SAC/GSW Trade idea

[Merdiesel]

Sacramento gets

Monta Ellis
Andris Biedrins
Devean George
1st round pick

Golden State gets

Kevin Martin
Spencer Hawes
Kenny Thomas
Sergio Rodriguez

We get our starting spots filled at the 1 and 5. Defense and rebounding would be addressed.

Golden State gets a revamped back court, a young big with "potential" and a big expiring contract.

Works on realgm. What do you guys think?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

no thanks. i think we can do better than getting a undersized shooting guard to pair w/ reke.

 

[rainmaker]

I wanted Monta before, but would rather see what a Tyreke/KMart backcourt can do. I watch Monta a lot living down here in the bay, and while he is an expolsive scorer, he's not a great playmaker. I don't think he and Tyreke would fit well together.

But Biedrens, I've wanted for a while. Dude is a vacuum around the glass. Blocks shots. Athletic. Lots of putbacks. And can't shoot a ft to save his life(gotta be honest). But I would LOVE having Biedrens on this team. More so than Okafor or Salumbert to be honest.

 

[Merdiesel]

no thanks. i think we can do better than getting a undersized shooting guard to pair w/ reke.

It starts with Monta because he wants out, but it's more aimed at landing Biedrins.

 

[Chupacabra]

golden state gets way more value out of that trade than the Kings do. A combination of Martin/Hawes/KT should fetch something HUGE.

 

[Merdiesel]

golden state gets way more value out of that trade than the Kings do. A combination of Martin/Hawes/KT should fetch something HUGE.

Yeah, maybe you're right. Any suggestions?

 

[Chupacabra]

Not really. I like Biedrins but his shortcomings at the freethrow line kill him for me. You cant have a guy on the floor at the end of a close game that is as terrible of a freethrow shooter as Biedrins.

 

[NoBonus]

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5289510

Trade works on paper, but why would the Kings want a lineup including Ellis AND Evans? Doesn't make sense.

 

[NoBonus]

Yeah, maybe you're right. Any suggestions?

If you are looking for a center for center swap, but beidrins has 4 more years on his "deal"

GSW gets:
Hawes
K9

Kings get:
Biedrins
George

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5289514

 

[hrdboild]

Sacramento gets

Monta Ellis

I stopped reading at this point. Sure he's a pretty good player, but do you really want that guy on this team? He got injured in a moped accident then lied about it, told reporters he couldn't play with Stephen Curry, then got into a public shouting match with Don Nelson. Nelson isn't a saint or anything but there's more than enough evidence already that Ellis is not going to be a positive influence on team chemistry.

 

[NoBonus]

I stopped reading at this point. Sure he's a pretty good player, but do you really want that guy on this team? He got injured in a moped accident then lied about it, told reporters he couldn't play with Stephen Curry, then got into a public shouting match with Don Nelson. Nelson isn't a saint or anything but there's more than enough evidence already that Ellis is not going to be a positive influence on team chemistry.

I agree. Plus, Sacramento does not need Ellis.

 

[hammystyle]

I stopped reading at this point. Sure he's a pretty good player, but do you really want that guy on this team? He got injured in a moped accident then lied about it, told reporters he couldn't play with Stephen Curry, then got into a public shouting match with Don Nelson. Nelson isn't a saint or anything but there's more than enough evidence already that Ellis is not going to be a positive influence on team chemistry.

OMG! Let's lock him up! He got into a moped accident AND yelled at his crappy coach

I'm not saying that he's a saint or even advocating we trade for him, but those three pieces of info are worth close to zero in assessing his value.

 

[Bricklayer]

I understand the certain amount of saavy that went into this proposal -- all the pieces have a reason to be there. Ellis comes over to play combo guard next to Evans, which no less an authority than, well, me , has said is the right mix. We get a youngish shotblocker/rebounder. Meanwhile Kevin would thrive in Nellie's all open court no defense system, even if he might take a while to settle in at PF, Nellie gets a chubbie over getting himself a true 3pt shooting center who's career he can ruin by encouraging all his worst instincts and turning him into Lafrentz Pt. II, and Devean George is brought on board with his superstar potential to help make up for the loss of K9 the Wonderdog.


So get all of that. Its well thought out to that degree. But:

1) Ellis is selfish and immature, you run a risk there of importing a cancer

2) Ellis is a midget, basically just a PG without any PG skills. If he's the combo guard you put next to Evans, Evans is never gaurded by the opposing team's PG ever again, and all that juicy power and poist game is wasted on players his own size and larger (SGs).

3) Nellie's system is ridiuclous of cours,e so its damned hard trying to predict what the numbers of guys leaving hissystem will look like in yours. Can Ellis and Biedrins play outisde of the Nellie chuck and duck?

4) Biedrins is a shotblocker and a rebounder, but he's also quite thin and a long way from physical. You might gain in your target traits, but still have nobody to stop a strong inside player. That might be ok, but by trading away Spence, it leaves us still wiht only two big guys (as opposed ot the Okafor and Dalembert rumors which would have givne us three). And Biedrins has begun to look injury prone of late as well.

5) Kenny Thomas is thrown in to make salaries work, but Kenny, as a big ender, isn't a "throw in", he's a valuable trading piece. He represents our chance at nabbing a singificant free agent next summer. Accordingly I would want to know about that #1. What year and what protections? Make it this year w/ no protections then that's intriguing (of course with Golden State trading for an injured KMart and virtually assuring themselves of continued sucking, it would be prodigiously dumb of them to trade away their unprotected pick). Make it lottery protected in 3 years and its not much of a counterbalance.