Salary Dump with the Rockets

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Alright guys, another seemingly thought out way of dumping our bad contracts and gaining expirings. For those still seeking 2010 free agency, this will automatically put us in contention for it without us losing too much in return. This will also fortify the Rockets frontline while waiting for Yao to return. Of course with any salary dump deal involving the Rockets, it'll involve T-mac being shipped out. Especially now since of his recent complaining about his role in the organization and how he'll fit in. So down to the actual trade.

Outgoing Kings:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Beno Udrih
Spencer Hawes

Outgoing Rockets:
Tracy McGrady
Carl Landry

Projected lineup for the Kings:
Evans
McGrady
Casspi/Greene
Landry
Thompson

Projected lineup for the Rockets:
Brooks
Ariza
Battier/Nocioni
Scola
Hawes/Hayes

Why the Kings do this:
Strictly to dump our longest contracts while still giving them a good home. This will put us right back in the 2010 FA and frees up the logjam at the 3. We can also buyout T-macs contract if we don't see a right fit and could comeout ahead without paying so much. This also rids ourself of Hawes inconsistent play while bringing in a scrappy 6'9 PF willing to bang and grab some rebounds.
Why they don't:
Simply T-mac may be too much drama and will only bring his baggage here. Also, we lose all of our veteran presence and "scrappiness" that has been keeping us viable these last 6-7 games. Plus, there's no guarentees with FA and we could just as well end up with nothing but at least free up 2 of our 4 longest contracts with nothing in return.

Why the Rockets do this:
Goodbye Tmac. Just returning value from a dried out superstar on his last leg (and back). Tmac has already created a rift between him and his head coach about the surgery situation, and now he can't even find his way back onto the court. At the age of 30, he'll simply be on the decline. I can't remember the last season he played where he didn't end up with an injury thrown in there. This also gives them Nocioni who will be another hard-nosed scrappy player to play alongside countryman Scola. A legitimate backup to Brooks with Beno, and a nice young replacement for Yao until he returns. This also gives them the option of two 7'0 centers when he comes back.

Why the Rockets don't:
Too many long contracts that don't necessarily push them over the threshold. Also, better value may be out there for Tmac. Losing Landry will be tough, as he was one of the few scoring punches off their thin bench. Plus, this will leave them with 2 extra players on their roster that they'll need to trim. (Not a fortunate situation when I believe everyone on their roster is a guarenteed contract).

The only thing I did was throw in the Hawes and Landry part. They could be taken away from this mix and still make the trade work. I figured I could try to get the Rockets a little bit more value in return with us sacrificing some of our youth. Landry is still young at 26 and could still work with the rebuild if he wanted to stay with us. Even with Martin returning, a lineup of:
Evans
Martin
McGrady
Landry
Thompson
will be scary on paper. I know we'll miss the veteran leadership of Beno and Nocioni, but I remember someone mentioning about it being better to trade a year early then trade a year too late. Both of these players are playing well now. It'll be us selling high, as this is the best we'll be seeing of these two players. We may lose Hawes, but if he isn't going to be our center of the future, then there isn't a point of him coming off the bench again. I'm sure there's more positives and negatives to be fleshed out here, but I need to run. I honestly like what we have going on right now and don't mind keeping those long contracts. This is a trade for those seeking the complete step to the rebuild and prepping us for another high draft pick plus a lot of salary cap space to sign a max player this offseason.
 
The Kings can't give up the only true full sized center they have. It's just not going to happen folks. I highly doubt any trade is going to go down that includes Spencer unless in that trade they are bringing back another Full sized starting Center to leave them in the exact same type of line-up situation as the Kings have now, but leaving them with a center that is more talented in the organizations eyes.
 
I thought about a trade with the Rockets also but I was thinking more of getting YAO MING instead of Tmac.

Yao for Martin+Hawes.

I think that gives the Kings a chance to really contend for a championship.. assuming the young guys like Tyreke, JT, Casspi, Greene etc continues to develop the way they are expected.

Yao... now that he supposedly doesn't have national team duties anymore, should be fine. We saw how tough he's become during the playoffs. The man played with a broken foot all the way until the end of the game. He wouldn't leave even when Adelman asked him to sit because of the obvious pain.
 
I don't see why the Rockets do this, they value their cap space just as much as we do. If they were really so tired of Tmac they would just release him and still get the cap space they'd get at the end of the season.
 
Alright guys, another seemingly thought out way of dumping our bad contracts and gaining expirings. For those still seeking 2010 free agency, this will automatically put us in contention for it without us losing too much in return. This will also fortify the Rockets frontline while waiting for Yao to return. Of course with any salary dump deal involving the Rockets, it'll involve T-mac being shipped out. Especially now since of his recent complaining about his role in the organization and how he'll fit in. So down to the actual trade.

