Ray McCallum Waived

[Bricklayer]

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I have no interest, nor I think would we, I just mention it because of the irony of every former King in the league getting waived at the deadline.

The further irony: the Spurs are replacing him with Andre Miller, who was waived a few days ago. And these were the two guys we had running the PG the back half of last season. And you wonder why we never win?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Somebody should compile a list of all the former Kings that have been waived in the last five years, and then we can have a conversation about how many HOF players in the history of the league do we think could have led those guys to 30+ wins?

 

[pshn80]

We sure have a number of ex-Kings bite it recently - McCallum, Thornton, Mller, Martin, Thompson, who else, there were more. Sorry to see McCallum waived. Liked him. Hope he catches on for another chance.

You don't have to point to these waivers to prove what lousy teams we've had, you need only to look at the W-L records. Remember, mixed in with all the lousy players we've had over the last 30 years there have been many good ones and layers I have enjoyed. It's fun and once n a while we get a win, a glorious win.

 

[206Fan]

Lol he was a 2nd round pick.. show me how many 2nd round picks in 2013 that panned out.

Hell, the guy picked after Ray was involved in an incident where he got shot in the leg.
Guy drafted before him? Carrick Felix who hasn't played any type of basketball since 2014.

 

[Iced Espresso]

Lol he was a 2nd round pick.. show me how many 2nd round picks in 2013 that panned out.

Hell, the guy picked after Ray was involved in an incident where he got shot in the leg.
Guy drafted before him? Carrick Felix who hasn't played any type of basketball since 2014.

Were a few fans who wanted Withey.

Remember having conversations of why we didn't pick him, why the Kings didn't get him with the Tyreke sign and trade.

It may not sound like much, but those sort of guys when nailed can be your cheap deep roster guys. Every nickel and dime helps.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Lol he was a 2nd round pick.. show me how many 2nd round picks in 2013 that panned out.

And yet, we were giving that same second round pick significant minutes, for a significant stretch of time, so what does that say about us?

 

[206Fan]

And yet, we were giving that same second round pick significant minutes, for a significant stretch of time, so what does that say about us?

If you forgot, Ray only got significant minutes last year because Darren was out for half of the season. First 14 games? 9.2 mpg...with 9 DNPs. Last 9 games? 33.4mpg.

It says that we weren't expecting our starting PG, Darren Collison to get injured. Our only depth behind him was Miller and McCallum.

Currently, the Spurs have Parker, Ginoboli, and Mills. McCallum was their 4th string because they had good depth. We didn't even play McCallum significant minutes until we were forced to.

Were a few fans who wanted Withey.

Remember having conversations of why we didn't pick him, why the Kings didn't get him with the Tyreke sign and trade.

It may not sound like much, but those sort of guys when nailed can be your cheap deep roster guys. Every nickel and dime helps.

I think we all want certain prospects. To be honest...if I had my way, I would've traded up for Porzingis in this draft. Or at 7, I might've drafted Mudiay over WCS(would've been a miss). However, I was pretty underwhelmed by the pick because I thought if we wanted to go with a big, we should've at least gone after Turner who has a much higher ceiling. Turner is currently out-playing WCS in every aspect..

We all have our hits and misses. The draft is a crap-shoot, but 2nd round picks are way less valuable than 1st rounders.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Turner is currently out-playing WCS in every aspect..

How, exactly, do you figure that?

http://bkref.com/tiny/s7zma

 

[kingsboi]

McCallum, Andre Miller, Marcus Thornton, Kevin Martin, Jason Thompson all waived this season. Then you add in Jimmer who is trying to find a team for dear life...all once upon a time on a Kings roster. Goes to show you the crap the team has had over and over and over again. I wonder who the next victim will be, maybe Ben McLemore will be a journeymen sooner than we think?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

If you forgot, Ray only got significant minutes last year because Darren was out for half of the season. First 14 games? 9.2 mpg...with 9 DNPs. Last 9 games? 33.4mpg.

I'm intrigued by the notion that you seem to think that this disproves my comment, when it really doesn't. Even 9.2 mpg is more minutes than most second round picks from that season get on average. And why cherry-pick the first nine games and the last nine? McCallum played sixty-eight games that season: before he moved into the starting lineup, he still averaged 14.1 mpg, through thirty-eight games.

We gave major minutes last year to three guys who are not currently in the league; it's alarming that people still ask why a guy like Cousins hasn't won yet?

 

[Larry89]

Ray McCallum was such a good guard though guys

 

[Sac.Kings]

People are finally starting to see that Ray just isn't very good. We are in a sad state, ladies and gentlemen... Just reading all these posts makes me wonder how we all managed to be here without completely losing our minds. Boggles the mind, truly.

 

[IfAt1st]

The further irony: the Spurs are replacing him with Andre Miller, who was waived a few days ago. And these were the two guys we had running the PG the back half of last season. And you wonder why we never win?

The REAL irony here?

That the vast majority of the basketball world (and a strong % of KF's) have swallowed the lie that Demarcus should have been able to get the junk teammates he's had to the playoffs!!

It is truly amazing, the levels of ignorance is reveals in anyone who spouts this Napear-propaganda'd narrative.

 

[lwc]

Somebody should compile a list of all the former Kings that have been waived in the last five years, and then we can have a conversation about how many HOF players in the history of the league do we think could have led those guys to 30+ wins?

I did it in another thread. I cannot remember the title though.

 

[KingsCitizen]

This kind of reality is why people should start trusting Vlade more. He shipped those guys out and Vlade got cursed for shipping players that eventually gets waived at time of the season.

 

[New Era]

Grant always had a huge man crush on Ray.

 

[White_Chocolate]

I liked Ray Mac. I would add him to our d league if he was willing.

