Rick Adelman is in the final year of his contract

#4
I raised this possibility in the Fire Westphal thread!

Hopefully enough water has passed under the bridge for both parties. Maloofs have practically admited that it was a mistake to fire Adelman and some 5 years later and a number of failed attempts of replacing him, it might be time to re-new the bond.

If Adelman is open to coming back and Maloofs are legitimate in wanting to win, then he would be a great coach to come in, set his system and let us move forward. I think he could make this team into a force with his structured coaching! He is a players coach and I think he would be able to handle our young bucks and develop them into very good AFL players.

Hopefully it happens but if I was a betting man, I would bet against it! Shame as it would be a perfect time for a coach like Adelman to take over.

Tyreke and Cousins with another year of development and experience in the NBA. Some interesting young talent that Adelman could get the most out of and another early draft pick and a good free agent or two.
 
#5
I raised this possibility in the Fire Westphal thread!

Hopefully enough water has passed under the bridge for both parties. Maloofs have practically admited that it was a mistake to fire Adelman and some 5 years later and a number of failed attempts of replacing him, it might be time to re-new the bond.

If Adelman is open to coming back and Maloofs are legitimate in wanting to win, then he would be a great coach to come in, set his system and let us move forward. I think he could make this team into a force with his structured coaching! He is a players coach and I think he would be able to handle our young bucks and develop them into very good AFL players.

Hopefully it happens but if I was a betting man, I would bet against it! Shame as it would be a perfect time for a coach like Adelman to take over.

Tyreke and Cousins with another year of development and experience in the NBA. Some interesting young talent that Adelman could get the most out of and another early draft pick and a good free agent or two.
But would Adelman be able to help us win games, given our personnel? His systems need pretty good passers and outside shooters, of which we are sort of lacking in.
 
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But would Adelman be able to help us win games, given our personnel? His systems need pretty good passers and outside shooters, of which we are sort of lacking in.
I don't think Adelman runs the 2002 Kings offense with this personal, but he absolutely does run some sets with Cousins in the high post. Casspi can hit the 3 or cut backdoor. Tyreke has been better cutting to the basket lately and his elite finishing abilities make that a dangerous play.

I'm all for "getting the band back together"
 
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#8
We should look into this as well as bringing in CWEBB as an assistant to help. BJAX is already with us. Use the past to move forward
 
#9
So the reason this came to mind last night is that we not only need a coach who knows how to help a team win, but we need someone who can work with players who have volatile personalities, and that's really been one of Adelman's specialties. Webber was considered a problem child before he got to Sac. Adelman is one of the few coaches who was able to successfully deal with Artest- he even got the most possible out of Bonzi Wells before he fell off the face of the earth. What we need is someone who can bring peace the locker room. It seems like Westphal is taking sides, and picking Evans and alienating Cousins. Adelman wouldn't tolerate this infighting. He is a proven coach who can get the respect of his players and help get the entire team to buy into the system. So after the big fight last night, he absolutely became an ideal solution to our problems here.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#10
So the reason this came to mind last night is that we not only need a coach who knows how to help a team win, but we need someone who can work with players who have volatile personalities, and that's really been one of Adelman's specialties. Webber was considered a problem child before he got to Sac. Adelman is one of the few coaches who was able to successfully deal with Artest- he even got the most possible out of Bonzi Wells before he fell off the face of the earth. What we need is someone who can bring peace the locker room. It seems like Westphal is taking sides, and picking Evans and alienating Cousins. Adelman wouldn't tolerate this infighting. He is a proven coach who can get the respect of his players and help get the entire team to buy into the system. So after the big fight last night, he absolutely became an ideal solution to our problems here.
I think Vlade and maturation were more responsible for C-Webb cooling down in Sac more than Adelman was.

We must also remember that Rick didn't exactly have a great relationship with T-Mac in Houston.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#11
Rick coached Clyde Drexler and Chris Webber through the peaks of their careers, he could coach this.

But as I said when Carolijna raised it in the other thread, I think it was too ugly last time for a return. Too many egos, including Rick's, would have to take a step back.
 
#12
But would Adelman be able to help us win games, given our personnel? His systems need pretty good passers and outside shooters, of which we are sort of lacking in.
Given another off-season to re-tool the roster, I respectfully disagree. Cousins is both a great shooter/passer at the 5. Evans is a good passer. Omri is a good shooter. Beno and Cisco are solid. JT's a decent shooter/passer at the 4. Give us a lotto pick, a trade or two and a signing or two and Petrie can get the personnel on par with Rick's standard.

