Rockets fan here

[McGradyFTW]

Hi guys. I've been watching the NBA since the early 90s, so it's been about 15 to 20 years. My first loves were Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Michael Jordan, so I'm a born Laker hater in the first place.

It's a shame that the country is finally getting to see the complaints we both have had in recent playoff series. Our 2005 series with Dallas still hurts to this day. 2 in the bag, halfway to McGrady's first advance to the second round.

Then along comes Stern and his cronies to literally rip the series from us, just like they did your Kings in 2002.

Poor Tracy still hasn't been out of the first round yet, when he should have his first round series already in the bag. Yeah, we may not have been better than Phoenix that year. But Stern and his cronies should have least given us the chance.

And Game 6 in 2002, that needs no explanation. The Lakers shot that many free throws in ONE QUARTER, are you freaking kidding me?

Not looking for any sympathy votes around these parts, but on behalf of Rockets fans everywhere, I just want you to know we feel the pain too, though maybe not quite to the extent you guys did at the time since the World Championship was at stake.

Thank you.

 

[BMiller52]

I think everyone here will agree with you but unfortunately neither team will get anything back for it.

 

[hrdboild]

I feel bad about the Rockets thing too particularly because Tracy McGrady continues to get flack to this day for not leading his team out of the first round. Two years ago (the very next season actually) a broken down and exhausted McGrady was talking about quitting basketball and taking up baseball. That just kills me because it sounds the same to me as what happened to the Kings in 2002. Over time everyone forgets that you were cheated and all people remember is that you lost. And how do you deal with that as a player knowing that you outplayed the other team and lost anyway and now all anyone wants to talk about is what a loser you are. And if you complained, a sore loser. Nothing David Stern does will ever fix this. The damage has already been done and it's irreparable. But some kind of public apology, some kind of acknowledgment "yeah we screwed up, but we're trying to get better" would help. I don't care if he apologizes to me, but I really wish he would apologize to the players. They're affected by this way more than I am.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Welcome. Rockets fans should just be happy that Jordan left to go try baseball for a couple years and your team won two NBA championships in a row over Shaq's Magic and Ewing's Knicks - impressive accomplishments. I can still hear Coach Rudy T and his yell, "never underestimate the heart of a champion!" Sacramento Kings fans are used to being depressed are now feeling totally screwed.

 

[hrdboild]

Well, that's better than being depressed though isn't it? I think maybe in a couple of years we'll look at this as a turning point when we stopped feeling sorry for ourselves and started getting angry and demanding the fair treatment we deserve. This crappy officiating business in the NBA has gone on long enough. Something needs to happen.

 

[creAtivetfh]

Well, that's better than being depressed though isn't it? I think maybe in a couple of years we'll look at this as a turning point when we stopped feeling sorry for ourselves and started getting angry and demanding the fair treatment we deserve. This crappy officiating business in the NBA has gone on long enough. Something needs to happen.

I like the way you think.

I can't wait to see what the fans will be bringing to games next season. I bet most of our games turn into something of a nightly protest against the League and David Stern.






(I know my voice will be heard next year

 

[Packt]

Mark Cuban complained and sent tape of Webber moving his pivot foot in the 03-04 series against Dallas, also. It lead to some annoying traveling calls on Webber at crucial moments of one of the games.

Refs are supposed to be neutral but imo you can't be neutral if you're out there looking at only certain players. If there are complaints about illegal screening, they should be looking at everyone, not just Yao.

 

[McGradyFTW]

Mark Cuban complained and sent tape of Webber moving his pivot foot in the 03-04 series against Dallas, also. It lead to some annoying traveling calls on Webber at crucial moments of one of the games.

Refs are supposed to be neutral but imo you can't be neutral if you're out there looking at only certain players. If there are complaints about illegal screening, they should be looking at everyone, not just Yao.

Cuban exemplifies everything we Houstonians hate about the city of Dallas. The smug arrogance, and then the whining that ensues whenever the Mavs lose.

I'm embarassed to say that I live in the same state as that lame city up north.

 

[BMiller52]

Cuban exemplifies everything we Houstonians hate about the city of Dallas. The smug arrogance, and then the whining that ensues whenever the Mavs lose.

