I think the most remarkable thing about this article is that it's on the Spurs' official website and the title suggests that DeJuan Blair was on the rookie team this year.
Rookie vs. Sophomore Game Thread 2/18/2011
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I think the most remarkable thing about this article is that it's on the Spurs' official website and the title suggests that DeJuan Blair was on the rookie team this year.
The Hammer
All-Star
Wouldn't be surprised if they've already talked about it. And we end up with Wall, Reke, and Cuz? I shall permit myself these thoughts this All-Star weekend. That is a trio that could seriously rival the one in Miami in terms of talent--- in a few years.
vikinginferno
Starter
Huh? He said he could almost see them working together towards co-MVP, I'm not sure how that relates to what you are talking about.
The Hammer
All-Star
It doesn't and I didn't say it did.
Brick just tossed out the thought of them working towards playing together on the same team in the NBA, at least that's how I understood what he meant.
And now to recap, I said I think that is an enjoyable thought to have and that I will allow myself to think it, especially as it pertains to both of them being on the Kings. I also said I would not be surprised if they had that thought and conversation as well, a la the supposed Wade/Bron plan.
vikinginferno
Starter
Nope, go back and look at the post again. But, there really is no way they are planning to get together. Both still have way too many years left on their rookie contract and neither team is going to trade their player away.
The Hammer
All-Star
Oh yes, you are right.
Funny how I took it to mean what I did!! But yeah, maybe after their rookie contracts. They definitely seem to enjoy playing with each other, seem to have a great relationship off the court (their families are friends and get along), and obviously have mutual respect for each other's games. It'll be interesting to watch how their careers unfold in relation to each other. I personally believe they would make an insane duo.
Amory
Bench
**Just a crazy thought I had. No substance to it***
After watching this game I couldn't help but thing...
How about trading Tyreke of Wall, straight up.
I don't want to lose Tyreke....but to get Wall and Cousins to play together would be amazing.
Heck, sign someone next summer or make a trade for a good SF or PF and we would have an awesome team!
After watching this game I couldn't help but thing...
How about trading Tyreke of Wall, straight up.
I don't want to lose Tyreke....but to get Wall and Cousins to play together would be amazing.
Heck, sign someone next summer or make a trade for a good SF or PF and we would have an awesome team!
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Although Wall was injured a bit this season missing a few games, Tyreke's lingering foot problem makes it "problematical" Washington would go for it straight up. The more I think about it the more I wonder considering wear and tear on Evans' foot if he would be better suited for a career off the ball at SF. He's long enough, plenty quick, and strong enough inside to play the position and would probably be a suprisingly good to great rebounder. I think we sometimes forget LeBron James is a SF not a SG like Kobe, even though with their multiple skills you may as well just call them (to use Reke's expression of his position) "basketball player."
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This stuff has to stop. He's not a SF, or really close to one. He's 6'5" and he doesn't get off the ground either. As a PG we cause massive mismatch ssues, get a huge rebounding advantage, and can switch everything. As a SF he needs help half the time agianst bigger guys, he goes form being a great rebounder to at best an average one, and you get your best, or 1a to 1b wiht COusins, ofenisve weapon physically worn down and beat up.
Kings' fans mad urge to make their team tiny at all costs is just...stop guys. This is very close to working in a big way.
This team is going to phsycially pummel people in a few years. PUMMEL them. Make them cry for mommy. And we want to move our PG to SF. SF, on this team, should be 6'9" and up. Find an identity, live by it. Ours is going to be size, physicality, and attacking the rim.
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
vikinginferno
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^^^
PurpleHaze
All-Star
PF Charles Barkley was not a great leaper (about same as Reke) and a mere 6'4" (although listed at 6'5") just as Evans is listed at 6'6" even though he's 6'5" - but a very long one at that. Like I said, just wonder if he might be best suited off the ball more - quite a bit more.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Whoa!
