Quick! Call the Hornets!

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I was at the Rockets game on Nov. 23. JJ looked really happy to be back in Arco, and exchanged warm greetings with the Kings players. Wouls he like to come back here? My guess would be HELL YES! Especially if it meant he wouldn't have to go to New Orleans...

So who do we give up?? My guess is that NO wants draft picks for the future, and maybe a young player...I would say yes, only if it didnt involve Martin or Evans.

 

[VF21]

I doubt if it will happen because there's no way under the cap to make it work unless we strip the end of our bench... It's just a pipe dream for a stormy Tuesday night with no Kings games.

 

[Bricklayer]

Oh, and JJ is still, even at age 34, averaging 40 min. a game, 13pts, 5 rebs, and 3.3 asts. So its not like productivity is down that much.

Rebounding, shooting percentages, and if you watch ont he ball quickness are nto what they once were. And of course those things are the very reason Kings fans lioked him so much int he first place. Unclear whether a return to our offense could bring those things back or not (whether it was a systemic thing or just getting old same way Doug is getting old).

 

[SacTownKid]

The reality is that the Hornets could probably get a much better deal from someone else. Would like to see it happen though.

 

[albeitrue]

I think Petrie is going to stand pat with what we've got now, barring another injury. Might be just as well, since I don't see anyone we could pick up that could really help us, at least not without giving up a guy we'd rather have. I'd really only consider trading Daniels of the bunch we have now. His performance didn't even stand out against other borderline NBAers.

I love what Evans is doing, he's a mature 26-year old athletic freak who hustles and can shoot, he looks ready for the big leagues.

Martin is a first round pick, and he was great at times this offseason, exceeding expectations in the summer league. He deserves at least a season with this team to see if he'll fit into our long-term plans. You can't judge a player by his scattered garbage time minutes.

Barnes looks like he will have a nice NBA career. His shot's not quite there yet, but he does a little of everything and the home crowd loves him.

Basically, at this point I'd rather see Evans out there for us than JJackson. It's not like Jackson won us a championship when he was here; he helped us out for a season to the tune of 7.7 ppg. We appreciate it, but now we've gone our separate ways and I think it's for the best.
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I have to agree with you, especially regarding putting Evans out there instead of giving up either (as Brick eluded to regarding salaries) Darius and one of the end of the bench. Jimmy has always been my favorite ex-King's player, but there has to be a legitimate reason he has been skipping around the NBA (Hornet's are his 12th team) with all of his skills firmly in hand. Although I was quite excited to hear that Kings MAY have a chance to re-acquire Jimmy, why should we? There was a reason he did not get an offer to stay two years ago. And there's a good reason he was traded, and for basically the same type of player with almost the exact same stats, right?

I could not find any information at all about Jackson's failure to report to the Hornet's, but I did see they have already inserted him onto the Hornet's roster at NBA.com http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=0832.

Plus, Petrie (in his article in the Bee today) seems content with what King's have on their roster, and indicated that there was nothing in the works as far as trades. That could be good news to some...but isn't that what Petrie always says?

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I just found out that Jim Jackson will play today verse the Suns, but with limited minutes. i found that out on Player Notes in the Main Page of the your Yahoo fantasy basketball league. For the Kings, that stinks.

 

[VF21]

Hey, there was no guarantee the Kings were considering JJ...or any reason to hope they would do so. As I tried to explain a couple of times in various posts in this thread, it was merely idle speculation during a very boring night...

 

[albeitrue]

Hey, there was no guarantee the Kings were considering JJ...or any reason to hope they would do so. As I tried to explain a couple of times in various posts in this thread, it was merely idle speculation during a very boring night...

Having skills like JJ's on the floor, especially right now, simply struck more than idle curiousity for some...including me! I normally don't muse much over possible trade scenerios, but wow! Having JJ back on King's, even though he may have some headtrips that possibly keep him leaping from team to team - does sound a bit refreshing, doesn't it? Well, not the headtrips...

