Ryan Anderson

[upinsmoke]

Has anyone watched R. Anderson lately his lateral movement is REALLY bad right now. A player like that is a luxury but not high on our priority list right now especially if we are talking about giving up assets.

Maybe Marco for Anderson might make sense for us because we have Curry who appears ready for some more PT. Not sure how NO would feel about it.

 

[dude12]

Ryan Anderson can be ours after this season....without giving up assets. Just wait it out.

 

[randymoss1881]

Has anyone watched R. Anderson lately his lateral movement is REALLY bad right now. A player like that is a luxury but not high on our priority list right now especially if we are talking about giving up assets.

Maybe Marco for Anderson might make sense for us because we have Curry who appears ready for some more PT. Not sure how NO would feel about it.

You're right espically with the way Cassipi is playing id be down for a KK/Belinelli for Anderson/Ajenca. With WCS coming back the big rotation can be

DMC: 34mpg
Anderson: 30mpg
WCS: 20mpg
Gay: 12mpg (at PF)

Guards
Rondo: 34mpg
Ben: 25mpg
Gay: 23mpg (at SF)
Casspi: 29mpg

Ajenca would be an emergency vet if needed and curry would get play if needed. Bench would still be good with Collison, Casspi, WCS and our starters get an elite shooter at PF.

We won't have as much money in FA as people think right now the cap will be at 88mill without Rondo we are at 57mill. Now add in a max for rondo at 26mill and there goes our cap space.

 

[bajaden]

You're right espically with the way Cassipi is playing id be down for a KK/Belinelli for Anderson/Ajenca. With WCS coming back the big rotation can be

DMC: 34mpg
Anderson: 30mpg
WCS: 20mpg
Gay: 12mpg (at PF)

Guards
Rondo: 34mpg
Ben: 25mpg
Gay: 23mpg (at SF)
Casspi: 29mpg

Ajenca would be an emergency vet if needed and curry would get play if needed. Bench would still be good with Collison, Casspi, WCS and our starters get an elite shooter at PF.

We won't have as much money in FA as people think right now the cap will be at 88mill without Rondo we are at 57mill. Now add in a max for rondo at 26mill and there goes our cap space.

Excuse me! You honestly think Rondo is going to get 26 mil a year on his next contract. What the hell are you smoking. He would almost be making as much as Gay and Cousins combined. I do think the Kings will do everything possible to retain Rondo, but their not going to give him 26 mil a year. The cap is projected to be at minimum 89 mil. It could be more. The following year it's projected to go up to 107 mil. Rondo has made me a believer, but that's way too much money for a player that's going to be 30 years old in Feb, and who has missed the equivalent of two seasons in the past nine years because of injuries. He's certainly earned a bigger payday, but I hope he's reasonable, or I think he'll be moving on.

 

[206Fan]

You're right espically with the way Cassipi is playing id be down for a KK/Belinelli for Anderson/Ajenca. With WCS coming back the big rotation can be

DMC: 34mpg
Anderson: 30mpg
WCS: 20mpg
Gay: 12mpg (at PF)

Guards
Rondo: 34mpg
Ben: 25mpg
Gay: 23mpg (at SF)
Casspi: 29mpg

Ajenca would be an emergency vet if needed and curry would get play if needed. Bench would still be good with Collison, Casspi, WCS and our starters get an elite shooter at PF.

We won't have as much money in FA as people think right now the cap will be at 88mill without Rondo we are at 57mill. Now add in a max for rondo at 26mill and there goes our cap space.

I'd be so freaking done with the entire Kings org if they gave Rondo a max...or anything over 15. Rondo isn't THAT good. I'd rather max someone like Reggie Jackson. Rondo isn't worth 26...if the Kings offered him anything like that, it would probably be my last straw because that's absurd....

I wouldn't give him anything over 3 years either. Once he loses his quickness(soon), 3/4 of his entire game goes away.

 

[randymoss1881]

I'd be so freaking done with the entire Kings org if they gave Rondo a max...or anything over 15. Rondo isn't THAT good. I'd rather max someone like Reggie Jackson. Rondo isn't worth 26...if the Kings offered him anything like that, it would probably be my last straw because that's absurd....

I wouldn't give him anything over 3 years either. Once he loses his quickness(soon), 3/4 of his entire game goes away.

