SAR Fails Physical

[whozit]

I'm going to killed for this proposal, but what the heck.

Let's spare NJ the ugliness of "failing" SARs physical due to cold feet. Why not just send Skinner and a 1st to NJ and in return we will just take their new "problem" child along with Kristic in return? In rough numbers (those reported on Hoopshype) it appears to be within the rules. On their part it would be Skinner for Kristic, with them getting the choice of the better 1st. The would take a lesser player to avoid getting stuck with a player who doesn't want to come. On the Kings part, they would get two for one.






Disclaimer: Not a chance in Heck, but what harm does it do in asking?

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Hmm, i dont know, we are at a deadlock here, no decent PF's left in the FA Market, i dont see a PF being shopped around anywhere (Not counting that KG RUMOR) so why not and take the chance ?

 

[thesanityannex]

I would trade Darius for SAR in a heartbeat if the Nets deal falls through.

Defense is a bit overstated on this board....by the likes of V-21, Bricklayer, etc...(who make their share of fair points and respect them even though I say they are often off base).

It could be argued (granted hypothetically) the Suns failed against the Spurs b/c they lost JJ....not b/c Spurs were so superior on the defense. The Suns had the Spurs on their heals before JJ went down. The Spurs did not rise to status of NBA Champions again until they became a much more dynamic offensive team with Manu and Parker. And the Spurs beat the Pistons b/c they were the better offensive team.

The Kings did not get eliminated by the Lakers in 2002 for lack of defense. They choked away key offensive possessions, and missed free throws. Besides a defensive spark here and there by B-Jax Hedo or D.C., a little muscle by Pollard or quick hands of C-Webb (pre-injury) that team was no defensive juggernaut.

The point is if you put together a real potent offensive team (Wells Bibby Peja Miller SAR would be a handful to keep under 110 points a night) you compensate for what you lack, and you put as much pressure as you can on your opponent to keep up. The rules of the league have changed too to help the offense. I think the philosophy of Petrie and Adleman is until the second coming of Hakeem Olajuwon comes along, the best chance to win and advance deep in the playoffs is to run up the scoreboard. Put shooters and passers at every position, and put the onus on the 9/10 player core to come together and make stops.

Besides if you can score 115 points a night, you only have to hold your opponent to 114

Yup. Defense is overrated Just make sure your ball goes in the hoop more times then the other team.

 

[sloter]

defense is not overrated, it's just overrated on this board since the Kings are among the worst in the league in almost every aspect of it...

 

[hrdboild]

I'm starting to agree with Bricklayer on this one. Defense starts with your interior presence. We need somebody big and strong in there playing a lot of minutes. With SAR it's almost a guarantee that will not happen. The only reason I would consider getting SAR is that it adds to the attractive assets we could possibly move next year for a star player and still keep a core guy. I don't know if Petrie and co. would see it that way though.

 

[wow22]

I don't think people realize that we can sign both Darius and SAR.

1.Darius we have early bird rights, and we can sign up to average player salary, which happens to be midlevel exception (wonder why huh)
2. SAR we can sign using the midlevel exception

no trades needed.

 

[piksi]

defense is not overrated, it's just overrated on this board since the Kings are among the worst in the league in almost every aspect of it...

Most people don't know what it is because they have never seen it before

 

[Kings113]

I'm convinced that for this team to win, we need to get much better defense off the bench. The 03 squad had a lot of energy and defensive intensity off the bench, and those bench minutes can mean holding an opponent to maybe 3-6 less points, which on any given night can be the difference in the game. Hart/Price are (supposedly) defensive upgrades, Skinner may provide some help on D, and if we can lengthen the bench to get some solid stoppers on there that could make the difference between a soft shoot-first team and a high scoring team that can get down and work hard on defensive when it needs to, which is also the difference between playoffs and contention. So I'd welcome SAR, so long as we continue to address D elsewhere.

I'd be alright with that. Still stronger on my other posts though.

