Purple Reign says "I Changed My Feelings, I Like This Trade"
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BRAD MILLER is the focal point of our offense now.. Since BRAD MILLER has been out our oupput has dropped. Our offense is designed to run through the high post. That is why Webber got all those assists.. Look at his assists with Philly when the offense does not go through him. I am not doubting that he is a good passer, but when the offense does not run through him his stats drop DRASTICALLY. Look at the two games post Webber that Brad played. See what I mean? Both are 100+point games. So our output dropped because of no Brad, who the offense is designed. Wait for him to come back and our points will be 100+.
BTW, how can you say I am wrong re: the offense? I am 100% right on how it runs, and YES when Brad is back we will be just fine. Have you noticed our points have dropped since we have not had Brad in the lineup? Did you even pay attention to that before calling me wrong? Do you know how our offense is designed? I was calling Webber a ball hog because of how many shots he took vs. how many points he would get us. Which was BELOW avg. Sure he has assists, because that is the way our offense is ran.
BTW, how can you say I am wrong re: the offense? I am 100% right on how it runs, and YES when Brad is back we will be just fine. Have you noticed our points have dropped since we have not had Brad in the lineup? Did you even pay attention to that before calling me wrong? Do you know how our offense is designed? I was calling Webber a ball hog because of how many shots he took vs. how many points he would get us. Which was BELOW avg. Sure he has assists, because that is the way our offense is ran.
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Point is still we scored well, you can criticize Webber for dominating the ball but we still scored a ton of points and had a well run offence, the problem for this team and the princeton offence is not the O, it's always been the D. We can keep up with anyone in scoring, that doesn't matter, can we stop anyone, that's the key thing.
We lost 4 games in a row with Webber in when we scored, 108, 123, 107, 113. Wow thats about 112 ppg, yet we gave up 104, 125, 115, 115, for 118 ppg. It's rather retarded to criticize the offence with Webber, I'll criticize the D with Webber, Brad, Bibby all day long though.
We lost 4 games in a row with Webber in when we scored, 108, 123, 107, 113. Wow thats about 112 ppg, yet we gave up 104, 125, 115, 115, for 118 ppg. It's rather retarded to criticize the offence with Webber, I'll criticize the D with Webber, Brad, Bibby all day long though.
How exactly do you get assist when you don't have the ball in the first place...that would be my first question.
Also, no one is going to run out and double Brad, whether it be in the high post or in the low post. Finley was guarding Miller in the post during the Mavs game and it worked out mostly ok for them. The point I am saying is the Kings traded the only player they have that draws a double team. That could become a real problem come playoff time when D's tighten up even more. That will lead to even more of the 1-on-1 stuff that has gotten the Kings in trouble lately.
And if you take a look at how the offense is designed, it is designed to take what the defense gives...if it gives that open 15-18 ft jumper to Brad or the PF (formerly Webber) they need to take that shot...regardless of whether they missed the last 2 or 5 or 8. When Webber and Brad hit those shots, that brings the opposing team's bigs out which then opens the lane for all of those back cuts and dives that we love so much.
But I will stop there...you are going to hate Webber whether or not I throw logic at you...I guess he is just that kind of polarizing player...so love him or hate him, I don't really care.
Also, no one is going to run out and double Brad, whether it be in the high post or in the low post. Finley was guarding Miller in the post during the Mavs game and it worked out mostly ok for them. The point I am saying is the Kings traded the only player they have that draws a double team. That could become a real problem come playoff time when D's tighten up even more. That will lead to even more of the 1-on-1 stuff that has gotten the Kings in trouble lately.
And if you take a look at how the offense is designed, it is designed to take what the defense gives...if it gives that open 15-18 ft jumper to Brad or the PF (formerly Webber) they need to take that shot...regardless of whether they missed the last 2 or 5 or 8. When Webber and Brad hit those shots, that brings the opposing team's bigs out which then opens the lane for all of those back cuts and dives that we love so much.
But I will stop there...you are going to hate Webber whether or not I throw logic at you...I guess he is just that kind of polarizing player...so love him or hate him, I don't really care.
Nobody will double Brad at the elbow? Are you serious? Brad has a better stroke then Webber, I would LOVE it for teams not to double brad when he gets the ball up there. I will agree with some points, but a lineup with Bibby, Peja, Mobley, and Miller will suffice come playoff time.
We could plug in Thomas, Skinner, Williamson, Evans, Jackson, Songalia.. That is one hell of a bench!!!
We could plug in Thomas, Skinner, Williamson, Evans, Jackson, Songalia.. That is one hell of a bench!!!
Of course nobody will double Brad at the elbow, and frankly you've been around too long to be trying to realistically claim that teams even remotely need to. It takes one man and one man only to guard a standstill jumpshooter. And of course Brad can't post me.
Our offense was SPECTACULAR with Webber on the team. And people like to whine and complain about it because they have been utterly spoiled over the years. Well prepare to be unspoiled. Pre-trade, we were as prolific as ever, scoring 103ppg, leading the league in assists, second in fewest turnovers, top 5 in FG% (after a terrible start to boot) and roared through February pouring in 107.7ppg -- that's Phx sort of numbers. Every team in the league except one would have killed to have our offense.
