Sacramento, Indiana Closing in on Deal?
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SacKings384
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I'd trade Kenny Thomas for anything at this point...
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I wouldn't worry too much as of yet. Isn't this the same site that sparked 50 pages of KG to Sac rumors? Probably a waste of time even talking about it at this point. Time will tell however.
BawLa
Starter
Word... not to mention the whole "being around Artest thing" too.
Fresno King
Starter
Boo frickin' hoo.
I like the Etan Thomas idea. Thomas, Miller, SAR, Foster works for me.
Widowmaker2k
Bench
Ugh, this trade is not what we need. Bonzi Wells has more value than Foster/Jahusemewhat, (Lets just call him J) It seems if Douby is to get any minutes at all this year, it's to fight for them with Price behind Bibby, so J would either stunt one of our young guys, or not play at all. Foster would be a backup C who can board, but is still somewhat of a big stiff.
Just say no Geoff.
Just say no Geoff.
Myspace is populated with tools.
Now that I got that off my chest... that trade doesn't help the Kings. Foster is a very good rebounder and plays solid position defense, but he's an offensive liability, he doesn't block shots, and he's unjury prone. Not worth Wells.
Now that I got that off my chest... that trade doesn't help the Kings. Foster is a very good rebounder and plays solid position defense, but he's an offensive liability, he doesn't block shots, and he's unjury prone. Not worth Wells.
KingsFan93
G-League
tools or fools?
nbrans
All-Star
I don't love Sarunas Jasikevicius, but don't underestimate Foster. He's one of the very best rebounders in the league, particularly on the offensive end. He rebounds better than Reggie Evans, Camby... everyone. But unlike Reggie Evans he has good size for the position and he plays good post defense. Yeah, not a shotblocker. But he'd be a valuable piece.
If Indiana would send Marquis Daniels instead of Jasikevicius I'd be pretty happy with this deal.
If Indiana would send Marquis Daniels instead of Jasikevicius I'd be pretty happy with this deal.
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Many of you are underestimating Jeff Foster, but many Pacer fans do also.
No he's not a shotblocker, he just isn't. But remember Karl Malone wasn't a shoblocker either and he did that little thing of stripping the ball before the guy got the ball above his shoulders, Jeff does that just not as well as Karl.
Jeff is not a banger, he just isn't. But he's extremely quick and fast. His feet and hands are as quick as any player near his height. I've said for years that Jeff is a great defender against the quick and mobile power forwards. Players like Lamar Odom, Antoine Walker, he defends players like that IMO better than anyone in the NBA. He's not a great low-post one-on-one defender, and yet he defends Duncan and KG very well also.
If EMuss plans on fronting the post Jeff is an expert in doing that. Jeff is just an extremely valuable defensive player.
Jeff is also a great guy, never complains, plays hard every second he's on the floor and he always follows the gameplan. He's an energy guy and that rubs off on his teammates.
Rebounding: Jeff just has a nose for the ball. he gets rebounds when it looks like he has no chance, he slivers inbetween players for offensive rebounds. Sure he's not a big bruising defensive rebounding, but he blocks out and gets his share.
Offensively: He's really improved his free throwing shooting the last two season. Certainly not Brad Miller in this area, but he's not Ben Wallace either. His offensive game is not good, he has no confidence in his shot and even though he's a decent ball handler and driver, he doesn't do that very often. So yes teams do help off of him, but as soon as the ball is in the air, teams scramble to bock him out. In fact in the Pacers - Nets playoff series, the Nets often used two players to keep Jeff off the offensive boards.
I'd love to answer any of your questions regarding Jeff. He's my favorite player on the Pacers after you took my former favorite player a few months back.
I'll post something on Saras a little later
No he's not a shotblocker, he just isn't. But remember Karl Malone wasn't a shoblocker either and he did that little thing of stripping the ball before the guy got the ball above his shoulders, Jeff does that just not as well as Karl.