Hmm, i dont know, we are at a deadlock here, no decent PF's left in the FA Market, i dont see a PF being shopped around anywhere (Not counting that KG RUMOR) so why not and take the chance ?

Eddie Griffin and Reggie Evans I think are more than decent. Griffin hasn't signed with the Wolves yet, and that same "agreement" that was reported 2 days ago (same for the one 2 weeks ago, except on the ESPN website, but nothing was made of it), still, hasn't been reported on RealGM, ESPN anywhere, tickers.

Not like we don't have pieces that can get them, nor out of our reach.

 

[Jkbiker]

I don't think people realize that we can sign both Darius and SAR.

1.Darius we have early bird rights, and we can sign up to average player salary, which happens to be midlevel exception (wonder why huh)
2. SAR we can sign using the midlevel exception

no trades needed.

Yes we could sign both under the above
But I dont think GP would sign both

In several press conf/articles about the Kings re-signing Darius
It has been mentioned by GP that the kings want Darius back
but it would depend on "budgetary restraints" as to whether the
Kings offer a good size or match an offer.

Based upon what has been said if the Kings did use the MLE on SAR
We would then have 2 high paid PF, I dont think big money would be spent
on darius as a 3rd option PF. Any additional Bigs I would think come through min contracts in training camp or Vet min offers.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

I'd be alright with that. Still stronger on my other posts though.



Eddie Griffin and Reggie Evans I think are more than decent. Griffin hasn't signed with the Wolves yet, and that same "agreement" that was reported 2 days ago (same for the one 2 weeks ago, except on the ESPN website, but nothing was made of it), still, hasn't been reported on RealGM, ESPN anywhere, tickers.

Not like we don't have pieces that can get them, nor out of our reach.

Hmm i dont know if we can take either of these twos, since Griffin has agreed i doubt he goes any where else, and with the Sonics losing some players, they can match offers put out by other teams, infact they are waiting for someone to offer Evans a contract so they can match it and sign him u;.

 

[wow22]

Yes we could sign both under the above
But I dont think GP would sign both

In several press conf/articles about the Kings re-signing Darius
It has been mentioned by GP that the kings want Darius back
but it would depend on "budgetary restraints" as to whether the
Kings offer a good size or match an offer.

Based upon what has been said if the Kings did use the MLE on SAR
We would then have 2 high paid PF, I dont think big money would be spent
on darius as a 3rd option PF. Any additional Bigs I would think come through min contracts in training camp or Vet min offers.

Yes but I do not think Kings have "trade" pieces as a lot of people talk about in the big man range. All Webber trade pieces would be impossible to trade without sacrificing quality, and as it stands now both Darius and SAR would be such pieces. The move would also allow Miller to move to center, and Thomas to Small Forward.
Miller/Skinner at C
SAR/Darius at PF
Peja/Kenny/Corliss at SF

I think it's a possibility

 

[captain bill]

Griffin and Evans, IMO, are not upgrades over Thomas. They are better rebounders and probably play a little better defense, but they have little or no offensive skills, so I would prefer KT over both of them. We may need good defense, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the offensive side of the ball for a small increase of d and rebounding.

 

[Kings113]

I don't think it'd be small. I think it'd be quite a nice increase in rebounding and other things that people think are little, but make differences. With Griffin, there'd be an increase in rebounding (maybe not as much as Evans), but shot blocking and athleticism too. Not like Griffin can't score either. Evans could work on his offense with the staff, and should be over the summer anyways. Plus he brings the hustle, toughness, and dirty play as he has established.

Rumors of Minnesota wanting Reggie is just ridiculous, they already have a whole horde of big men, plus 1 or 2 free-agent big men that could be brought back. Same can be said for Griffin, to a good lesser degree though.

I'd take either Evans or Griffin over SAR in an absolute flash. They bring what the Kings are lacking too.

Hmm i dont know if we can take either of these twos, since Griffin has agreed i doubt he goes any where else, and with the Sonics losing some players, they can match offers put out by other teams, infact they are waiting for someone to offer Evans a contract so they can match it and sign him u;.