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
Purple...don't take this the wrong way because you're not the first person I've heard say something like that, but I think people forget with time. Charles Barkley was one of the greatest leapers of all time at the PF positon. He could leap out of the gym, and he could do it carrying three guys on his back. I mean he was spectcular. And a freaky powerful 260lb ball of a body too. Think a lot of people sometimes just see the pile of fat in the studio and remember his last few declining years and forget what he was in his prime.
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PurpleHaze
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Ok, forget Tyreke at SF but don't you (Brick) agree he needs to be off the ball a bit more in an ideal situation? Plus, his foot issues are original reason I thought it might be a consideration. The fact that he's still only 21 leaves us with hope I suppose but I also think we need to be open to less Reke relative slow ball movement up court with even more pounding the ball as shot clock winds down. Don't get me wrong, I love the guys amazing overall game but see some areas he and the coaches working with him could improve offensive performance down the road - if open to minor adjusting.
I guess my biggest frustration (and spoiled more so by Kings share the ball glory days) is seeing Reke just barely make it across mid court to beat the 8 second clock, then pounding the ball looking for a pass but if not there just taking it all on himself. It almost seems like he does not trust that once he gives it up he won't get it back just as quickly for another possible assist pass or break the defense down move. Of course, it's not on every play but more often than I like to see in real ball moving, free flowing offense. Meanwhile, this thread is all over the place, kind of like TDOS banter
I guess my biggest frustration (and spoiled more so by Kings share the ball glory days) is seeing Reke just barely make it across mid court to beat the 8 second clock, then pounding the ball looking for a pass but if not there just taking it all on himself. It almost seems like he does not trust that once he gives it up he won't get it back just as quickly for another possible assist pass or break the defense down move. Of course, it's not on every play but more often than I like to see in real ball moving, free flowing offense. Meanwhile, this thread is all over the place, kind of like TDOS banter
at the video. wow. makes me wish i was around back then.
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Sptsjunkie
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Ok, forget Tyreke at SF but don't you (Brick) agree he needs to be off the ball a bit more in an ideal situation? Plus, his foot issues are original reason I thought it might be a consideration. The fact that he's still only 21 leaves us with hope I suppose but I also think we need to be open to less Reke relative slow ball movement up court with even more pounding the ball as shot clock winds down. Don't get me wrong, I love the guys amazing overall game but see some areas he and the coaches working with him could improve offensive performance down the road - if open to minor adjusting.
I guess my biggest frustration (and spoiled more so by Kings share the ball glory days) is seeing Reke just barely make it across mid court to beat the 8 second clock, then pounding the ball looking for a pass but if not there just taking it all on himself. It almost seems like he does not trust that once he gives it up he won't get it back just as quickly for another possible assist pass or break the defense down move. Of course, it's not on every play but more often than I like to see in real ball moving, free flowing offense. Meanwhile, this thread is all over the place, kind of like TDOS banter
That happens sometimes but not every time. For all the talk about how much he doesn't pass, people almost forget how much and how well he does pass. His assist rate is 24.64% and climbing as he has gotten healthier. He's never going to be a Rondo or Chris Paul, but for a 21 year old he is a very talented primary ball handler.
That Assist Rate is higher than Kobe, Monta Ellis, Dwayne Wade, Eric Gordon or Brandon Roy. By the way last year, Derrick Rose finished the year at 26.97 in his second year at the same age Reke is this year. This year Rose has jumped to over 30%.
I agree we need an offense that takes advantage of our other players as well. But asking should Reke play off the ball more is like asking if Kobe, Wade (last year) or Roy should play off the ball more. They are the primary ball handlers in their team's offenses in their team's offenses and have had players like Fisher, Chalmers, and Blake play next to them. In fact, last year when the Blazers signed a true PG in Miller, it actually hurt their team as Roy and him struggled to co-exist. Both needed the ball in their hands. And Miller couldn't shoot threes to space the floor.
