Scoop Jackson on 1140 - Bobby Simmons to the Kings???

[CaminoChaos]

He was saying Kings may be intrested in Simmons. Your thoughts.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

That would be nice, but it would give the Kings a ton of shooting guards and it wouldn't make much sense if both Martin and Garcia were still around. From all indications it sounds as if the Kings are very very high on Martin and that he has made leaps and bounds in his progession in the off season. If this is true then they have to be penciling him at the starting 2 guard.

 

[Bricklayer]

He was saying Kings may be intrested in Simmons. Your thoughts.

Well yes! And obviously I think we would. But how would we ever get him? I assume he is looking for more than the exception. And if we did, what would we do with him? Start him alongside Peja over the kids? Trade Peja? Have another big contract guy off the bench?

Can you sign and trade players for each other? If you could would the Clips really be dumb enough to go for a Mobley/Simmons swap?

Don't know (as the number of ?s above should make obvious) -- his athleticism and youth would be obvious helps to us, but until this report I would have imagined that he was just out of our range and not even a consideration.

 

[D-Mass]

Well yes! And obviously I think we would. But how would we ever get him? I assume he is looking for more than the exception. And if we did, what would we do with him? Start him alongside Peja over the kids? Trade Peja? Have another big contract guy off the bench?

Can you sign and trade players for each other? If you could would the Clips really be dumb enough to go for a Mobley/Simmons swap?

Don't know (as the number of ?s above should make obvious) -- his athleticism and youth would be obvious helps to us, but until this report I would have imagined that he was just out of our range and not even a consideration.

Apparently the Clips at least have interest (but they also want to re-sign Simmons):

"As the Clippers try to fill the holes in their roster, they are particularly interested in acquiring a shooting guard. While they are not in the running to land one of the top marquee free agents, they still are in pursuit the Washington Wizards' Larry Hughes and Sacramento Kings' Cuttino Mobley. The Clippers also are trying to re-sign Bobby Simmons, an unrestricted free agent, and Marko Jaric, a restricted free agent. They have the right to match any offer that Jaric receives, and his agent, Bill Duffy, has reportedly had talks with the Denver Nuggets.[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"[/font]

 

[LA King Fan II]

Simmons would be swell, but it would seem to take more than a miracle to get him for Mobley. On the other hand, I have always felt Bobby Jackson would be great for the Clippers, especially if they are going to lose Jaric.

Maybe they would want him? A good mentor for Livingston, too.

 

[Bricklayer]

I love the way they call Redd and Allen marquee free agents over Hughes. Uh..hello! Hughes may have passed both of them up last year, and certainly Redd.

Anyway, we had heard the reports about the Clips being interested in Cat, which seemed odd given Maggette and Simmons. Now a report that we are interested in Simmons. Not sure how to take all that.

 

[bigbadred00]

I love Hughes, I'd love him on the Kings, but honestly I'd rather have Allen although his age will soon be a big dampening effect on his success. Hughes had what you call a career year before a contract year. Something I'm definitely suspicious of. He's played well, he played well in the Princeton O and he plays D, these are 2 qualities we definitely need, too bad his price is probally out of our league.

 

[G_M]

The Clips

STOP!-Suspend disbelief-look at their draft-move forward!

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Just a thought, but perhaps the Kings have been hyping up Martin this offseason to help bolster his trade value. Honestly, why would the Kings show any interest in Simmons if they intended on keeping both Garcia and Martin as well as looking to resign Mo? However, getting Simmons and then packaging Martin in a deal would make more sense. However, I have no idea what to make of these so-called reports, but it's always amusing to speculate.

 

[funkykingston]

I can't see the Kings dealing Martin this offseason unless as a throw-in to a larger deal. The team HAS said some good things about him, but I wouldn't say they've really gone all out hyping him up. And even if they did, his trade value still is very low at this point.

IMO he's worth more to the Kings right now than they could hope to get in trade. As for Simmons, I don't know why the Kings would be interested. I'm not convinced that they have any serious interest.

 

[AriesMar27]

the only clipper that i would want is jaric..... or maybe shaggy... i mean kaman.

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

scoop is a good writer for slam and hoop but who could he have heard this from? I doubt hes sure of it

 

[Gary]

the only clipper that i would want is jaric..... or maybe shaggy... i mean kaman.

You wouldn't want Brand?

 

[iheartBrad]

Interesting...he'd obviously be a great pick up but like mentioned the Clips are looking to resign

 

[sloter]

Uh..hello! Hughes may have passed both of them up last year, and certainly Redd.

Uh... yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree that Hughes is a better player than Ray Allen.

 

[Bricklayer]

Uh... yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree that Hughes is a better player than Ray Allen.

I certainly wouldn't have made that argument before this year, and am not going to jump up and down for it even now -- Allen proved a lot to me with his performaces against us in the playoffs. Still not a superstar, but played like one for a series at least.