Well, they certainly aren't out of reach. Maybe Evans is as far as signing him goes, but Griffin is not. The agreeement that was reported by another Minny paper hasn't been anywhere else but there (the one 2 weeks ago was even worse). The agreement does not mean he is locked up for the Wolves. Especially in this case. Also, there are always trades, and we definitely have the pieces to get either one if we wanted to.

 

[captain bill]

Why would you take Evans or Griffin over SAR? The guys rebound, and that is about it. SAR is a legit 20/10 guy, even throw in a nice amount of assists. He is as good a rebounder as the other two. His defense may not be the best, but Evans of Griffin are not elite defenders either and will not make this team a good defensive one. No, that does not mean that we should ignore defense, but given the choice between a talented multitool player who can score, rebound, play some d and integrate into our offense and a one dimensional player who can rebound and do nothing else, please forgive me for taking SAR. This obsession with defense and toughness over all else is getting absolutely absurd. Sometimes I think people here would take Griffin, Evans or Jerome James over Peja. I realize we need toughness, rebounding and defense, but to the lengths people on this board would go to get it is just absurd.

 

[Kings113]

I'm just stating what the Kings could use, and are lacking. Not like we'd go to great lengths to get either, as we wouldn't. I don't think it's obsession, for most people anyways, where with one starting position is the biggest focus now (along with the bench on the side) and probably weakness. It wouldn't hurt our already proven and guranteed scoring on the roster at all to get someone like Evans or Griffin. Who indeed bring what we need. I've already stated many times on this board why I'd take Evans/Griffin over SAR/Walker (when he was still on the market).

Jerome James? Where did he come along in all of this? He's completely irrelevant and an unproven joke (well, at least until next season, ec is different). One fluke series against a Kings team with a few big issues doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

Peja is also irrelevant because he is likely to stay, and if he isn't we'd get a good replacement for him. Back-up SF is the concern there, which will be taken care of as the days go on.

I'd think the above two player mentions from you are part of a joke/exaggeration anways.

This whole SAR/Nets issue is pretty weak as far as the problem goes, and seems like it can be simply resolved. Just happened, and the Nets haven't had their says yet, which will ultimately decide whether SAR is a Net or not.

 

[ParniValjak]

as far as SAR, if the kings can get him on the cheap, maybe 4-5 years, $20mil, then i would take him... and $20mil over say 4-5 years is what webb would had made in 1 year, so the risk is not as great....

as far as the scar tissue is concerned, any knee that has had surgery will have scar tissue... and looking at his never missing a game due to the knee in 8 years, that should tell you it is not a problem... i think this is more an issue of new jersey getting cold feet on a $36mil deal... as far as becoming an arthritic knee, i think that will be more of an issue when he gets much older, not so much for the next 4-5 years...

look what is left on the unrestricted FA market... steven hunter, tractor traylor, dale davis... even eddie griffin is apparently off the market to minni... not much left folks... and this would not neccessarily preclude the kings from making another trade, it might actually enhance the chances, because they will have more depth to work with...

this guy has been an all star and avg. 20pts/9-10reb/1 blk/ 1 steal per game, before he arrived in the abyss called portland... I SAY GIVE REF A CHANCE!!!

Well said.

I can't believe that simple thing like a scar tissue has caused SO much controversy. For goodness sake, anyone that has had some sort of operation would have a scar tissue. If it was that much os a concern then Australian Rules players would be in a wheel chair by the time they are in their mid 20s and basketball is like an under 8 ping pong compared to Aussie rules.

This scar tissue is not a problem and speaking with some knowledge on the matter, its not a career threatening thing at all. The knee might be arthritic down the track but thats more likely to be in his 40s and 50s than it is during his basketball career.

I would be pretty happy if we could get SAR for the MLE. While he is no Tyson Chandler or a defensive beast, he still is a very good player and a talented one at that.