Jeff is not a banger, he just isn't. But he's extremely quick and fast. His feet and hands are as quick as any player near his height. I've said for years that Jeff is a great defender against the quick and mobile power forwards. Players like Lamar Odom, Antoine Walker, he defends players like that IMO better than anyone in the NBA. He's not a great low-post one-on-one defender, and yet he defends Duncan and KG very well also.
If EMuss plans on fronting the post Jeff is an expert in doing that. Jeff is just an extremely valuable defensive player.
Jeff is also a great guy, never complains, plays hard every second he's on the floor and he always follows the gameplan. He's an energy guy and that rubs off on his teammates.
Rebounding: Jeff just has a nose for the ball. he gets rebounds when it looks like he has no chance, he slivers inbetween players for offensive rebounds. Sure he's not a big bruising defensive rebounding, but he blocks out and gets his share.
Offensively: He's really improved his free throwing shooting the last two season. Certainly not Brad Miller in this area, but he's not Ben Wallace either. His offensive game is not good, he has no confidence in his shot and even though he's a decent ball handler and driver, he doesn't do that very often. So yes teams do help off of him, but as soon as the ball is in the air, teams scramble to bock him out. In fact in the Pacers - Nets playoff series, the Nets often used two players to keep Jeff off the offensive boards.
I'd love to answer any of your questions regarding Jeff. He's my favorite player on the Pacers after you took my former favorite player a few months back.
I'll post something on Saras a little later
I worded that most carefully.
Don't get me misrepresented, Unclebuck; I like Jeff Foster, and there aren't many Pacers that I can say that about, but he's not going to start in Sacramento as long as we have Brad Miller, and I'd rather have a shot blocker off the bench.
I also don't think that he's as quick as you're presenting.
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I would do it because with Bonzi he is getting older and when he signs are u getting the injured Bonzi that granted he was our best player during the year but he was injure or are we getting the playoff Bonzi? Or are we getting hey a guy who is happy to have his five year deal and not work as hard after he gets his contract the way he worked so hard this year to get his big time contract?
Peja4threee
G-League
Bonzi sign&trade to Indy for Foster and Jasikevicius?
Sacramento, Indiana Closing in on Deal?
The Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers are in advanced discussions revolving a trade that would send Bonzi Wells to the Pacers to replace the firepower lost from Peja Stojakovic's departure to New Orleans. The reported trade would send Jeff Foster and one of our overseas targets from last year, Sarunas Jasikevicius, to Sacramento in a sign and trade for Bonzi Wells.
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1402
Sacramento, Indiana Closing in on Deal?
The Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers are in advanced discussions revolving a trade that would send Bonzi Wells to the Pacers to replace the firepower lost from Peja Stojakovic's departure to New Orleans. The reported trade would send Jeff Foster and one of our overseas targets from last year, Sarunas Jasikevicius, to Sacramento in a sign and trade for Bonzi Wells.
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1402
Ryle
Starter
If Bonzi has decided he wants to leave and Indiana is willing to give him a big(insane) contract then there is not much the Kings can do. At that point you get what you can in a sign and trade and I happen to be a huge fan of Foster and even though he is not a "shot-blocker" he at least is mobile in the middle and is a great rebounder. Jasekevicous(sp.) can give us some more scoring punch off the bench as well. Both have moveable contracts down the line(where have we heard that before) and they both fill a need for us.
A frontline of Brad, Jeff and Ron would be nice if you ask me. Jeff and Brad have stayed very good friends over the years, (not that it matters) but also Jeff was one of only two players who seemingly was not excited when Ron was traded.