Nonetheless:

Allen:
39.3min 23.9pts (.428 FG% .376 3pt% .883 FT%) 4.4rebs 3.7ast 1.1stl 0.1blk 2.2TO
Hughes:
38.7min 22.0pts (.430 FG% .282 3pt% .777 FT%) 6.3rebs 4.7ast 2.9stl 0.3blk 2.5TO and First Team All-Defense


Makes a pretty good argument if Hughes can sustain. Still think Allen is the better leader/primary weapon, but Hughes has versatility and did it at a very high level both ways last year.

 

[Fillmoe]

sign simmons and trade peja.... i would love to see that happen.....

 

[AriesMar27]

You wouldn't want Brand?

depends on how we get him.... trading kenny and corliss then hell yeah.... but jaric and simmons are f.a. i just said kaman to make a shaggy joke....

 

[ForlornKing]

hmm. I'm new to this whole trade proposal thing so don't bash me.

Kings send
S&T Mobley
Peja

Kings Recieve
Elton Brand and Filler.

Kings virtually trade Peja for Brand, and add Mobley,which is not a really big loss at all, which the Clippers have expressed intrest in.

I have no idea how the saleries match.

 

[sloter]

Allen:
39.3min 23.9pts (.428 FG% .376 3pt% .883 FT%) 4.4rebs 3.7ast 1.1stl 0.1blk 2.2TO
Hughes:
38.7min 22.0pts (.430 FG% .282 3pt% .777 FT%) 6.3rebs 4.7ast 2.9stl 0.3blk 2.5TO and First Team All-Defense


Makes a pretty good argument if Hughes can sustain. Still think Allen is the better leader/primary weapon, but Hughes has versatility and did it at a very high level both ways last year.

Yeah ... but those stats are coming in the east...

 

[Yoda]

I thought Chad Ford has some interesting incites (rare as it may be) on the current debate.

July Archive

Where's the love for Larry?
With Ray Allen set to re-sign in Seattle and Michael Redd choosing between Milwaukee and Cleveland, that leaves three teams -- the Clippers, Hawks and either the Cavs or the Bucks -- still shopping for a shooting guard.

Of the remaining shooting guards, Joe Johnson is atop many teams' lists because of his 3-point shooting and age, but those teams know the odds are strong the Suns will match any reasonable offer to Johnson, who is a restricted free agent.

That leaves Larry Hughes, a guy who, on 2004-05 performance alone, should've been on top of the free-agent list coming into the summer. Hughes, statistically, was the best of the five top free-agent swingmen available.

While Redd and Allen averaged more points per game -- and Redd, Allen, Johnson and Bobby Simmons all shot a higher percentage from 3-point range -- Hughes is superior in every other category.

Hughes led shooting guards in boards with 6.3 per game, assists with 4.7 per game and steals (by far) with 2.9 per game.

The numbers get even better for Hughes when you switch to more sophisticated statistical analysis. This season, among those five players, Hughes led the way with a 22.06 PER (Player Efficiency Rating, a composite statistic developed by ESPN.com's John Hollinger). Allen was the only other player to crack 20 (21.38). Redd finished a distant third at 18.73, while Johnson and Simmons posted just average numbers.

And four of the five are between the ages of 24 and 26 (Allen turns 30 later this month).

So why isn't Hughes getting more love?

First, he came out of nowhere this year. After years of so-so production, Hughes exploded. Players rarely do that at his age, and many teams are worried that it was an anomaly or he was playing for a contract. His best numbers before that were 18.1 ppg (2004), 5.9 rpg (2000), 4.5 apg (2001) and 1.9 spg (2001). Those are all impressive numbers, but Hughes had not put them together in a single season. Of course, the same could be said of Johnson and Simmons, both of whom also had career years last season.

Second, he couldn't repeat his regular-season performance in the playoffs against Miami. While his averages weren't awful (18 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.7 apg), his shooting (33 percent from the field, 25 percent on 3s) was. If a general manager's last vision of Hughes was watching him get dominated by Dwyane Wade in the playoffs, that might cause the GM to grip his checkbook a little tighter.

Third, most of the teams that are looking for two guards are looking for a shooter. Allen, Johnson, Redd and Simmons are all great shooters. Hughes isn't. He might be more versatile and a better defender, but he barely makes enough 3s to keep defenders honest. On some teams, that might not be an issue. But on the Cavs, Clippers and Hawks, it's a huge one given their current personnel.

Finally, the common perception is that Hughes is a lock to go back to Washington. In fact, in phone conversations, several teams have referred to him incorrectly as a restricted free agent. He isn't.