 

[ParniValjak]

Eddie Griffin isn't off the market. His "agreeing to a deal", doesn't mean he is signed, and I haven't seen the agreement, nor him being signed (because he hasn't) reported on RealGM, tickers, ESPN tv/website, nor any Griffin stuff on NBA.com. It also was once again only reported by a Minny paper (like the Griffin thing a couple weeks ago).

I think now, even though SAR/Nets aren't really near dimissed ways, SAR could be a decent candiate for the Kings PF. Even if he isn't the player the Kings need, but with the free-agent market of PFs quite thin now (Evans/Griffin/O. Harrington), who knows.

Ultimately though, I think we'll get a PF through a trade, or sign up Griffin (subject for a trade if he does sign with Minny too) or Reggie Evans from free-agency.

We will NOT sign Griffin and we will NOT go after Evans. They are SO over-rated its not funny. Evans is an average player and Griffin is a head case that will NEVER get it together.

Petrie is good at what he does because he doesn't take a lot of risks and when he does take them they are calculated risks that minimise the damage caused if they don't pay off.

 

[Kings113]

We will NOT sign Griffin and we will NOT go after Evans. They are SO over-rated its not funny. Evans is an average player and Griffin is a head case that will NEVER get it together.

Petrie is good at what he does because he doesn't take a lot of risks and when he does take them they are calculated risks that minimise the damage caused if they don't pay off.

Okay, that's all you (Griffin being a headcase is exaggerated though).

I agree with the SAR/Nets issue and wanting Chandler though.

 

[nbrans]

For the same reson that in nearly every single post on the subject you absolutely ignore the FACT that a soft PF will never win anything, in particular on an already soft team. And of course not surprisingly SAR never HAS won anything. Mark Cuban is WRONG in his 12 name players is better than 5 approach. And gets proven wrong again every year. For us, SAR is the wrong player at the wrong time for the wrong team.

Quite frankly I think you are dazzled by the numbers in fantasy ball fashion. But you're looking at the wrong numbers, and totally ignoring the needs of this team. There is only one thing that SAR brings which this team could use, and that is some post ability. But even there, he is a better post player against SFs than he is against PFs. And meanwhile is outmuscled, outtoughed, and outhustled by almost every PF he meets. A good talent, but nearly worthless to a serious team as a starter. When the Wallace boys and Duncan are going to war next June, SAR will be off hiding in the bathroom somewhere.

And the second part of course is that I do not trust Geoff, or Rick for that matter, to see beyond his ability to score. If I believed that they would actually sign him to a cheap contract and bring him off the bench as a SF/PF 6th man -- like Walker, his best potential role on an elite team (what San Antonio had in mind for him in fact) -- then fine. Be a nice talent off your bench, albeit there would still be the reeking softness problem rising off the whole team. But I don't trust them to do that. Nor do I think he would willingly sign with us in such a role. No, if he comes, he comes as a starting PF. Which is garbage to us. Four of our five big minute starters would be softies who don't defend, rebound, hustle, bang, or like to get physical. We have SAR's talent (scoring) in spades. And he would just be in the way of us picking up someone not afraid to break a nail to actually COMPLEMENT our numerous soft shooters with hustle and heart rather than duplicate their strengths and weaknesses.

We should have a mantra:

Soft big men do NOT win championships....
Soft big men do NOT win championships....
Soft teams...

You get the idea.

Brick, I'm sorry, I respect your opinion 100% and think you're a brilliant mind, but I think you have some blinders on. All this talk about championships and toughness and defense and Mark Cuban ignores one central fact: Shareef Abdur-Rahim is the best power forward available. You may not like it, I may not like it, everyone on this board may not like it, but this readily available mythical tough interior big man that will make the Kings a championship team DOES NOT EXIST. So while you're holding out for a phantom, I'd like to see the Kings to get better.