Rondo for us is that good we won't be getting a better pg in any other way.

Excuse me! You honestly think Rondo is going to get 26 mil a year on his next contract. What the hell are you smoking. He would almost be making as much as Gay and Cousins combined. I do think the Kings will do everything possible to retain Rondo, but their not going to give him 26 mil a year. The cap is projected to be at minimum 89 mil. It could be more. The following year it's projected to go up to 107 mil. Rondo has made me a believer, but that's way too much money for a player that's going to be 30 years old in Feb, and who has missed the equivalent of two seasons in the past nine years because of injuries. He's certainly earned a bigger payday, but I hope he's reasonable, or I think he'll be moving on.

Rondo max starts at 30% of the cap if the cap is 89mill he gets 26mill. Now let me explain why Rondo WILL be getting that money here for 4-5years.

Let's say Rondo keeps up his average for the rest of the year 16/6/11 and we get the 8th seed. This would be our best season since our last playoff appearance and this is sacramento no FA is coming here so you'll either use the money on him or overpay Belinelli type players. Coming off a playoff series going to a news arena with the city pumped are we really gonna burst that bubble and not bring him back. How are DMC/Gay gonna react if we didn't pay him and miss the playoffs next 2 years then they both leave. If we make the playoffs I think going foward we are set at C/PF/SF so if we don't resign rondo I guessing you'd want to upgrade at SG with Collison starting at pg. A big 3 of DMC/Gay/Rondo is very good going foward weta vs to hope that WCS becomes an elite defender, we get a coach that's defensive, and Marco gets back to being an elite shooter.

Also Rondo was severely underpaid on Boston if he plays like this and we make the playoffs he's asking for the max believe that.

 

[206Fan]

Rondo for us is that good we won't be getting a better pg in any other way.



Rondo max starts at 30% of the cap if the cap is 89mill he gets 26mill. Now let me explain why Rondo WILL be getting that money here for 4-5years.

Let's say Rondo keeps up his average for the rest of the year 16/6/11 and we get the 8th seed. This would be our best season since our last playoff appearance and this is sacramento no FA is coming here so you'll either use the money on him or overpay Belinelli type players. Coming off a playoff series going to a news arena with the city pumped are we really gonna burst that bubble and not bring him back. How are DMC/Gay gonna react if we didn't pay him and miss the playoffs next 2 years then they both leave. If we make the playoffs I think going foward we are set at C/PF/SF so if we don't resign rondo I guessing you'd want to upgrade at SG with Collison starting at pg. A big 3 of DMC/Gay/Rondo is very good going foward weta vs to hope that WCS becomes an elite defender, we get a coach that's defensive, and Marco gets back to being an elite shooter.

Also Rondo was severely underpaid on Boston if he plays like this and we make the playoffs he's asking for the max believe that.

Rondo doesn't deserve the max though. Even at his current level of play, he's not anything close to a max player. While making the playoffs for the first time in over 8 years would be amazing, I don't think Kings fans would be upset at all if we decided NOT to give Rondo 23million...

For $23million, we can have both Lin and Barnes, or Lin and Batum, or Lin and Fournier. Hell, maybe even Lin and Whiteside.

OR we could go completely on the other route and go after Mike Conley.

Rondo should NOT get a 4-5 year contract extension for $23million. That's insane and absurd. Do you know how much Kobe made this season? $25million! We are not playing in the LA market, nor are we the most popular team in the NBA player, nor we do have a former top 10 all around NBA player, nor is Rondo a legend.

Who says Cuz and Gay won't walk out at the end of their contract? So if they leave, we get stuck with a terrible contract and unplayable player in Rondo for 2 years. Rondo has had major injuries in his previous season. There's no reason why we should bend our backs in order to pay Rondo.

If there's a team out there willing to pay him 15+, we should let them. Rondo will turn 30 in February. 3/4 of his game relies on his quickness and athleticism. For a player who's had major injuries, is at the end of his prime, and is reaching 30, how many good years does he have left?


Vlade cannot afford to cripple our future like he already has..especially since a lot of it rolls on us being competitive. I'm also unsure if we'll even retain Karl for next year. If we drop him, it means all of the players will have to learn an entire new scheme and struggle through it in their 1st year.

Anthony Davis recently signed a 4years $145million dollar contract. Keep in mind, a lot of them are incentive earnings like making the AS as 1st team. Even keeping that out, he's going to make $29million a year because the Pellies had his rights..so he's basically a max player.