 

[KingsFan54]

Having JJ back would be great. But, do you really think he would want to come back here? I would have to say though, that he would rather be here then in N.O.

 

[albeitrue]

As as an aside...Didn't some here speculate earlier as to how Artest would be a good trade to King's for Peja?

Thanks Gawd that Petrie knows what the score REALLY is... (thank you, Petrie).

KingsFan54: Can't believe a player with JJ's background (ballclub hopper) is going to be able to determine where he ends up. Although in all fairness, JJ's "background" - where it relates to the lockerroom - is elisuve as no one has yet given an explanation as to why he was traded from the Rockets. Nor did the King's state why he was not offered a place on the roster in 2003-2004, after giving a great bench playoff performance.

I just can't forget his spark off the bench during the playoffs in 02/03, especially that last game against Dallas (I tried to find info about that, I'll have to keep looking as I'm pretty new at this looking-up-numbers thing). That playa was ON FIRE and seemed to be the only King, in the end, bent on winning.

But like VF21 said, seems like just a pipedream on a stormy, non-game night.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I am sure JJ would much rather be in Sac where he can play and win, than dwell in the dregs of the NBA. Th real question is money. If NO buys him out then the Kings have a shot, but I manot sure they will be willing to gough up the jack. If NO looks to deal him that is worse, unless for some reasonother teams are not intereseted, which I doubt. Nice though but ZI don't see JJ back in Sac this year.

 

[KingsFan54]

I agree that JJ really doesn't have much say in where he goes. I was just trying to think the way he would probably think. The kings could only pay him the minimum, so rather then insult him by asking to except a contract like that, they let someone else sign him for more money.

 

[VF21]

At this point in JJ's career, I don't think it's about the money any longer. I know he loved here and it was actually the first place he had been that didn't complain about his attitude, etc. It's thought by a lot of people that as long as he was here, Wallace wouldn't have a chance to flourish. Since Wallace was the "future," they passed on JJ - and I think they have had regrets about it.

JJ is one of those players who defy description. Watching him, it's clear he loves the game and the competition. I still miss him and I wish him well wherever he ends up. On a team like the Kings, he could have well provided that little bit extra we seem to be in such need of right now...

 

[Diabeticwonder]

The Hornets suspended guard/forward Jim Jackson indefinitely for failing to report to the team.

Jackson was acquired along with forward Bostjan Nachbar from the Houston Rockets in exchange for guard David Wesley on December 27. The trade will not be affected by Jackson's suspension, meaning Nachbar will be available for tonight's contest vs. Phoenix.

"We're confident that once Jim has time to evaluate his situation more closely, he'll understand that we have a great organization and a tremendous coaching staff and that New Orleans is a wonderful place to become part of the community," said Hornets General Manager Allan Bristow. "The Hornets have established a strong winning tradition over the years. We plan to continue to work tirelessly to get back to that."

Jackson has spent time with Dallas, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Golden State, Portland, Atlanta, Cleveland, Miami and Sacramento in addition to Houston (where he signed as a free agent prior to the 2003-04 season). He had averaged 13.3 points and 4.8 rebounds in 24 games with the Rockets this season.

http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/jackson_041229.html

 

[Ryle]

Jackson has a contract which pays him 2.5 million this year and 2.7 million next year. In order for us to get him we would have to include contracts that equal about 2.5 million this year and the only way we do that is:


Trade him straight up for Bobby

Trade him for Martin and probably Barnes and Daniels.

Don't see this happening unless New Orleans buys out JJ's contract.

 

[Heuge]

Jackson has a contract which pays him 2.5 million this year and 2.7 million next year. In order for us to get him we would have to include contracts that equal about 2.5 million this year and the only way we do that is:


Trade him straight up for Bobby

Trade him for Martin and probably Barnes and Daniels.

Don't see this happening unless New Orleans buys out JJ's contract.