Shareef Abdur-Rahim has not shown himself to be a winner by himself. I think that's plain to see. But neither is another big man you're so fond of: Elton Brand. Elton Brand is a career loser, although you and I and everyone else loves him for his toughness, defense and rebounding. The fact that the Timberwolves didn't make the playoffs with one of the top three players in the league shows that no one player will guarantee that your team will be a winner. So would I build a team around Shareef Abdur-Rahim? No, I wouldn't. But guess what, on the Kings Abdur-Rahim would be FOURTH BANANA, arguably fifth. And I really, really like him as a fourth or fifth banana.

Abdur-Rahim would also be the closest PF available that could return the Kings to the unselfish ball-movement offensive team that was so dazzling to watch when Webber and Divac were facilitating the offense. There aren't very many big man that can pass, and Abdur-Rahim is one of them. He would be a great fit with the Kings. He would make Peja and Bibby better. He could play the high-low with Brad Miller. He can hit the mid-range and he can score down low.

Of course I'd love it if he could play better defense. But no available big man is good enough on defense that it means the Kings should pass over Shareef Abdur-Rahim's offensive talents. And all of this overlooks the fact that he's not even a bad defender, just not a good one. He's a major upgrade defensively over post-knee injury Webber.

I love a good defensive team as much as the next guy, but you just don't pass up a former All-Star and a 20/10 guy on principle alone.

 

[Kings113]

Brick's good guy.

I'd hope that people aren't getting their hopes up about reeling SAR back in to Sac because of this happening today. It should be resolved fine by the Nets, also considering how much they wanted him and talked about him like every day.

 

[ParniValjak]

I'm convinced that for this team to win, we need to get much better defense off the bench. The 03 squad had a lot of energy and defensive intensity off the bench, and those bench minutes can mean holding an opponent to maybe 3-6 less points, which on any given night can be the difference in the game. Hart/Price are (supposedly) defensive upgrades, Skinner may provide some help on D, and if we can lengthen the bench to get some solid stoppers on there that could make the difference between a soft shoot-first team and a high scoring team that can get down and work hard on defensive when it needs to, which is also the difference between playoffs and contention. So I'd welcome SAR, so long as we continue to address D elsewhere.

Couldn't agree more

 

[ParniValjak]

I'm going to killed for this proposal, but what the heck.

Let's spare NJ the ugliness of "failing" SARs physical due to cold feet. Why not just send Skinner and a 1st to NJ and in return we will just take their new "problem" child along with Kristic in return? In rough numbers (those reported on Hoopshype) it appears to be within the rules. On their part it would be Skinner for Kristic, with them getting the choice of the better 1st. The would take a lesser player to avoid getting stuck with a player who doesn't want to come. On the Kings part, they would get two for one.






Disclaimer: Not a chance in Heck, but what harm does it do in asking?

Nets aren't letting Krle go. They are absolutely in love with him and he is a very good young C who will be an all-star down the track.

 

[ParniValjak]

Brick, I'm sorry, I respect your opinion 100% and think you're a brilliant mind, but I think you have some blinders on. All this talk about championships and toughness and defense and Mark Cuban ignores one central fact: Shareef Abdur-Rahim is the best power forward available. You may not like it, I may not like it, everyone on this board may not like it, but this readily available mythical tough interior big man that will make the Kings a championship team DOES NOT EXIST. So while you're holding out for a phantom, I'd like to see the Kings to get better.

Shareef Abdur-Rahim has not shown himself to be a winner by himself. I think that's plain to see. But neither is another big man you're so fond of: Elton Brand. Elton Brand is a career loser, although you and I and everyone else loves him for his toughness, defense and rebounding. The fact that the Timberwolves didn't make the playoffs with one of the top three players in the league shows that no one player will guarantee that your team will be a winner. So would I build a team around Shareef Abdur-Rahim? No, I wouldn't. But guess what, on the Kings Abdur-Rahim would be FOURTH BANANA, arguably fifth. And I really, really like him as a fourth or fifth banana.

Abdur-Rahim would also be the closest PF available that could return the Kings to the unselfish ball-movement offensive team that was so dazzling to watch when Webber and Divac were facilitating the offense. There aren't very many big man that can pass, and Abdur-Rahim is one of them. He would be a great fit with the Kings. He would make Peja and Bibby better. He could play the high-low with Brad Miller. He can hit the mid-range and he can score down low.

