Quick, before the league removes it...

[NewMonkey]

Well, I hope you're not talking to me, because I've certainly never said that I can't be convinced that Game 6 was fixed.

I'm just saying that applies to you, me and everyone else.

While it's possible to prove that the game was fixed, it is impossible to prove that Game 6 wasn't fixed. That doesn't make it any more or less likely that the game was fixed. It's just a fact.

I'm in the "you can't convince me it wasn't fixed" category. I watched the game. It was fixed. Like you said - it doesn't make me right - it's just what I believe to be true.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I'm just saying that applies to you, me and everyone else.

And I'm saying that it doesn't applies to me, because I haven't made up my mind about the subject.

When I say, just because you've made up your mind doesn't make you right, and then go on to say that I have not, in fact, made up my mind, you can't turn around and say that the former statement applies to me... because that isn't, in fact, actually true.

 

[bloom]

Watching that game once was bad enough; I’ll always rewind that game over and over (and that series) in my mind all the time (especially when basketball season starts) but I don’t want to watch it right now. Maybe I’ll watch it later, but as of right now, seeing how our team was screwed, I don’t want to see that nightmare.

 

[sactownfan]

does anyone else remember S. Walker hitting a half court shot in game 7 to end the 1st half... that shouldn't have counted but the refs did?

 

[kingsnation]

Just watched Dick Bavetta make us use our last timeout because Bibby had a bloody nose.

What a heaping load of crap.

I hope this current NBA administration gets removed ASAP.

Marv Albert: "That would've been a TKO in boxing."

In a NBA Championship game: Nothing.

 

[tubiscus]

And you're certainly entitled to feel that way. Just try to be mindful that because you cannot be dissuaded from your opinion doesn't mean that your opinion is correct...

Gee, I voice my opinion on a message board and apparently I needed to be reminded that it's only my opinion and that doesn't mean its correct. Thanks Slim, I'll consider my ears slapped!

 

[Kingfanpaul]

I don't know for sure that game was fixed but I sure believe it was. But trust me games do get fixed and if you don't believe that you are naive. I know some of the "wrong" kinda people and trust me they do fix games. But it is usually they will pay off a player or ref to make sure the spread is covered, not to make a series go longer. But the people I know usually only do it on football, but I bet there are some criminal minds out there that do it for basketball as well. When the wrong kind of people have lots of money they will cheat to make a lot more money. I don't know if the NBA itself fixes things but I would not be surprised.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Gee, I voice my opinion on a message board and apparently I needed to be reminded that it's only my opinion and that doesn't mean its correct. Thanks Slim, I'll consider my ears slapped!

I didn't say what I said to offend you. But, if you took offense anyway... oh well.

You being able to say what you think means that I get to say what I think about what you think. If you don't like that, that's your problem.

 

[sauce-26]

Even though I know we lost, it is still great watching the great passes from Webber and seeing Vlade hit a three at the buzzer.

 

[VF21]

Even though I know we lost, it is still great watching the great passes from Webber and seeing Vlade hit a three at the buzzer.

If I could JUST watch the good parts, it would be fine. Unfortunately, that's not possible. So, for that reason it's probably a good thing my dial-up doesn't let me watch stuff like that.

 

[tubiscus]

I didn't say what I said to offend you. But, if you took offense anyway... oh well.

You being able to say what you think means that I get to say what I think about what you think. If you don't like that, that's your problem.

I'm not offended at all. I just question the need for me to be reminded that my opinion is my opinion. Does that make sense? I don't post very often, and nearly didn't this time. Did my original post stir the need for your response, or was it just a presumptive reminder for everyone from a moderator? I'm not trying to be pissy about this. This is a genuine question.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I'm not offended at all. I just question the need for me to be reminded that my opinion is my opinion. Does that make sense? I don't post very often, and nearly didn't this time. Did my original post stir the need for your response, or was it just a presumptive reminder for everyone from a moderator?

My response to you had jack and **** to do with me being a moderator. Why, does the mod title have to do with why you're being so defensive?

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

...elbow meet nose...nose meet elbow...TWEEEEEEEET!!! Foul on the nose!!...damn, I hate re-living that...

 

[Fear the Putin]

does anyone else remember S. Walker hitting a half court shot in game 7 to end the 1st half... that shouldn't have counted but the refs did?

that was actually during Game 4...the game where Horry hit the game winner.

The ball was clearly in his hands, but they didnt have instant replays back then. Coincidentally, the NBA installed instant replays the following season.

 

[Viking]

that was actually during Game 4...the game where Horry hit the game winner.

The ball was clearly in his hands, but they didnt have instant replays back then. Coincidentally, the NBA installed instant replays the following season.

