Sac/orl

BawLa

BawLa

Starter
#1
#1
Brought it up before, but it got buried amongst the plethora of trade talks around the deadline.

Salmons to Orlando for Cook, Gortat and their first round draft pick.


Both Cook and Gortat will be expirings so we could just cut them loose whenever. Salmons as Orlando's starting 2 guard would give them much more depth and flexibility over Maurice Evans. We get expirings and a late first rounder so all is good on that front.

There are some particularly interesting players projected to go in the 20-25 range. Jason Thompson, DJ White, Serge Ibaka, Lester Hudson, Alexis Ajinca and Kyle Weaver are all interesting prospects and would be well worth giving up Salmons IMO.
 
Gary

Gary

All-Star
#4
#4
It would deplete our bench. We have 2 backup SG/SF in Salmons, and Garcia, and with Salmons, and most likely Artest out of here we would have Garcia starting, and a rookie backing up? I guess we could pick up Dhantay Jones again, but still.. I wouldn't want to rely on a late 1st rounder to be the primary backup..
 
DocHolliday

DocHolliday

Starter
#5
#5
icp3425 said:
I dont get why wed want to trade john if Ron is most likely leaving
Click to expand...
I don't want to trade John either, but Ron is most likely staying. At least that is what he last said. He says it's because the Kings have stuck by him, I think his agent advised him to, because there won't be any money in the free agent market this year.
 
bajaden

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#6
#6
BawLa said:
Brought it up before, but it got buried amongst the plethora of trade talks around the deadline.

Salmons to Orlando for Cook, Gortat and their first round draft pick.


Both Cook and Gortat will be expirings so we could just cut them loose whenever. Salmons as Orlando's starting 2 guard would give them much more depth and flexibility over Maurice Evans. We get expirings and a late first rounder so all is good on that front.

There are some particularly interesting players projected to go in the 20-25 range. Jason Thompson, DJ White, Serge Ibaka, Lester Hudson, Alexis Ajinca and Kyle Weaver are all interesting prospects and would be well worth giving up Salmons IMO.
Click to expand...
I'm not denying that the trade might work, but in the end, your proposing that we trade a very skilled and not that old, player that can play the 2 or 3 in exchange for a draft pick we would use to draft a player that can hopefully do the same thing. In essense, you taking a position where we don't have a need and creating a need by trading away someone experienced and then replacing him with someone unexperienced.
 
BawLa

BawLa

Starter
#7
#7
bajaden said:
I'm not denying that the trade might work, but in the end, your proposing that we trade a very skilled and not that old, player that can play the 2 or 3 in exchange for a draft pick we would use to draft a player that can hopefully do the same thing. In essense, you taking a position where we don't have a need and creating a need by trading away someone experienced and then replacing him with someone unexperienced.
Click to expand...
In essence, I am taking a player at a position of depth, and parlaying his contract for a draft pick in hopes of landing a talent better than Salmons at a position of greater need. As I pointed out, there are some interesting PGs and bigs around Orlando's range of pick. Maybe you disagree with that.

The expirings help to make this a classic rebuilding move. Which we are still doing right? Holding on to Salmons is getting more and more pointless with both Martin and Cisco here. There isn't much that Salmons can do that Cisco cannot, and we need to give our youth some room to grow IMO. Not to mention that Salmons has proved that he is ready for a starting SG bid somewhere.

Salmons is in his late 20's and while he is still very servicable, there is a good chance that he will be less effective by the time we are in contention again. And the fact that Salmons does not like to come off the bench makes it harder on us to keep him IMO.

It's not like we watched Salmons develop in front of our very eyes. There is no sentimental homegrown connection with John like there is with Kevin and Francisco. We plucked an old prospect from the FA bin as a backup in case Martin and Cisco didn't pan out. Well they did, and this move would be taking the value that GP found in the FA market and moving that value to a prospect like Jason Thompson for example.

And don't forget about the extra $5M that we would have to complete a contract with Beno or whoever.
 
bajaden

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#8
#8
BawLa said:
In essence, I am taking a player at a position of depth, and parlaying his contract for a draft pick in hopes of landing a talent better than Salmons at a position of greater need. As I pointed out, there are some interesting PGs and bigs around Orlando's range of pick. Maybe you disagree with that.

The expirings help to make this a classic rebuilding move. Which we are still doing right? Holding on to Salmons is getting more and more pointless with both Martin and Cisco here. There isn't much that Salmons can do that Cisco cannot, and we need to give our youth some room to grow IMO. Not to mention that Salmons has proved that he is ready for a starting SG bid somewhere.