Outgoing Kings:
Kenny Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Beno Udrih
Spencer Hawes

Outgoing Rockets:
Tracy McGrady
Carl Landry

Projected lineup for the Kings:
Evans
McGrady
Casspi/Greene
Landry
Thompson

Projected lineup for the Rockets:
Brooks
Ariza
Battier/Nocioni
Scola
Hawes/Hayes

Why the Kings do this:
Strictly to dump our longest contracts while still giving them a good home. This will put us right back in the 2010 FA and frees up the logjam at the 3. We can also buyout T-macs contract if we don't see a right fit and could comeout ahead without paying so much. This also rids ourself of Hawes inconsistent play while bringing in a scrappy 6'9 PF willing to bang and grab some rebounds.
Why they don't:
Simply T-mac may be too much drama and will only bring his baggage here. Also, we lose all of our veteran presence and "scrappiness" that has been keeping us viable these last 6-7 games. Plus, there's no guarentees with FA and we could just as well end up with nothing but at least free up 2 of our 4 longest contracts with nothing in return.

Why the Rockets do this:
Goodbye Tmac. Just returning value from a dried out superstar on his last leg (and back). Tmac has already created a rift between him and his head coach about the surgery situation, and now he can't even find his way back onto the court. At the age of 30, he'll simply be on the decline. I can't remember the last season he played where he didn't end up with an injury thrown in there. This also gives them Nocioni who will be another hard-nosed scrappy player to play alongside countryman Scola. A legitimate backup to Brooks with Beno, and a nice young replacement for Yao until he returns. This also gives them the option of two 7'0 centers when he comes back.

Why the Rockets don't:
Too many long contracts that don't necessarily push them over the threshold. Also, better value may be out there for Tmac. Losing Landry will be tough, as he was one of the few scoring punches off their thin bench. Plus, this will leave them with 2 extra players on their roster that they'll need to trim. (Not a fortunate situation when I believe everyone on their roster is a guarenteed contract).

The only thing I did was throw in the Hawes and Landry part. They could be taken away from this mix and still make the trade work. I figured I could try to get the Rockets a little bit more value in return with us sacrificing some of our youth. Landry is still young at 26 and could still work with the rebuild if he wanted to stay with us. Even with Martin returning, a lineup of:
Evans
Martin
McGrady
Landry
Thompson
will be scary on paper. I know we'll miss the veteran leadership of Beno and Nocioni, but I remember someone mentioning about it being better to trade a year early then trade a year too late. Both of these players are playing well now. It'll be us selling high, as this is the best we'll be seeing of these two players. We may lose Hawes, but if he isn't going to be our center of the future, then there isn't a point of him coming off the bench again. I'm sure there's more positives and negatives to be fleshed out here, but I need to run. I honestly like what we have going on right now and don't mind keeping those long contracts. This is a trade for those seeking the complete step to the rebuild and prepping us for another high draft pick plus a lot of salary cap space to sign a max player this offseason.

You didn't include martin in your post-trade lineup, BTW. But bad trade overall. I want more than Landry and an old expiring sour apple for Noc and Spence.

This would set our team backward.
 
Yao... now that he supposedly doesn't have national team duties anymore, should be fine. We saw how tough he's become during the playoffs. The man played with a broken foot all the way until the end of the game. He wouldn't leave even when Adelman asked him to sit because of the obvious pain.


According to the doctors I talked to, there's a 50/50 chance that Yao Ming's career is over. He may still be worth the risk though, but I have to think about this.
 
McGrady? :rolleyes:

Puuuuhhhlease... He is a loser wherever he goes, and now he's a loser with no hops.. No thanks.
 
According to the doctors I talked to, there's a 50/50 chance that Yao Ming's career is over. He may still be worth the risk though, but I have to think about this.

After the Ralph Sampson fiasco I think I will pass on this.
 
I don't have any interest in McGrady but Yao Ming sounds intriguing. Big risk in terms of injury obviously but the Kings could conceivably really contend two-three years from now if he would stay healthy.
 
NO frikin way. Other than the fact that Tmac is washed up and can't play anymore, why would we want another big time SG? That is the main piece we're going after right? Landry certainly isn't worth our expiring contract and our only center. So why would we want to add another swingman who demands even more time and more shots that Noc, while giving away our only real center
 
McGrady? :rolleyes:

Puuuuhhhlease... He is a loser wherever he goes, and now he's a loser with no hops.. No thanks.

When did "losers" suddenly become too good for one of the worst teams in the league? I think McGrady still has enough left in the tank, and he is clearly better than a considerable amount of the "winners" on our team.
 
You didn't include martin in your post-trade lineup, BTW. But bad trade overall. I want more than Landry and an old expiring sour apple for Noc and Spence.

This would set our team backward.


I agree, now if we were to get battier or hayes in the deal also I might consider it. Either player would provide better defense than what we have now and before it is all said and done, we are going to have to get much better on the defensive end in the next 1-3 years to realy get to the championship level
 
Hawes, Udrih, and Nocioni are very valuable players to us... Hawes has been showing life again and I still contest that he can be a 16-18 ppg 8-10 rebound player. Nocioni's shooting has been huge when it comes to our wins, as well as his hustle. And Udrih's resurgence are probably the second biggest factor in our success this season, next to Tyreke.
 
The Rockets need their own salary dump in T-mac, and they ALSO need him just in case they make the playoffs. He is their only shot at extending their seaoson into the second round. Kings get smaller, which is nonsensical, and the rockets get all our best position players. these ideas should come with a poll.
 
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