 

[peacelate]

And yet, we were giving that same second round pick significant minutes, for a significant stretch of time, so what does that say about us?

It says that the fan base overrates the talent on their own team, which is why many wanted McCallum to start.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Let's not get too revisionist history, now: Collison was injured, Sessions had been traded, and the newly-acquired Miller is nearly as old as I am. It's not like we had a host of alternatives.

 

[206Fan]

I'm intrigued by the notion that you seem to think that this disproves my comment, when it really doesn't. Even 9.2 mpg is more minutes than most second round picks from that season get on average. And why cherry-pick the first nine games and the last nine? McCallum played sixty-eight games that season: before he moved into the starting lineup, he still averaged 14.1 mpg, through thirty-eight games.

We gave major minutes last year to three guys who are not currently in the league; it's alarming that people still ask why a guy like Cousins hasn't won yet?

How am I cherry-picking stats?

Guess what, McCallum averaged 8mpg on the Spurs.

McCallum didn't even have a big role on this team until Collison went down. Is that not true?

 

[Boogie_Fever]

The REAL irony here?

That the vast majority of the basketball world (and a strong % of KF's) have swallowed the lie that Demarcus should have been able to get the junk teammates he's had to the playoffs!!

It is truly amazing, the levels of ignorance is reveals in anyone who spouts this Napear-propaganda'd narrative.

It's easier to say that than actually do a thorough analysis of what is actually happening here. This organization from the Maloofs to now Vivek have failed Demarcus Cousins and are currently wasting his prime. Its crazy that he is supremely loyal to this city and to this organization. I don't think he will stay with this organization past his current contract unless they start winning and can prove that it is sustainable. If it looks like this team is not going to make the playoffs next season, they need to move him and get as much as they can for him.

 

[206Fan]

How, exactly, do you figure that?

http://bkref.com/tiny/s7zma

Turner is only 20yearsold. He has an amazing offensive game. He can score from inside and out. He's a rim protector just like WCS. He's a better rebounder too. WCS just clashes the offensive glass better.

He's better than WCS in almost every aspect of basketball. There's no debate about it at all.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Turner is only 20yearsold.

That's all well and good, but has very little to do with your original assertion that "Turner is currently out-playing WCS in every aspect.."

He has an amazing offensive game. He can score from inside and out.

I will give you that Turner is better at scoring. No one's buying WCS for his offense, although I'm quite happy with his .624 TS%.

He's a rim protector just like WCS.

He blocks more shots, yes, but WCS FG% allowed is 46.9, which is Gasol, Duncan, and Whiteside territory (and better than Boogie!). Turner gives up 51.1% against, which is worse than Spencer Hawes

He's a better rebounder too. WCS just clashes the offensive glass better.

I wouldn't say rebounding is one of WCS's strengths, but his rebound percentage is better than Turner's. I'm not sure why you can just write off offensive boards. Is offensive rebounding not an aspect of basketball?

Turner is currently out-playing WCS in every aspect..

He's better than WCS in almost every aspect of basketball.

Ah, you are changing your story now!

And we haven't even addressed WCS ability to switch on to almost anyone, which cements his potentially elite status as a defender in today's NBA.

I'll agree with you that Turner has a higher ceiling, and Turner might be better than WCS at some point, but it is hardly "beyond debate" that he is better at this very moment. WCS is exactly what the Kings needed. I'm happy with the pick.

 

[ockingsfan]

McCallum, Andre Miller, Marcus Thornton, Kevin Martin, Jason Thompson all waived this season. Then you add in Jimmer who is trying to find a team for dear life...all once upon a time on a Kings roster. Goes to show you the crap the team has had over and over and over again. I wonder who the next victim will be, maybe Ben McLemore will be a journeymen sooner than we think?

Beno Udrich is about to be waived too

 

[lwc]

Somebody should compile a list of all the former Kings that have been waived in the last five years, and then we can have a conversation about how many HOF players in the history of the league do we think could have led those guys to 30+ wins?

I found the thread I started with this information:
http://kingsfans.com/threads/demarcus-cousins-past-teammates.63817/

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

How am I cherry-picking stats?

How are you cherry-picking? You specifically limited your argument to the "first fourteen games", where he averaged 9.2 mpg (it was 9.3, BTW, cite), and the "last nine games," while ignoring the other forty-five games he played that season, where he averaged 22.3 mpg (cite). Why did you neglect to mention those games, if you weren't cherry-picking?

Guess what, McCallum averaged 8mpg on the Spurs.

McCallum didn't even have a big role on this team until Collison went down. Is that not true?

No, it is not true. McCallum averaged 14 minutes a game for us before Collison got hurt, from the start of the season on. That makes him a rotation player, which means he had as close to a "big role" as makes no odds. That same guy was a DNP all-star on a good team.

Big role here, no role elsewhere; that's the point.

 

[peacelate]

Let's not get too revisionist history, now: Collison was injured, Sessions had been traded, and the newly-acquired Miller is nearly as old as I am. It's not like we had a host of alternatives.

People were begging for McCallum to start over IT.

 

[kingsboi]

Beno Udrich is about to be waived too

I'd love for someone to give me a big ol' list of Kings players that played with Boogie since he entered the league and highlight that ones that are not in the league anymore...I'm sure that list is substantially large.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

People were begging for McCallum to start over IT.

Yeah, I'm going to have to ask for a cite on that: when I do a search for "McCallum +start", I don't get any results that precede Thomas getting traded.

 

[lwc]

I'd love for someone to give me a big ol' list of Kings players that played with Boogie since he entered the league and highlight that ones that are not in the league anymore...I'm sure that list is substantially large.

See the "DeMarcus Cousins Teammates" thread