I'm embarassed to say that I live in the same state as that lame city up north.

Would you associate the smug arrogance with the Cowboys also or is this just a basketball thing?

 

[VF21]

I like the way you think.

I can't wait to see what the fans will be bringing to games next season. I bet most of our games turn into something of a nightly protest against the League and David Stern.






(I know my voice will be heard next year

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I strongly doubt if many Kings fans will insult the Kings or the Maloofs by acting like idiots at Kings games.

 

[BMiller52]

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I strongly doubt if many Kings fans will insult the Kings or the Maloofs by acting like idiots at Kings games.

Nah but if there is some bad calls the refs are going to face even more ridicule then before during the game.

 

[tradepeja]

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I strongly doubt if many Kings fans will insult the Kings or the Maloofs by acting like idiots at Kings games.

You strongly doubt it? Really?

If I get to go to any Kings game in the next year or two I'll be sure to wear my 2002 Kings NBA champion T-shirt that is in the process of being made

 

[McGradyFTW]

Would you associate the smug arrogance with the Cowboys also or is this just a basketball thing?

Definitely applies to the Cowboys as well. Talk about SMUG. The America's Team label is very indicative of how highly they think of themselves.

But Mavs fans are the same way. When we played them in 05, those idiots were guaranteeing a four game sweep. Said the series should be called over before it began. Imagine the paranoia when we went to Dallas and won the first two games.

 

[VF21]

You strongly doubt it? Really?

If I get to go to any Kings game in the next year or two I'll be sure to wear my 2002 Kings NBA champion T-shirt that is in the process of being made

Good luck with that. I don't know how often you go to Kings games, but it's about the now - not the past. And getting a shirt that proclaims the Kings as winners of the 2002 NBA championships is, IMHO, more than a little pathetic.

We didn't win. Period. We may or may not have been hosed out of winning game 6 but that wasn't the championships. If it makes you feel better to pretend we did, that's cool for you but I stand by my comment that I strongly doubt many fans in Arco are going to make each game a "protest against the League and David Stern," which was the point I was responding to.

 

[Rockmeister]

You strongly doubt it? Really?

If I get to go to any Kings game in the next year or two I'll be sure to wear my 2002 Kings NBA champion T-shirt that is in the process of being made

Being that I was a season ticket holder for alot of years, I have never seen anyone wear a 2002 t-shirt in the last 5 years. So, the next time I am at a Kings game and see someone wear a 2002 t-shirt, I'll come up and say "tradepeja is that you?"

 

[BMiller52]

Definitely applies to the Cowboys as well. Talk about SMUG. The America's Team label is very indicative of how highly they think of themselves.

But Mavs fans are the same way. When we played them in 05, those idiots were guaranteeing a four game sweep. Said the series should be called over before it began. Imagine the paranoia when we went to Dallas and won the first two games.

lol I actually thought Houston would win that series before it started. There is footage of that game 5 on youtube and it shows a bunch of bad calls/non calls also btw.

I agree about the cowboys for sure. As someone who lives in Northern CA it sucks to see so many cowboys fans, half are bandwagoners the other half are your typical obnoxious and smug morons.

 

[JayBird]

If it makes you feel better to pretend we did, that's cool for you but I stand by my comment that I strongly doubt many fans in Arco are going to make each game a "protest against the League and David Stern," which was the point I was responding to.

Maybe not each game, but perhaps a few "Stern sucks" chants (with some choice 4 letter words) here and there would be fitting. If I make it up to Sacramento for any games next year I will definitely chant along...

 

[tradepeja]

Being that I was a season ticket holder for alot of years, I have never seen anyone wear a 2002 t-shirt in the last 5 years. So, the next time I am at a Kings game and see someone wear a 2002 t-shirt, I'll come up and say "tradepeja is that you?"

Haha awesome. I don't go to many games....actually just one ever in Arco (Jan 2004, Kings vs. ATL. My fav player Bobby Jackson had 0 pts....ugh) and another when the Kings were on the road. I'll try to get one of those shirts and wear it if I go in the next few years just for this reason.