Is Rondo worth the same? hell no.

I don't know..I'm kind of outraged that anyone thinks paying Rondo that type of Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, and etc money is a good idea. Especially since he's not even a top 40 player...might even be able to extend that to top 50 and more.

 

[Fear the Putin]

Rondo doesn't deserve the max though. Even at his current level of play, he's not anything close to a max player. While making the playoffs for the first time in over 8 years would be amazing, I don't think Kings fans would be upset at all if we decided NOT to give Rondo 23million...

For $23million, we can have both Lin and Barnes, or Lin and Batum, or Lin and Fournier. Hell, maybe even Lin and Whiteside.

OR we could go completely on the other route and go after Mike Conley.

Rondo should NOT get a 4-5 year contract extension for $23million. That's insane and absurd. Do you know how much Kobe made this season? $25million! We are not playing in the LA market, nor are we the most popular team in the NBA player, nor we do have a former top 10 all around NBA player, nor is Rondo a legend.

Who says Cuz and Gay won't walk out at the end of their contract? So if they leave, we get stuck with a terrible contract and unplayable player in Rondo for 2 years. Rondo has had major injuries in his previous season. There's no reason why we should bend our backs in order to pay Rondo.

If there's a team out there willing to pay him 15+, we should let them. Rondo will turn 30 in February. 3/4 of his game relies on his quickness and athleticism. For a player who's had major injuries, is at the end of his prime, and is reaching 30, how many good years does he have left?


Vlade cannot afford to cripple our future like he already has..especially since a lot of it rolls on us being competitive. I'm also unsure if we'll even retain Karl for next year. If we drop him, it means all of the players will have to learn an entire new scheme and struggle through it in their 1st year.

Anthony Davis recently signed a 4years $145million dollar contract. Keep in mind, a lot of them are incentive earnings like making the AS as 1st team. Even keeping that out, he's going to make $29million a year because the Pellies had his rights..so he's basically a max player.

Is Rondo worth the same? hell no.

I don't know..I'm kind of outraged that anyone thinks paying Rondo that type of Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, and etc money is a good idea. Especially since he's not even a top 40 player...might even be able to extend that to top 50 and more.

and because we're not in the L.A. market, we have to overpay. That's how the game rolls.

You pay him what he wants because we're sniffing the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Yes, a decade.
You also pay him because Cousins adores him. You're talking about crippling a future? And that this would be the last straw for you? Well, this will also be the last straw for Cousins. Get rid of his coach. Get rid of the first pass-first PG he's had in his entire NBA career. And he's gone too.

 

[bajaden]

Rondo for us is that good we won't be getting a better pg in any other way.



Rondo max starts at 30% of the cap if the cap is 89mill he gets 26mill. Now let me explain why Rondo WILL be getting that money here for 4-5years.

Let's say Rondo keeps up his average for the rest of the year 16/6/11 and we get the 8th seed. This would be our best season since our last playoff appearance and this is sacramento no FA is coming here so you'll either use the money on him or overpay Belinelli type players. Coming off a playoff series going to a news arena with the city pumped are we really gonna burst that bubble and not bring him back. How are DMC/Gay gonna react if we didn't pay him and miss the playoffs next 2 years then they both leave. If we make the playoffs I think going foward we are set at C/PF/SF so if we don't resign rondo I guessing you'd want to upgrade at SG with Collison starting at pg. A big 3 of DMC/Gay/Rondo is very good going foward weta vs to hope that WCS becomes an elite defender, we get a coach that's defensive, and Marco gets back to being an elite shooter.

Also Rondo was severely underpaid on Boston if he plays like this and we make the playoffs he's asking for the max believe that.

One mistake your making, and it's a commonly made mistake on this forum and it's that no freeagent will come here because it's Sacramento. Wrong, freeagents don't come here because were losing, and no one wants to join a losing team. If we start winning, we'll have no problem getting freeagents to come here. Back when we were the darlings of the NBA with Peja, Webb, Vlade etc. we had no problem signing freeagents as long as we had the money to do it.

I like Rondo a lot, but you would have to be out of your freaking mind to give him 26 mil a year. If we make the playoffs, he'll be a part of the reason why, but you can't discount how well Casspi has played. He'd be making almost twice what Cousins makes or what Gay makes. If the Kings would do something like that, I'm done with them. I can only stand so much stupidity.