If you don't believe anything else I've ever posted in this forum believe me when I say Jeff Foster is quick, hands and feet, keep in mind we're talking about a guy who is 6'11". Jeff can also really run the floor
NoBonus
Starter
Good points. Essentially, if Bonzi wants more years and $$ than Petrie is willing to giev him, at least in a sign and trade you do not lose Bonzi for nothing. Think about it, if he just says, "I am signing with the Pacers", then the Kings get nothing at all in return... I would rather have Foster than nothing.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ooh..the Bonzi to Indiana for random spare parts trade! And everyone knows that if you are going to have to pay $8 million dollars anyway you'd rather do it to Jeff Foster and Sarunas Jasikvecius than to Bonzi Wells. Cool -- we are getting good at those. Soon we will have all of the "flexible pieces" in the league and none of the talent. Then we'll rock.
Its nice of us to try to make it up to Indiana for stealing Miller and Artest from them by giving a not so little something back for their garbage this time.
This BTW would add another shooter for Petrie. Oh, and also likely mean that Brad stays because, well, he can shoot too and Foster can grab all those nasty rebound things from his spot just to the left of Muss. Luckily we will still be safe from any of that shotblocking bunk since nobody involved in the trade does it. And as a bonus we get to have the worst pair of defensive PGs in the league! Yahoo!
Oh, and as we "make our grand championship push" here are the playoff numbers for the respective parties:
Out: Bonzi Wells: 41.5min 23.2pts (.609 .625 .651) 12.0reb 1.3ast 0.8stl 0.3blk 3.0TO
In: Jasikvecius: 11.0min 2.8pts (.368 .222 .500) 1.0reb 1.0ast 0.0stl 0.2blk 0.8TO
In: Jeff Foster: 20.0min 2.8pts (.364 .000 .750) 6.0reb 0.8ast 1.0stl 0.3blk 0.0TO
Its nice of us to try to make it up to Indiana for stealing Miller and Artest from them by giving a not so little something back for their garbage this time.
This BTW would add another shooter for Petrie. Oh, and also likely mean that Brad stays because, well, he can shoot too and Foster can grab all those nasty rebound things from his spot just to the left of Muss. Luckily we will still be safe from any of that shotblocking bunk since nobody involved in the trade does it. And as a bonus we get to have the worst pair of defensive PGs in the league! Yahoo!
Oh, and as we "make our grand championship push" here are the playoff numbers for the respective parties:
Out: Bonzi Wells: 41.5min 23.2pts (.609 .625 .651) 12.0reb 1.3ast 0.8stl 0.3blk 3.0TO
In: Jasikvecius: 11.0min 2.8pts (.368 .222 .500) 1.0reb 1.0ast 0.0stl 0.2blk 0.8TO
In: Jeff Foster: 20.0min 2.8pts (.364 .000 .750) 6.0reb 0.8ast 1.0stl 0.3blk 0.0TO
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LA King Fan II
Bench
In Webberesque fashion we are looking at mediocre parts for Bonzi.
As good as Bonzi was I could live with them losing him (he was making outside shots against San Antonio during his miracle series - doubt we could count on that, also think his disgust with Bibby and Miller's awful defense would be cancerous at some point).
Can't believe we can't get more. Who knows we may still.
As good as Bonzi was I could live with them losing him (he was making outside shots against San Antonio during his miracle series - doubt we could count on that, also think his disgust with Bibby and Miller's awful defense would be cancerous at some point).
Can't believe we can't get more. Who knows we may still.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Bonzi Wells -- Age: 29 (30 in Sept)
Jeff Foster -- Age: 29 (30 in Jan)
Jasekvecius -- Age: 30 (31 in Mar)
Yep, that "Bonzi is getting older" line of bull hooey sure does apply here, Woot!!
LA King Fan II
Bench
Brick,
Would you like better with a healthier Tinsley?
Would you like better with a healthier Tinsley?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
LA King Fan II
Bench
He was sure good when healthy a couple of years ago. I think he'd help - but I guess you're right.
KingKong
Starter
ParniValjak
All-Star
I think we need to realise one thing. If Bonzi wants to go then there is nothing we can do about it. We obviously have a price in mind for his services. I would be happy with a 5 year $40 million deal but anything over that is a bit too much.