Of course I'd love it if he could play better defense. But no available big man is good enough on defense that it means the Kings should pass over Shareef Abdur-Rahim's offensive talents. And all of this overlooks the fact that he's not even a bad defender, just not a good one. He's a major upgrade defensively over post-knee injury Webber.

I love a good defensive team as much as the next guy, but you just don't pass up a former All-Star and a 20/10 guy on principle alone.

Well said

There is no "I" in a team and last time I checked basketball was a team game. In order to win a championship you need a great team, not a great player surrounded by scrub.

While SAR is not a defensive beast we desperately need, he is THE best PF that is available. We have bled talent so much over the years we need to stock up on it when we get a chance. While SAR is not a perfect fit, he is by far the BEST fit that is AVAILABLE.

 

[BigWaxer]

Well he is the best FA PF available. There are still trades that could be made for better. We may have to toss in one of our "core" but if its worth it. Trade on!

 

[captain bill]

I'm just stating what the Kings could use, and are lacking. Not like we'd go to great lengths to get either, as we wouldn't. I don't think it's obsession, for most people anyways, where with one starting position is the biggest focus now (along with the bench on the side) and probably weakness. It wouldn't hurt our already proven and guranteed scoring on the roster at all to get someone like Evans or Griffin. Who indeed bring what we need. I've already stated many times on this board why I'd take Evans/Griffin over SAR/Walker (when he was still on the market).

Jerome James? Where did he come along in all of this? He's completely irrelevant and an unproven joke (well, at least until next season, ec is different). One fluke series against a Kings team with a few big issues doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

Peja is also irrelevant because he is likely to stay, and if he isn't we'd get a good replacement for him. Back-up SF is the concern there, which will be taken care of as the days go on.

I'd think the above two player mentions from you are part of a joke/exaggeration anways.

This whole SAR/Nets issue is pretty weak as far as the problem goes, and seems like it can be simply resolved. Just happened, and the Nets haven't had their says yet, which will ultimately decide whether SAR is a Net or not.

Yeah, I was just saying that the way people are saying we need rebounds makes me think that some here may actually consider taking James over Peja because James could rebound and play better defense. And when it comes to, say, Evans vs Thomas, it's not like you go from no rebounding, no defense, to Ben Wallace. Thomas can rebound an play some D. He can also score and pass, getting some decent assists. He is not a prolific scorer, not a great rebounder, not a great defender, but he can get a lot of things done. Evans, on the other hand, is a pretty good rebounder. And that is all. I don't think Thomas is a starter on a championship team, but certainly I never want to see us get Evans or Griffin to replace him. A slight gain in rebounding (if any, considering these guys are unproven with big minutes) and some better defense, but at a huge cost to our offense. People whould also consider that we won't be a great offense by default, and the starting 4 doesn't score 100 automatically.

 

[captain bill]

Brick's good guy.

I'd hope that people aren't getting their hopes up about reeling SAR back in to Sac because of this happening today. It should be resolved fine by the Nets, also considering how much they wanted him and talked about him like every day.

I wouldn't bet on it. SAR saying "I don't want to be a Net" indicates that, well, he doesn't want to be a net. Being a FA, and having signed nothing, one would assume that he is not going to go crawling back to the Nets. At least not for cheap. The Kings would use SAR's skills very very well, and after hearing Bonzi's comments, I would also think that a lot of players, including SAR, would understand that and, should he be offered a chance to come here, would consider it very seriously. Just because the nets want him doesn't mean he's coming. I'm sure every team in the NBA really wants LBJ, KG or Duncan, but no amount of talking is gonna make them come.

 

[Kings113]

Yes of course, but the Nets haven't even had their says on this. Just SAR saying he is disappointed with the handling of it. Still early days, as this just happened today. But what I meant when "how much they wanted him", is that they actually were gonna be successful till this. Considering it's realistic too.