Problem is I don't see Rick wanting to come back...
 
#13
But would Adelman be able to help us win games, given our personnel? His systems need pretty good passers and outside shooters, of which we are sort of lacking in.
Thats assuming that coach Adelman can only run one type of offense which is a very wrong assumption to make.

And besides, what we have now is not necessarily be what we have next season. Remember there is a good lottery pick on the way as well as enought salary cap room to sign 2 max contract type players.

The roster we have now will be very different to the one we have next season. Next season we will have more pieces which IMHO Rick Adelman could mould into a VERY VERY good play off team.
 
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Lafayette

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#14
Head Coach - Phil Jackson
Asst 1 - Jerry Sloan
Asst 2 - Adelman
Asst 3 - Don Nelson
Towel Boy - Westfail

Done deal

Trade Tyreke for Lebron and Cousin for Dwight Howard and then we're in business and forget an Arena, lets move the team to Stockton and play in the Hockey Arena downtown, great, let's get it done.
 
#15
We should look into this as well as bringing in CWEBB as an assistant to help. BJAX is already with us. Use the past to move forward
I like the idea of using the past to move forward but lets be realistic- i don't think rick would want to coach us. he looks very happy with the rockets and the rockets are happy with him
 
#16
UPDATE: Adelman frustrated with situation in Houston, considering leaving at the end of the season (possibly even retiring):

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7426055.html

"We will talk about it this year, more seriously, and decide what do I really want to do in the future?" said Adelman, who has been in the league since he was drafted by the San Diego Rockets in 1968. "I think you think about it when you get to this many years in the league.

"Let's be frank, it's been really disappointing the last two years with the injuries. Then when you think you have something going …"
Obviously Adelman wants to go to a winner. He also had a great working relationship with Petrie (maybe not so much with the Maloofs). Kings will have loads of talent going into next season, and Boogie and Rick seem to be on the same page about at least one thing- they want to win, and hate being in losing situations.

Whether this is *probable* I don't know. But at this point it is clearly very possible, and would be, in my mind, the best case scenario for this team. The city could definitely rally around Adelman as well, since he accumulated so much good will here.
 
#17
UPDATE: Adelman frustrated with situation in Houston, considering leaving at the end of the season (possibly even retiring):

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7426055.html


Obviously Adelman wants to go to a winner. He also had a great working relationship with Petrie (maybe not so much with the Maloofs). Kings will have loads of talent going into next season, and Boogie and Rick seem to be on the same page about at least one thing- they want to win, and hate being in losing situations.

Whether this is *probable* I don't know. But at this point it is clearly very possible, and would be, in my mind, the best case scenario for this team. The city could definitely rally around Adelman as well, since he accumulated so much good will here.
It comes down to 2 things really

1. Are Maloofs prepared to pony up some major cash for a real coach (and by real cash I mean $5million + per season)?
2. Are they all prepared to put aside thier egos and move on from what was a pretty ugly break up?

If the answer to both questions is YES, then there is no reason why this can't happen. However, if the answer to at least one of those is NO, then there is snow ball's change in hell of this happening.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#18
It comes down to 2 things really

1. Are Maloofs prepared to pony up some major cash for a real coach (and by real cash I mean $5million + per season)?
2. Are they all prepared to put aside thier egos and move on from what was a pretty ugly break up?

If the answer to both questions is YES, then there is no reason why this can't happen. However, if the answer to at least one of those is NO, then there is snow ball's change in hell of this happening.
ou forgot the most important question of all: Whether or not Adelman wants to coach or not.
 
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ou forgot the most important question of all: Whether or not Adelman wants to coach or not.
I think that if all egos are put aside (including Rick's) and the pay check is in line with the market value then I think Rick might see the charm in finishing his career with the Kings and maybe bringing a championship this time around.
 
#22
Finding that ironic giving how many were on that particular haterade bandwagon too when he left.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.



On a serious note, I think a lot of fans ( and I include myself here ) thought Rick should be fired because we would have never been able to rebuild with him. And maybe saying "Thought he should be fired" isnt completely accurate .. I was OK with letting him go for this reason.

If adelman was never fired we would have never been in position to draft Evans or Cousins. We would have been stuck in mediocroty for years and years until he was eventually fired for not getting us into the playoffs or winning a championship.