Ok, forget Tyreke at SF but don't you (Brick) agree he needs to be off the ball a bit more in an ideal situation? Plus, his foot issues are original reason I thought it might be a consideration. The fact that he's still only 21 leaves us with hope I suppose but I also think we need to be open to less Reke relative slow ball movement up court with even more pounding the ball as shot clock winds down. Don't get me wrong, I love the guys amazing overall game but see some areas he and the coaches working with him could improve offensive performance down the road - if open to minor adjusting.
I guess my biggest frustration (and spoiled more so by Kings share the ball glory days) is seeing Reke just barely make it across mid court to beat the 8 second clock, then pounding the ball looking for a pass but if not there just taking it all on himself. It almost seems like he does not trust that once he gives it up he won't get it back just as quickly for another possible assist pass or break the defense down move. Of course, it's not on every play but more often than I like to see in real ball moving, free flowing offense. Meanwhile, this thread is all over the place, kind of like TDOS banter
This is very commonly thrown around but to be honest it isn't true at all. Tyreke usually gets the ball across halfcourt with about 18-19 seconds on the shot clock, sometimes even less if they start the clock a bit late. Beno Udrih pretty much takes the same time to get it across, and so does practically every point guard in the league. Do you think the Lakers inbound the ball to Kobe and have him sprint down court with 21seconds still left on the shotclock?
Really this whole "gets it past midcourt just in time" thing (which is BS btw) wouldn't even be an issue if we had better half court sets. I understand why some people want Tyreke to push the ball more, because it could lead to easier baskets and all that. Well I hate to break this to you, but a lineup with basically only one 3 point shooter on it (Beno, Evans, Omri, JT/Landry, Daly/Cousins) and not very many athletic finishers isn't going to be a successful run and gun team. Also, you're not going to see very many successful alleyoop passes from Evans at midcourt. Let's be honest here, Tyreke doesn't have the greatest of passing skills when compared to many true point guards in the league. He can get it done, and sometimes shows pretty good vision, but his skill in passing itself is far behind that of Wall, Rose, and I'd venture to say even Curry.
Another thing, if our bigs can't handle drop off passes in a half court set when they're open, there is no way that they're going to be able to catch one with Tyreke going down the court at full speed.
Of course, the key is to mix it up, that I can understand. So yeah, sometimes you want to see Tyreke push the ball a bit more, but he's doing fine in terms of how fast he's getting the ball down the court. What he's taking too long to do is start his move/make a pass to initiate the offense (usually starts actually moving the ball or going somewhere with it at about 10-12 seconds)
We all want to see nice ball moving, free flowing offense, that's a given. But young teams rarely are able to execute such offenses well and usually rely largely on athleticism/running. It may be painful to watch the team lose because we're not doing that now, but trust me, the practice getting used to playing a slower game will pay off in the future, assuming we're still competing with Tyreke and Cousins at the core.
Section 101
All-Star
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's rather blatantly untrue. Walking the ball up to control pace has been one of the major tactics in the NBA at least since the days of those I notorious combo guards like Stockton. There is a reason they made the 8 second rule.
Ok my bad. I guess Tony Parker, Kobe, Fisher, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd etc. only take it slow when they know I'm watching. And the funny thing is I usually watch the game about 12 hours after it's ended. Strange huh?
gunks
Hall of Famer
Probably a major reason for the huuuuuge point differential between the games with Reke vs without. Not to take away from Reke's D, which I think is the best (perimeter) on the team... Teams arnt going to have the time to drop 120 on us with how Reke walks the ball up.
RE: Sptsjunkie's post:
Most informative! I didnt know his assist rate was that high. I think the reason he has such a bad rep as a ballhog around here is that he has a bunch of bad habits that he needs to get out of his game (not passing on the break, late game wannabe heroics), and because of that he fails the eye test as a passer. Also, while Reke is a good passer, he isnt super creative with it (although he seems to be making strides in that department, as I can think up several "wow" passes he's done this season)...At least not at a Nash/Paul level.
When Reke wants to (and if his teammates are actually hitting shots), he can rack up dimes no problem. I think its just up to him/coaching staff to get rid of those aforementioned bad habits.
est.1999
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Wow, you really have a horrible sense of basketball, don't you?
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