"k we're gonna screw you guyz here cuz we aint got it in us to see we made a clear mistake but we'll make it up to everyone else but you next season that cool brah ?"


-NBA, May 2002

 

[KingKong]

This game was an utter travesty of unfathomable proportions. Wonder what RA has to say about all of this. I simply can't let this sleeping dog lie, for it has cost me countless sleepless nights that I want back.

 

[NewMonkey]

And I'm saying that it doesn't applies to me, because I haven't made up my mind about the subject.

When I say, just because you've made up your mind doesn't make you right, and then go on to say that I have not, in fact, made up my mind, you can't turn around and say that the former statement applies to me... because that isn't, in fact, actually true.

I'm not talking about Game 6. I'm saying that the statement applies to everyone in general, including and especially to the person who made it. You tend to be argumentative and confrontational, and I think you ought to take your own advice. (See post about three up from this one). I'm not interested in an argument, so please feel free to have the last word.

 

[Alacron]

I haven't watched any of Game 6 since it happened, so all I have is the general memory, not specifics. Watching these videos I see it was even worse than I remembered.

Was it Delaney making most those calls?
~~

 

[Alacron]

The "I can't be convinced otherwise," "You think you're right," "I think you think my opinion is that I think your opinion is blah blah blah" stuff is deviating into philosophy isn't it?

Here's mine: You are free to disagree with me and be wrong.

I remember I remarked, while watching the live game, that if the officiating were fair we'd be up by 20. The Kings brought their A game that night but nothing was going to change the predetermined outcome.

So what'd I miss while I was away? We didn't make the playoffs, I guess?
~~

 

[VF21]

I haven't watched any of Game 6 since it happened, so all I have is the general memory, not specifics. Watching these videos I see it was even worse than I remembered.

Was it Delaney making most those calls?
~~

Actually, the third official - Ted Bernhardt - seemed to be the least adept at his job that night. Bob Delaney and Dick Bavetta didn't help, of course, but Bernhardt was clearly a bumbling nincompoop.

 

[tubiscus]

My response to you had jack and **** to do with me being a moderator. Why, does the mod title have to do with why you're being so defensive?

Thanks, you answered the question!

 

[hrdboild]

Wow, that was even worse than I remembered. Thanks for posting this again. Fix or not, you can see the bias in the officiating lasted the whole game (though it was certainly ramped up in the 4th quarter) and it's very very unlikely that something like that can happen with 3 independent referees unless something was discussed before the game. Usually when refs make an obvious mistake they resort to makeup calls to even things out a bit. That never happened in this game. Kobe and Shaq were allowed to do whatever they wanted out there short of punching someone in the face (though that Kobe elbow was close). I still don't think there was a direct memorandum from the league office to extend the series to 7 games, but the NBA has a long long ways to go before their officiating could be considered fair and unbiased. A long ways. Instant replay alone is not going to help much.

The Lakers had Kobe and Shaq and a chance at a three peat that year. The NBA loves players like Kobe and Shaq because they're loud and visible and they rake in the advertising dollars. So in return they grant them a lot of favors. It's like an unspoken rule. They did the same thing for Jordan and they do the same thing for Lebron and Dwayne Wade. Because the bottom line is that the NBA is a business and their ultimate goal is to make as much money as possible.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Yeah, I watched it again(for the trillionth time), and all those calls in the 4th were TOTALLY right... I don't know why I tortured myself by watching that again...all in the name of business I guess...

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

"k we're gonna screw you guyz here cuz we aint got it in us to see we made a clear mistake but we'll make it up to everyone else but you next season that cool brah ?"


-NBA, May 2002

HAHAHA!!! And Viking takes the thread!

 

[imabored]

this game was so ridiculous that i couldn't even finish watching the first part of the video.

 

[swisshh]

It always took more denial and poor logic to think the game wasn't fixed, or to even think that the league doesn't try to influence outcomes, given all the events that have happened. It always took more ignorance and denial on my part to just say it was random poor officiating.

Integrity will pay off eventually.

 

[Ryle]

The one that cracks me up is when Mike hit Kobe on the arm with his face. It's either Bernhart or Delaney who is right behind Mike and is looking right at him. He can see Kobe hitting him in the face and he doesn't even blow his whistle. It was Bavetta who was behind Kobe that made that horrendous call.

 

[tyrant]

im just happy that this forces the nonbelievers to believe. everyone has no doubt now. the kings were the best.

 

[Superman]

does anyone else remember S. Walker hitting a half court shot in game 7 to end the 1st half... that shouldn't have counted but the refs did?

That was in Game 4, before our meltdown.