Picks are also worth some cash so you can do a first rounder and daniels...but why would you do that.

 

[Bricklayer]

There would be a certain amount of irony to us trying to reaquire JJ with Martin -- then he could go for the clean sweep and have singlehandedly wiped out an entire generation of young Kings OGs/SFs.

 

[Kev.in]

Wouldn't Barnes, Daniels and a conditional pick work? Then we sign Courtney Alexander or Ricky Minard to fill the vacant spot.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Why not just trade Alexander and keep Evans?

 

[Bricklayer]

Can't trade a guy we don't have under contract. And there is obviously no reason for another team to trade us somebody for Alexander who they could just sign themselves right now.


BTW, Ryle is working off of real salary numbers apparently -- I was working off of RealGm percentages. Not sure which is right. Much more doable if Ryle's numbers are right than if we have to throw in Darius (not that I think Darius is an untradeable keeper, just that I don't think we can trade away one of our only 4 big guys to get yet another OG type).

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Just checking; thought I'd read somewhere that we still had him under contract.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just checking; thought I'd read somewhere that we still had him under contract.

Don't think so, I thought the whole point of us releasing him when we did was to AVOID having to have him under contract in a must-pay situation.

He does seem to still be associated with us in some fashion though. Maybe just working out and it will be us or noone? Not sure.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Basically it comes down to a buyout or not. JJ is like Zo right now, in a sort of limbo. It will be interesting to see how they sort things out.

 

[bballagrl24]

Jim Jackson is a pretty decent player...why in the world does he keep getting shipped from team to team?

 

[HndsmCelt]

Jim Jackson is a pretty decent player...why in the world does he keep getting shipped from team to team?

Unitll he hit Sac he was a notorious locker room cancer. Seemed to shape up in Sac.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Unitll he hit Sac he was a notorious locker room cancer. Seemed to shape up in Sac.

Well, as far as why Houston shipped him out(cant say for any other team, but financial reasons for the Kings, of course)but Houston needed another true shooter, and Wesley is pretty much that. They have Mo Taylor and Juwan Howard to fill the void for the type of player JJ is.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Why not just trade Alexander and keep Evans?

Well, even if we COULD, we wouldnt get anything in return for him anyways.

 

[Just_Lurkin]

the thing i don't understand is that NO had an option to rescend the trade after jackson refused to report, but opted to suspend him instead. why would they want to deal with a disgruntled player? could it be that they just wanted to clear cap room? if they or he buys out the contract, would jj be easier to get?

 

[Geoff]

The management should have at least asked JJ if he was willing to take a paycut in order to stay, but that's water under the bridge...

I for one would love to see him back.

 

[jelement]

Here's my .02 on the issue.

If we were to give up someone like Bobby we need to get someone else in return that can put up his kind of numbers. I looked around at some of the cellar dweller teams to see if there was a way to make this happen and include JJ in the deal.

Here's one I like:

Chicago trades: C Jared Reiner (2.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 9.7 minutes) PG Kirk Hinrich (15.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 6.6 apg in 36.6 minutes)
Chicago receives: PG Bobby Jackson (11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.4 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -4.3 apg.

New Orleans trades: Jimmy Jackson (No games yet played in 2004/05)
New Orleans receives: C Jared Reiner (2.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 9.7 minutes) PF Darius Songaila (5.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +8.6 ppg, +6.2 rpg, and +0.7 apg.

Sacramento trades: PF Darius Songaila (5.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17.1 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson (11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes)
Sacramento receives: PG Kirk Hinrich (15.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 6.6 apg in 36.6 minutes) Jimmy Jackson (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Change in team outlook: -2.2 ppg, -3.4 rpg, and +3.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Of course, Chicago would have to like getting the short end on the deal as there's a much larger upside to Kirk than Bobby - but Bobby would get to start and show what he can do playing a full game, and his contract expires next year so they would clear some cap space with the deal.