My #1 choice is to keep Bonzi but if thats not going to happen they I would like to get something for him. Since its a sign and trade, there is very little chance that we will get something good in return for him. When was the last time that both sides got equal value in a sign and trade deal? Usually the side that is doing the signing and then trading (in this case us) gets bent over. Its just the norm.
My #1 choice is to keep Bonzi but if thats not going to happen they I would like to get something for him. Since its a sign and trade, there is very little chance that we will get something good in return for him. When was the last time that both sides got equal value in a sign and trade deal? Usually the side that is doing the signing and then trading (in this case us) gets bent over. Its just the norm.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No, he was hurt even his good year (04-05). Last 3 years: 52gms 40gms 42gms. Whatever his salary is, just double it, because that's effectively how much you are paying per game.
Onto a broader question, what would make me like this deal? Hmmm...
1) I was down with using Bonzi as a chip to get Chandler, because Chandler would have filled a need and has young talent. Similarly if we used Bonzi to get Nene that would be ok (although my eyes are still bugging over that contract). Using Bonzi to get back random MLE level garbage is NOT. EXACT same situation as with Webb. Get back Dalembert or some such in that deal and we can at least talk. Get back random midlevel pieces and we cannot. NOT how you win in the NBA.
2) So how would this particular deal make sense? If in a 2nd deal we were getting KG. Or TMac. Or some other second star to team with Artest. Then our garbage little pickups make sense as the roleplayers you might surround an MJ/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe (or KG/Artest TMac/Artest duo) with -- the limited shooter roleplayer. The doesn't need the ball rebounding roleplayer. Guys who can suck and be limited because of the greatness of their teammates.
It does NOT make sense to dump an impact player and perfect compliment for your star player for yet more middleaged, middlesalaried roleplaying benchers to join the cahort we already have unless you are going to make a serious move to reshape the whole team.
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KingKong
Starter
Much of the same...
Bonzi Wells to Pacers deal heating up
Bonzi Wells - G - SAC - Jul. 11 - 9:26 am et
The Pacers are reportedly in serious negotiations to acquire Bonzi Wells from the Kings in a sign-and-trade deal.
That would help make up for the loss of Peja Stojakovic and would bring Wells, who attended Ball St. University, back home. The Pacers are said to be prepared to give up forward/center Jeff Foster and guard Sarunas Jasikevicius in the deal. The deal makes sense to us, as Wells can play several positions and would add some much-needed firepower to the reeling Pacers. The biggest question is, can Bonzi keep his head on straight again this season? If the deal does happen, Kevin Martin will take over at shooting guard for the Kings, seeing a dramatic increase in fantasy value.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...ngnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=537&line=67799&spln=1
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Why do they keep mentioning "make up for the loss of Peja". If anything we gained. I know they are talking about shooting, but it's not like we've turned into a bad shooting team or anything.
Bonzi Wells to Pacers deal heating up
Bonzi Wells - G - SAC - Jul. 11 - 9:26 am et
The Pacers are reportedly in serious negotiations to acquire Bonzi Wells from the Kings in a sign-and-trade deal.
That would help make up for the loss of Peja Stojakovic and would bring Wells, who attended Ball St. University, back home. The Pacers are said to be prepared to give up forward/center Jeff Foster and guard Sarunas Jasikevicius in the deal. The deal makes sense to us, as Wells can play several positions and would add some much-needed firepower to the reeling Pacers. The biggest question is, can Bonzi keep his head on straight again this season? If the deal does happen, Kevin Martin will take over at shooting guard for the Kings, seeing a dramatic increase in fantasy value.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...ngnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=537&line=67799&spln=1
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Why do they keep mentioning "make up for the loss of Peja". If anything we gained. I know they are talking about shooting, but it's not like we've turned into a bad shooting team or anything.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No - they are saying the Pacers are making up for the loss of Peja.
We, on the other hand, are just being forced to bend over and pick up the soap by our GM.
We, on the other hand, are just being forced to bend over and pick up the soap by our GM.
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