I still think our offense would be fine if we got Evans or Griffin. Petrie/Maloofs have even said the Kings won't have a problem with offense, Gavin just yesterday made a couple comments on this. Both haven't been given big minutes yet, Evans didn't because of how deep the Seattle bench was. Griffin because he backed up KG. I think with more minutes either could be really good for us. I also don't think Evans is just a "pretty good rebounder", he's easily a top 5 rebounder (not just by his total average, but how he is as a whole), his stats are crazy too. Especially with his minutes. Griffin's stats are quite good considering how many minutes he got too.

 

[AleksandarN]

I think what Brick is trying to say and what I think is true is that if we get SAR then that move will probably limit our search for a PF who can effectively address our weaknesses. Having SAR on our team might make the management and owners see no desire getting another PF who can help us seeing what we would be depth wise. Us not having a legimate starter at PF positions makes the organization more focused on getting one that help address our weaknesses. Having SAR here makes that less of a priority because we would have a legimate PF just not one who helps address our weaknesses.

 

[captain bill]

Yes of course, but the Nets haven't even had their says on this. Just SAR saying he is disappointed with the handling of it. Still early days, as this just happened today. But what I meant when "how much they wanted him", is that they actually were gonna be successful till this. Considering it's realistic too.

I still think our offense would be fine if we got Evans or Griffin. Petrie/Maloofs have even said the Kings won't have a problem with offense, Gavin just yesterday made a couple comments on this. Both haven't been given big minutes yet, Evans didn't because of how deep the Seattle bench was. Griffin because he backed up KG. I think with more minutes either could be really good for us. I also don't think Evans is just a "pretty good rebounder", he's easily a top 5 rebounder (not just by his total average, but how he is as a whole), his stats are crazy too. Especially with his minutes. Griffin's stats are quite good considering how many minutes he got too.

Right, I understand that the Nets really want to get SAR, but I still don't see how that has any connection to them actually getting him. Yeah, it's realistic, and they had him, and then messed it up and now SAR no longer wants to be a Net. He has final say, not the Nets. Doesn't make any sense that the Nets get him just because it's convenient and they want him.

I didn't say Evans or Griffin were on the bench because they were bad, I said you can't accurately gauge how good they are because they didn't play big minutes, didn't get worn down, and didn't have to bang with the big boys. You give these reasons for them being on the bench, like being behind KG, and then just assume because there is good reason for them being on the bench that they must be budding stars waiting to break out. That is absolutely terrible logic, the sort of logic that earns the Jerome Jameses of the world big contracts. These two are some of the most overrated players in the league, Griffin especially. Evans I believe is a good player, but he needs to stay on the bench.

And you are making a HUGE leap of faith in the comments that the Kings won't have a problem on offense. That means that they won't spend the offseason worrying about offense because we've got plenty of firepower as is. That does not mean that we can put a bunch of offensive scrubs on the court and expect them to put up big numbers. People are stuck in the past. This season will not be last season, or any other before it. We need to look at this team and see what we can do. We cannot plug Griffin in as our starting PF and still expect to be the explosive offensive team that we have been. We won't be stagnant, no, but it will take out a lot of our punch, esp because the PF is critical to our offense, and won't get us anywhere close to being a great rebounding or defensive team.

 

[whozit]

Nets aren't letting Krle go. They are absolutely in love with him and he is a very good young C who will be an all-star down the track.

You must not have read the fine print disclaimer. I agree that they wouldn't do it, it doesn't make sense.

What is possible is an exchange of a bad contract for a bad contract. If my figures are right, a SAR for Kenny Thomas would work. The Kings would have to throw a pick in to replace the one owed Portland. SAR's contract is longer, but the total cost is the near the same.

For the Kings, in the short term (this year), it would actually open a smidge of room below the tax limit. SAR at $4.9 million to Thomas at $6.1 million. That ~$1.2 million could actually be huge (same could hold true for NJ also).