As for it being more than pathetic, I can't argue you much there. But so are any sort of protest sign, faux jersey, whatever anyone brings to a game to dispute anything (Dick Bavetta #6 comes to mind). I find them at the very least humorous and sometimes interesting. I think a high-quality faux-2002 Kings NBA champ shirt would be just that. Only waiting for someone to make it

 

[creAtivetfh]

Good luck with that. I don't know how often you go to Kings games, but it's about the now - not the past. And getting a shirt that proclaims the Kings as winners of the 2002 NBA championships is, IMHO, more than a little pathetic.

We didn't win. Period. We may or may not have been hosed out of winning game 6 but that wasn't the championships. If it makes you feel better to pretend we did, that's cool for you but I stand by my comment that I strongly doubt many fans in Arco are going to make each game a "protest against the League and David Stern," which was the point I was responding to.

someone needs to find their funny bone.

since when was the league safe against ridicule whether it be warranted or not. blah i don't think you will ever get me.

and this post will probably be deleted

 

[6th]

If someone starts a chant about game 6, that is their prerogative. I would suggest that the "choice 4 letter words" be left out, however, as that can get you tossed from the arena.

 

[VF21]

someone needs to find their funny bone.

since when was the league safe against ridicule whether it be warranted or not. blah i don't think you will ever get me.

and this post will probably be deleted

Your comments weren't funny and, as is often the case, without the use of an emoticon it's hard to tell "subtle" humor, especially when it's solely in the mind of the person posting the comment. I don't think anyone else took it as comedy, either.

Regardless, none of this is really germane to the point at hand, is it? You thought you were posting something funny. I apparently missed the joke. Oh well. **** happens.

Have a nice day.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Being that I was a season ticket holder for alot of years, I have never seen anyone wear a 2002 t-shirt in the last 5 years. So, the next time I am at a Kings game and see someone wear a 2002 t-shirt, I'll come up and say "tradepeja is that you?"

I've got a 2002 Kings Western Conf. Champs t-shirt that I still bust out from time to time. It's one of the few they printed up in CASE we beat the Lakers...got it on Ebay.

 

[hrdboild]

I think in this case any ridicule the league gets from Kings fans is more than warranted. I don't think the league owes us any kind of compensation, but they failed at their job miserably in 2002 and our franchise paid the price for it. I would wear a 2002 championship shirt if I ever make it up to a game next season, not because I think we deserved one, but because the league still hasn't fixed anything in the 6 years after that game and unless we make a heck of a lot of noise about it, David Stern is going to continue to pretend like everything is fine.

If Stern wants to make it up to the city of Sacramento he can put up 100 million for that new arena we need (and possibly would have already if the Kings were 2002 champions) and maybe then we'll call it even.

 

[ZZE916]

Being that I was a season ticket holder for alot of years, I have never seen anyone wear a 2002 t-shirt in the last 5 years. So, the next time I am at a Kings game and see someone wear a 2002 t-shirt, I'll come up and say "tradepeja is that you?"

I just dug out my 2002 WC finals playoff t-shirt that syas "BEAT LA" on the front. I wore it one day, then realized how pathetic it was.

 

[VF21]

I think in this case any ridicule the league gets from Kings fans is more than warranted.

the problem is if you try to "ridicule" the league at a Kings game, who's supposed to tell the difference between ridiculing the Kings and the esoteric message you're trying to send?

There are ways to voice your opinion that won't reflect negatively on the team we all support. THAT's my point. There's an old saying: Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. If your beef is with the NBA and David Stern, make sure that's where your arrow hits.

 

[Oscar]

You strongly doubt it? Really?

If I get to go to any Kings game in the next year or two I'll be sure to wear my 2002 Kings NBA champion T-shirt that is in the process of being made

Again, by wasting your time in making this t-shirt, you just walked over the Nets as well. But go ahead if it makes you feel better.

 

[Bricklayer]

Again, by wasting your time in making this t-shirt, you just walked over the Nets as well. But go ahead if it makes you feel better.

Well the Nets really did not matter. In the least. I mean there were half a dozen better teams in the West. I don't believe in any of this t-shirt nonsense, but its certainly not because of any concern for a team that was only in the "Finals" by a quirk of geography. Everybody knew the WCF was the real Finals that year. The Nets series was just a technicality.