 

[206Fan]

and because we're not in the L.A. market, we have to overpay. That's how the game rolls.

You pay him what he wants because we're sniffing the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Yes, a decade.
You also pay him because Cousins adores him. You're talking about crippling a future? And that this would be the last straw for you? Well, this will also be the last straw for Cousins. Get rid of his coach. Get rid of the first pass-first PG he's had in his entire NBA career. And he's gone too.

I don't want to cripple the franchise for the future... Nets screwed themselves with Joe Johnson...Pistons with Josh Smith... Pelicans with Eric Gordon...Nets with Deron Williams...Knicks with Amare Stoudemrie...

All of these guys were in their primes except for ASTAT. Rondo? Reaching 30 with a huge injury history.

Cousins shouldn't cry over Rondo not willing to accept $15million which is MORE than enough. Have you see free agency this year? 15million is not chump change, and I think it's an over-pay anyways, but that's my max.

And I highly doubt Rondo asks for a max..if he does, I look elsewhere.

 

[randymoss1881]

One mistake your making, and it's a commonly made mistake on this forum and it's that no freeagent will come here because it's Sacramento. Wrong, freeagents don't come here because were losing, and no one wants to join a losing team. If we start winning, we'll have no problem getting freeagents to come here. Back when we were the darlings of the NBA with Peja, Webb, Vlade etc. we had no problem signing freeagents as long as we had the money to do it.

I like Rondo a lot, but you would have to be out of your freaking mind to give him 26 mil a year. If we make the playoffs, he'll be a part of the reason why, but you can't discount how well Casspi has played. He'd be making almost twice what Cousins makes or what Gay makes. If the Kings would do something like that, I'm done with them. I can only stand so much stupidity.

With the cap going up every team will have money so it's not like we can over pay to get players here. If we loose rondo throwing money at FA won't work when other teams are doing the same thing.

 

[Fear the Putin]

I don't want to cripple the franchise for the future... Nets screwed themselves with Joe Johnson...Pistons with Josh Smith... Pelicans with Eric Gordon...Nets with Deron Williams...Knicks with Amare Stoudemrie...

All of these guys were in their primes except for ASTAT. Rondo? Reaching 30 with a huge injury history.

Cousins shouldn't cry over Rondo not willing to accept $15million which is MORE than enough. Have you see free agency this year? 15million is not chump change, and I think it's an over-pay anyways, but that's my max.

And I highly doubt Rondo asks for a max..if he does, I look elsewhere.

Where is it you'll look. Begin back at square one with a new floor general, trying to build chemistry once again? The cap is going to explode next season, so while 20mil may look exorbitant today, it will fit fine with the new cap.

 

[206Fan]

With the cap going up every team will have money so it's not like we can over pay to get players here. If we loose rondo throwing money at FA won't work when other teams are doing the same thing.

If we can show we can make the playoffs this year, other players will want to come here too. It's not Rondo or die. I doubt Rondo even gets much in FA...let's be honest, there aren't many teams lining up to get him right now...

Where is it you'll look. Begin back at square one with a new floor general, trying to build chemistry once again? The cap is going to explode next season, so while 20mil may look exorbitant today, it will fit fine with the new cap.

Still don't want to give Rondo anywhere near 20million. It would seriously be my last straw with this organization. If we extend Rondo for 5 years, then Cuz walks away in 2 years, what do we do with 3 years left of Rondo? Nobody will want him. Nobody. He will be done.

 

[twslam07]

The more I think about an Anderson deal, the less onboard I am with the idea. We already have a PF who can defend almost (if not every) PF in Cauley-Stein, and we have two players who can play PF and help stretch the floor while playing average to below average defense (Gay & Casspi). Is Anderson much different than having Gay & Casspi at PF? I don't think so. If we're going to be getting another PF, it should be a player who can defend PFs while also being able to knock down a jumper. That's why Gibson has been so appealing to me. He's a hybrid of the three players mentioned above. He may not be as good as a defender as Cauley-Stein and he may not shoot as well as Gay & Casspi, but he's a balanced player who can do a little bit of both.