Salmons is in his late 20's and while he is still very servicable, there is a good chance that he will be less effective by the time we are in contention again. And the fact that Salmons does not like to come off the bench makes it harder on us to keep him IMO.

It's not like we watched Salmons develop in front of our very eyes. There is no sentimental homegrown connection with John like there is with Kevin and Francisco. We plucked an old prospect from the FA bin as a backup in case Martin and Cisco didn't pan out. Well they did, and this move would be taking the value that GP found in the FA market and moving that value to a prospect like Jason Thompson for example.

And don't forget about the extra $5M that we would have to complete a contract with Beno or whoever.
Click to expand...
Now if you can figure out a way to pull off this same trade using KT, I'm all for it. I think your just baiting me with Jason Thompson because you know I like him. It would be inticing though.
 
BawLa

BawLa

Starter
#9
#9
bajaden said:
Now if you can figure out a way to pull off this same trade using KT, I'm all for it. I think your just baiting me with Jason Thompson because you know I like him. It would be inticing though.
Click to expand...
So would you do it for Alexis Ajinca? Because I would.


As for trying to dump KT, I've tried it many times and failed miserably. I'm beginning to think that dumping KT is impossible. But that won't stop me from trying. :D

By my calculations, Orlando has $17.51M coming off the books this year.

How about Salmons + Thomas + 2nd round pick to Orlando for Battie + Turkoglu + 1st round pick.

Stay with me. We get reunited with an old friend in a new age, a man to bide the time at SF while transitioning to Garcia. Then Artest opts out of his contract and joins Orlando's squad. Artest and Salmons work well together and would give them awesome perimeter D.

Nelson
Salmons
Artest
Lewis
Howard

Would do some damage in the East.

Say they didn't want to lose Turkoglu, and they didn't want to sign Artest or couldn't. Then the trade could be Salmons + Thomas for Battie(2yrs) + Cook(1yr+PO) + Bogans(exp) + Redick(TO) + Foyle(exp) + 1st round pick. They would be left thin in their bench, but would probably be fine.

That's the best I could do.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#10
#10
Orlando has no reason I can think of to do that deal, unless of course you have pictures of TPTB with various farm animals they might not like to see made public.
 
BawLa

BawLa

Starter
#14
#14
VF21 said:
This one:
Click to expand...
Yeah, I was thinking why would they want to lose Turkoglu. They probably wouldn't. But if for some reason they wanted Artest, they would have a much more complete team. Artest and Salmons would give them tremendous man and perimeter defense and they would be good #3 and #4 scorers. They could easily pick up the scoring void left by Hedo. But yeah, still not much motivation.

That is why it is impossible to move KT. :rolleyes:
 
BawLa

BawLa

Starter
#15
#15
bajaden said:
I do it in a heart beat thoough. Wave your magic wand Bawla...
Click to expand...
Yeah, about that...

My magic has been banned by the court system in 17 states including California. They've taken away all my wands. But you can bet, if I got one back, I would fairy-godmother KT off of our team in a heartbeat...
 
CruzDude

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#17
#17
Turkoglu is being touted for most improved player IN THE NBA!!! and is having a career year. WHY would ORL even consider trading Hedo????? For anyone on the Kings? Don't see it at all from their side.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

All-Star
#18
#18
CruzDude said:
Turkoglu is being touted for most improved player IN THE NBA!!! and is having a career year. WHY would ORL even consider trading Hedo????? For anyone on the Kings? Don't see it at all from their side.
Click to expand...
lol, i just read where he adjusted his trade. the first trade wasn't bad at all. it'll allow us to wipe that salmons signing off next season. the second trade, orlando won't do it. hedo is playing incredible right now. no reason for orlando to trade their point forward
 
chrisnu

chrisnu

Bench
#19
#19
If Orlando is looking to move anyone, it's Jameer Nelson. They may try to move him and another player to upgrade the PG position. His new contract may make that difficult, though.
 
1

1kingzfan

Bench
#20
#20
The ONLY way Kenny ever gets moved (and probably SAR too) before his final contract year (when he will be more desirable to others for his expiring dollars) is to package him with a very desirable piece in trade. The only very desirable pieces the Kings have now are Artest and Martin.

Kevin is staying put for a while here, so that leaves Ron. But, as we saw before the recent trade deadline, Ron's extra baggage devalues his talent in a trade, and we got nothing of substance offered. So I am not optimistic that we can get much in a sign-and-trade this summer if Ron opts in.

Look at what we got for Bibby, nothing of substance to help our rebuild at all, except a bigger chunk of what we owed Mike coming off the books this summer rather than next.

We are stuck for a while...unless we change our name to the LA Lakers where we can get a superstar for our crap.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.