The Wizards have not made a major offer, according to a source close to the negotiation, and Hughes is playing the market. The Wizards can offer more to Hughes in the form of higher raises and an extra contract year that could total $20 million more than their competitors. Hughes, though, like Redd, is testing the waters to see if there might be a better fit. If he were to find one, he could leave without the Wizards being able to do anything about it.

Now that Allen is off the table, it will be interesting to see what happens. The Wizards are taking a wait-and-see approach -- a dangerous tactic with an unrestricted free agent. If a team like the Clippers or Cavaliers offers him big money, he could just bolt, leaving Washington with nothing.

 

[JB_kings]

hmm. I'm new to this whole trade proposal thing so don't bash me.

Kings send
S&T Mobley
Peja

Kings Recieve
Elton Brand and Filler.

Kings virtually trade Peja for Brand, and add Mobley,which is not a really big loss at all, which the Clippers have expressed intrest in.

I have no idea how the saleries match.

Get greedy: try Peja, Miller & Mobley for KG and Trenton Hassel. Then go to work signing Evans and Songaila.

 

[SacTownKid]

I certainly wouldn't have made that argument before this year, and am not going to jump up and down for it even now -- Allen proved a lot to me with his performaces against us in the playoffs. Still not a superstar, but played like one for a series at least.

Nonetheless:

Allen:
39.3min 23.9pts (.428 FG% .376 3pt% .883 FT%) 4.4rebs 3.7ast 1.1stl 0.1blk 2.2TO
Hughes:
38.7min 22.0pts (.430 FG% .282 3pt% .777 FT%) 6.3rebs 4.7ast 2.9stl 0.3blk 2.5TO and First Team All-Defense


Makes a pretty good argument if Hughes can sustain. Still think Allen is the better leader/primary weapon, but Hughes has versatility and did it at a very high level both ways last year.

Hughes is a good player but Ray Allen can take over a game, Larry Hughes can not.

 

[thesanityannex]

with all the rumors of sg's flying around, i feel either martin or garcia is on their way out. i'm assuming this only if mo evans is resigned, which should be first priority. i am at clippers games all season and love simmons game. i would love to see him as a king.

 

[funkykingston]

Well, Garcia can't be traded for three months now, so he'll be on the roster at least into October. It wouldn't make much sense to trade Martin now since he has virtually no trade value around the league.

Simmons would eat up the entire MLE which I would rather see used on a PF or C.

 

[BigSong]

with all the rumors of sg's flying around, i feel either martin or garcia is on their way out. i'm assuming this only if mo evans is resigned, which should be first priority. i am at clippers games all season and love simmons game. i would love to see him as a king.

why is everyone hyped for evans. he showed good signs early on in the season, but after this season there's not much to be impressed with. he's got poor ball handling skills, hes a so-so passer, hes shot is inconsistent, and has almost zero court awareness. he's good for alley oops...yay. His defense is ok but at 26 he isn't going to become significantly better in any other areas, and even if he does he'll be getting old. If he takes the offer sheet fine, if not bye bye mo'.

 

[Bricklayer]

So here is the interesting question:


would you rather have this player for $6mil a year (or whatever the exception is):

37.3min 16.4pts (.466 FG% .435 3pt% .846 FT%) 5.9rebs 2.7ast 1.4stl 0.2blk 1.8TO

or this one for $15mil a year:

38.4min 20.1pts (.444 FG% .402 3pt% .920 FT%) 4.3rebs 2.1ast 1.2stl 0.2blk 1.6TO

 

[whozit]

Or is all smoke and mirrors? With Redd and Allen gone, Clevland may look at Hughes or Simmons. Is it possible that the Kings may actually be looking at a S&T with Mobley for Jaric? It would give the Kings the backup defensive PG they need and one that the Clippers are possibly set to lose for nothing anyways. It would give the Clippers a SG since they may very well be set also to lose Simmons for nothing also. Win-win for both teams with more moves to be made.

 

[funkykingston]

why is everyone hyped for evans

I'm not ga-ga over Mo, but since he's a restricted free agent, I believe he and Darius could be re-signed without affecting the cap and, provided the Maloofs are willing to spend, that means the Kings would still have the MLE.

Brick, I wouldn't mind signing Simmons for the MLE and trading Peja, but it would have to bring back and impact big or a big time stud wing to be worth it. Pierce would be nice. Chandler and change? Sure. But as little star power as Peja has, Simmons brings even less. He is a great role player, but this team needs studs.

 

[Bricklayer]

But as little star power as Peja has, Simmons brings even less. He is a great role player, but this team needs studs.

No argument there. Take money out of the equation and I don't even raise the question. Unfortunately money is rapidly becoming part of the equation with Peja. Just raising the possibility of a guy like Simmons, or Rahim for that matter, as reasonable saves if we appropriately do not want to dish out max money to Peja in the wake of the Allen and Redd signings. 90% of the production, half the money.