Now if we don't swing a deal for Gibson using Collison as the main trade piece, it falls on what happens with Rondo. If we're able to resign Rondo to a longer deal, you need to think about moving him to upgrade another position. If we can't resign Rondo, it's likely that Collison will once again become the starter (Conley would likely be the only upgrade in FA and he'd be a pipedream considering all the teams that will have cap space next year).

I'm still assuming that Butler will be moved, and I'd hope we would move him for a PG. It's hard to find a team that might have a use for him but perhaps the Pelicans would. They are weak at SF and have many PGs. We could do a deal like Butler for Douglas to give us some extra PG insurance in case of injuries this year and in case we can't resign Rondo. I'd feel slightly more comfortable with Collison/Douglas/Curry vs. just Collison/Curry.

As for the cap space, we'll have around $20-24 mil in cap space depending on the salary cap and if we want to keep Acy, Moreland, and/or Dukan. I'd be willing to give Batum all of it. His ball handling & passing would pair well with a PG like Collison. Not to mention he essentially can play 3 positions which gives us options when it comes to our starting rotation. If we do sign Batum, we'd need to move McLemore or Belinelli for depth elsewhere (most likely a PG like D. Harris, Barea, or Stuckey).

PG - Collison (28 min)/Harris (20 min)/Curry/Douglas
SG - Batum (28 min)/McLemore (20 min)/Anderson
SF - Gay (15 min)/Casspi (26 min)/Batum (7 min)
PF - Cauley-Stein (20 min)/Gay (19 min)/Cousins (9 min)/Acy/Dukan
C - Cousins (28 min)/Koufos (20 min)/Moreland

Cousins - 37 min
Batum - 35 min
Gay - 34 min
Collison - 28 min
Casspi - 26 min
Cauley-Stein - 20 min
Harris - 20 min
McLemore - 20 min
Koufos - 20 min

The defense would be pretty solid with that starting lineup while still having 4 guys out there who can space the floor. Then you have Harris, McLemore, Casspi, & Koufos leading the bench mob.

Ideally, we're able to resign Rondo in FA. Once you have Rondo on a long term deal, I think you explore deals for Collison to help improve other areas. If we can find an upgrade at SG using Collison, that would be best. For instance, if we traded Collison & McLemore for Middleton/Ariza, I think that would make us instantly better.

PG - Rondo (37 min)/Curry (11 min)/Douglas
SG - Middleton (28 min)/Belinelli (20 min)/Anderson
SF - Gay (16 min)/Casspi (26 min)/Middleton (6 min)
PF - Cauley-Stein (20 min)/Gay (19 min)/Cousins (9 min)/Acy/Dukan
C - Cousins (28 min)/Koufos (20 min)/Moreland

Cousins - 37 min
Rondo - 37 min
Gay - 35 min
Middleton - 34 min
Casspi - 26 min
Cauley-Stein - 20 min
Belinelli- 20 min
Koufos - 20 min
Curry - 11 min

 

[ParniValjak]

RYNO is not worth a max extension...I really hope the Kings wouldn't be the team to give it to him either.

Anderson turned away the Kings the last time we went after him... so I don't see a real reason to really pursue a local player after we got rejected the 1st time. I'm also pretty sure that the Kings would've been more than willing to pay more than that 4 year $34million* offer he got from NO too.

To be fair and totally honest, this was back in the Maloof days where there was no certainty that the team would stay in Sacramento as around that time, we were heavily rumored to be going to Anaheim. Not to mention that our offer would not have come anywhere near that of NO when you consider the penny pinching that the Maloofs were doing at the time. My guess is that our offer would have been around MLE money and he got significantly more from NO.

Not that I am really advocating getting him in the first place but it's unfair to hold it against him that he turned us down given everything that was going on with the team at the time.

 

[Showtime]

Has anyone watched R. Anderson lately his lateral movement is REALLY bad right now. A player like that is a luxury but not high on our priority list right now especially if we are talking about giving up assets.

Maybe Marco for Anderson might make sense for us because we have Curry who appears ready for some more PT. Not sure how NO would feel about it.

Ryan's strength hasn't been his mobility. He can get inside and scrap, he can spread the floor and hit the deep ball from the 4 spot, and he could be very effective IF the offense focuses on using DMC down low, opening up options out of double teams for Ryan. If his defense causes too many problems for DMC to help, then they can use WCS to come in with either guy. I really like Ryan on this team if used correctly.