He was to good of a coach to stick on a team that had no real chance of winning. And then it would force Petrie's hand in making bad MLE deals to try and fix everything on the fly.

But now that the dirty work is essentially done, with a good young core and plenty of money to spend, its time to get that coach. And if available, Adelman has to be on the short list of guys you want coaching us next season.
 
#25
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.



On a serious note, I think a lot of fans ( and I include myself here ) thought Rick should be fired because we would have never been able to rebuild with him. And maybe saying "Thought he should be fired" isnt completely accurate .. I was OK with letting him go for this reason.

If adelman was never fired we would have never been in position to draft Evans or Cousins. We would have been stuck in mediocroty for years and years until he was eventually fired for not getting us into the playoffs or winning a championship.

He was to good of a coach to stick on a team that had no real chance of winning. And then it would force Petrie's hand in making bad MLE deals to try and fix everything on the fly.

But now that the dirty work is essentially done, with a good young core and plenty of money to spend, its time to get that coach. And if available, Adelman has to be on the short list of guys you want coaching us next season.
Not sure I agree with this.

The reasoning behind it is that we were still trying to patch it up on the fly until the hierarchy decided that its not working and we need to rebuild properly. Regardless who the coach was, once the team hierarchy decided that it was time to tank, we started losing in a bad way and this would not have been different regardless of who the coach was. The only question would have been if Adelman was prepared to go through all that losing to get better?

Either way, getting rid off coach Adelman was the biggest mistake this franchise has made in the last 5 years and I have claimed that from day one. Rick Adelman could have been to Sacramento what Jerry Sloan was to Utah!
 
#26
I think that if all egos are put aside (including Rick's) and the pay check is in line with the market value then I think Rick might see the charm in finishing his career with the Kings and maybe bringing a championship this time around.

Is there much hope of all the egos been put aside though ? is it actually a possibility
 
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#27
I think whether this gets done would probably turn on whether arena issues get resolved. As Carolija mentioned, the first big stepping stone is whether the Maloofs would pay up for the big money that Adelman would demand. They've shown in good times that they'll spend money, but if the arena issues are still unresolved, that means cash flow is still a big problem. Further, if the Kings end up moving there's no way Adelman comes back- he would lack the connection to the team/fanbase, and the Maloofs would want to start creating a new identity and have no reason to bring back an old Sacramento connection.

If the arena plans go forward, however, I'd see this as a real possibility. It means that money will quickly become less of an issue, and the Kings will want to get a sort of Sacramento-renaissance to start happening, and what better way to do that than with the best coach in team history? New arena and new players is perfect for a fresh start. I also think that over the past few years the Maloofs have seriously been humbled by how bad things went and how quick. From the Houston Chronicle interview, it sounds like Adelman was reminiscing about better days as well.

I'd remind you guys that what Phil, Kobe, and the Laker's management went through was far worse. If those guys can mend their problems and get back together, I don't see why it couldn't happen here.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#28
I legitimately think egos are a bigger impediment than money.

I also think that timing and motivations are off -- consider that Adelman is aging, isn't happy that the Rockets aren't going to make the playoffs for only the 4th time in his 20 years of coaching, and it he continues coaching is sedning out pretty broad hints that he wants it to be a winner, preferably one with a title shot to put a cherry on top of his career. He doesn't need or want to coach just to coach. So, we have this young team with a bunch of young talent. That's good. But in order to get Rick Adelman interested to the point of wanting to come back its got to start winning games and showing major promise for the fairly near future -- he's 64, realistically there is no 10yr plan for him. But if the team does start really winning some games, and positions itself ala the OKCs and Chicagos of recent years, then all of a sudden letting go of the coach who has commanded that turnaround and has the team playing well begins to become a risky maneuver. Essentially Westphal has to start succeeding for Adelman to get interested enough to want to replace him.
 
#29
But would Adelman be able to help us win games, given our personnel? His systems need pretty good passers and outside shooters, of which we are sort of lacking in.
Cousins is arguable our best passer and he would do well as a high post distributor like Webber was.. Now all we need is Webber to come in and show Cousins a few tricks.
 
#30
I legitimately think egos are a bigger impediment than money.

consider that Adelman is aging, isn't happy that the Rockets aren't going to make the playoffs for only the 4th time in his 20 years of coaching,
I wouldn't count them out of the playoffs just yet. They are only 5 games back from the 8th seed and 5.5 from the 6th seed with an easier 2nd half schedule.