Sac/LAC/Utah

[nbrans]

I feel like this trade solves a lot of issues for all three teams:

LA Clippers outgoing:
Cuttino Mobley
#14

LA Clippers incoming:
Ron Artest

Utah outgoing:
Gordan Giricek
Jarron Collins

Utah incoming:
Cuttino Mobley

Sacramento outgoing:
Ron Artest

Sacramento incoming:
Gordan Giricek (ender)
Jarron Collins (ends in 2009, small contract)
#14

Kings erase most of Ron's deal and get a late lotto pick. Utah gets a shooter and gives up basically nothing, Clippers get Artest for Mobley and the lotto pick and shed Mobley's long term deal.

 

[Bricklayer]

The onyl problem is that Sloan throttles Cat before the end of training camp.

 

[Entity]

this is a good deal only it makes me wonder. As a GM would you think of something like this or is your focus on the bigger trades and this is something that has to just come up.

This is why GP should read this board to give him ideas.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

not a bad trade scenario. it looks like something that could happen...

 

[Rain man]

Honestly though- I think we can do better for Artest. I understand the idea of getting enders and getting draft picks, but I really think this undervalues Ron.

I don't think Ron should be moved at the first hint of a decent offer. He is someone that you shop and see what the best deal is. His contract is one of the most reasonable on the team, so getting enders to avoid his contract doesn't make a lot of sense. Thus, moving a valauble trade chip to get the #14 pick and cap relief from a contract that isn't bad in the first place doesn't seem worth it to me.

While the market for Ron isn't huge I suspect it is better than the #14 pick overall.

The only contract that should be moved at any sign of interest is Kenny Thomas. Otherwise, I think you hold Miller, Bibby, Ron and if the right deal comes you act. Never deal from a position of weakness or panic...

 

[HndsmCelt]

The Jazz need an outside shooter but I am not sure if Cat is the guy. Sloan demands defense and he wants his PG to controll the whole game... sort of leaves Cat in the cold or dead as Brick implies. Heck the Kings MIGHT have a better chance of trading Ron straight to the Jazz for Collins and GG, but again the mix of Ron and Jerry sounds like Spreewell all over again.

 

[Smills91]

The Jazz need an outside shooter but I am not sure if Cat is the guy. Sloan demands defense and he wants his PG to controll the whole game... sort of leaves Cat in the cold or dead as Brick implies. Heck the Kings MIGHT have a better chance of trading Ron straight to the Jazz for Collins and GG, but again the mix of Ron and Jerry sounds like Spreewell all over again.

I personally think Sloan would see a bit of himself in Ron(minus the rap/projects attitude).

 

[HndsmCelt]

I personally think Sloan would see a bit of himself in Ron(minus the rap/projects attitude).

True that! Honestly Ron could do well in Sloan's system IF he could keep his personal life from becoming a distraction. Remeber Utha nees scoreing power and Ron desperatly wants to be a scorer.

 

[nbrans]

I don't know why Cat has the reputation for being a bad defender. He struggles some because of his lack of height, but he gives good effort.

 

[supamari0]

The Jazz need an outside shooter but I am not sure if Cat is the guy. Sloan demands defense and he wants his PG to controll the whole game... sort of leaves Cat in the cold or dead as Brick implies. Heck the Kings MIGHT have a better chance of trading Ron straight to the Jazz for Collins and GG, but again the mix of Ron and Jerry sounds like Spreewell all over again.

Mobley can play defense when he tries. He's a freak. He's only 6-4 but the guy has pterodactyl arms so his wingspan is huge. He used to be a pretty good defender back in the day in Houston. I think he could play pretty well in Utah.

 

[Bricklayer]

Those days are largely past. Cat only plays as hard as he wants to, when he wants to. He coasts, he's a pretty boy + does not scrap, he is an anti-Sloan player. And he can be obliviously selfish on offense. If Jerry didn't kill him himself, he'd probably send Harpring or Boozer to do it for him.

 

[supamari0]

Those days are largely past. Cat only plays as hard as he wants to, when he wants to. He coasts, he's a pretty boy + does not scrap, he is an anti-Sloan player. And he can be obliviously selfish on offense. If Jerry didn't kill him himself, he'd probably send Harpring or Boozer to do it for him.

That's pretty sad. I never kept up with him after he left Houston, but you couldn't accuse him or Steve Francis of not trying. I suppose if he didn't make a good impression during his 1 year in Sacramento then he has no shot with Sloan.

He survived in Houston largely because there was no system in place. It was a free-wheeling offense which focused around him and Steve Francis. Even in Orlando it was the same thing for the most part. So I guess if he couldn't survive in the Princeton with a guy who's considered a "player's coach" like Adelman, he'd probably die in a motion offense with the epitomy of a disciplinarian in Jerry Sloan.

But he did ok with Van Gundy which is why I thought he might do ok with Sloan.

 

[thedofd]

Honestly though- I think we can do better for Artest. I understand the idea of getting enders and getting draft picks, but I really think this undervalues Ron.

I don't think Ron should be moved at the first hint of a decent offer. He is someone that you shop and see what the best deal is. His contract is one of the most reasonable on the team, so getting enders to avoid his contract doesn't make a lot of sense. Thus, moving a valauble trade chip to get the #14 pick and cap relief from a contract that isn't bad in the first place doesn't seem worth it to me.

While the market for Ron isn't huge I suspect it is better than the #14 pick overall.

The only contract that should be moved at any sign of interest is Kenny Thomas. Otherwise, I think you hold Miller, Bibby, Ron and if the right deal comes you act. Never deal from a position of weakness or panic...

This paragraph was tacked on to the end of a New York Post story about the Knicks' interest in Kobe Bryant:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46336/20070601/new_yorks_works_on_trade_offers_for_kobe/

"The buzz at pre-draft camp has the Kings shopping Ron Artest. Despite Thomas' love of Artest's game, the Knicks appear to be mixed on him because of his baggage."

While I'm in agreement with you that the Kings shouldn't just give Artest away, if the Knicks, of all people, are hesitant about his baggage, just how much can you expect to get in return?