Well, since the new guys arrived, we're averaging 96.5ppg, Peja is struggling with all the attention he's suddenly getting (and note: especially vs. the good defesnive teams -- suspect he'll be able to get numbers against weaker squads), and Brad was quite mediocre in the few games without Webb before he got hurt. In fact NONE of our regulars have shown the long rumored "step it up without Webb". The great offensive machine is broken, and quite frankly may never again be what it once was -- we were one of the best passing teams in history, and Vlade and Webb are likely two of the Top 10 passing big men ever to step on the floor. Near impossile to find people at that level. Brad is a very good passer, but he's nowhere near either of those guys.
As for rebounding, with the #12 rebounder IN THE LEAGUE on our frontline we were being outrebounded by -2.5 a game. That was a lot of people's fault, but hardly his. In the first 6 games without him and with Mobley we were outrebounded by...-2.5 a game. In the last two with super-Mo taking Mobley's place and giving us 8+ more rebounds from the OG spot we are at +6.5. Swap out Mo and put in Mobley that puts us at...-1.5 again. Mo is the difference maker -- Darius is worse than Webb. KT is at best equal to him on the glass. Skinner might be marginally better than Miller, but same class. The problems all year in rebounding have NOT primarily been from the starting frontline (where we actually had the #2 rebounding duo in the league -- if you get nearly 20rebs/game from your starting frontcourt you should be a lot better than we have been) its been from the OG/SF spots, and with Darius as a weak rebounding third big man. When everybody is healthy, not much has changed.
We are surviving, but hardly thriving. Thus far the evidence seems to suggest that we can play our backups, rebound and maybe play defense (that was absent on the roadtrip no matter who was starting but suddenly emerged when we got to Arco and started Mo), or we can play our starters, and be a somewhat less talented version of non-defending, non-rebounding selves. Either way we squeak by in most of our victories, and are subject to flameouts either by losing shootouts or having the offense collapse in on itself depending on who we are starting. We should be a good team once everything is settled (and history suggests it may not be this year -- teams rarely experience turnover like this mid year, and the ones that do never make any noise) but we aren't a serious threat to the elite teams at this point.
And really, I'm ok with that -- there were a few dangerous points in this recent span when things could have spiraled out of control, but at this point we've stablilized enough to save our dignity. That's enough for what's left of the team this year. Get into the playoffs, try to steal a round, or at least put up a respectable showing if you can't. And get into the summer to lick our wounds and get to the serious retooling.
Our offense was SPECTACULAR with Webber on the team. And people like to whine and complain about it because they have been utterly spoiled over the years. Well prepare to be unspoiled. Pre-trade, we were as prolific as ever, scoring 103ppg, leading the league in assists, second in fewest turnovers, top 5 in FG% (after a terrible start to boot) and roared through February pouring in 107.7ppg -- that's Phx sort of numbers. Every team in the league except one would have killed to have our offense.
Well, since the new guys arrived, we're averaging 96.5ppg, Peja is struggling with all the attention he's suddenly getting (and note: especially vs. the good defesnive teams -- suspect he'll be able to get numbers against weaker squads), and Brad was quite mediocre in the few games without Webb before he got hurt. In fact NONE of our regulars have shown the long rumored "step it up without Webb". The great offensive machine is broken, and quite frankly may never again be what it once was -- we were one of the best passing teams in history, and Vlade and Webb are likely two of the Top 10 passing big men ever to step on the floor. Near impossile to find people at that level. Brad is a very good passer, but he's nowhere near either of those guys.
As for rebounding, with the #12 rebounder IN THE LEAGUE on our frontline we were being outrebounded by -2.5 a game. That was a lot of people's fault, but hardly his. In the first 6 games without him and with Mobley we were outrebounded by...-2.5 a game. In the last two with super-Mo taking Mobley's place and giving us 8+ more rebounds from the OG spot we are at +6.5. Swap out Mo and put in Mobley that puts us at...-1.5 again. Mo is the difference maker -- Darius is worse than Webb. KT is at best equal to him on the glass. Skinner might be marginally better than Miller, but same class. The problems all year in rebounding have NOT primarily been from the starting frontline (where we actually had the #2 rebounding duo in the league -- if you get nearly 20rebs/game from your starting frontcourt you should be a lot better than we have been) its been from the OG/SF spots, and with Darius as a weak rebounding third big man. When everybody is healthy, not much has changed.
We are surviving, but hardly thriving. Thus far the evidence seems to suggest that we can play our backups, rebound and maybe play defense (that was absent on the roadtrip no matter who was starting but suddenly emerged when we got to Arco and started Mo), or we can play our starters, and be a somewhat less talented version of non-defending, non-rebounding selves. Either way we squeak by in most of our victories, and are subject to flameouts either by losing shootouts or having the offense collapse in on itself depending on who we are starting. We should be a good team once everything is settled (and history suggests it may not be this year -- teams rarely experience turnover like this mid year, and the ones that do never make any noise) but we aren't a serious threat to the elite teams at this point.
And really, I'm ok with that -- there were a few dangerous points in this recent span when things could have spiraled out of control, but at this point we've stablilized enough to save our dignity. That's enough for what's left of the team this year. Get into the playoffs, try to steal a round, or at least put up a respectable showing if you can't. And get into the summer to lick our wounds and get to the serious retooling.
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That's not the impression I got from his post. It was great, some would say realistic, but I didn't hear anything about the beginning of "the exciting era."
I prefer to think that anything can happen in the playoffs, and although unlikely, a deep run is not entirely out of the question, whether on paper or not. Its about who's hot in June that counts, not stats 2-3 weeks after a huge trade. I don't think you can judge our offense after 7 games where the we've been battling injuries the whole time...
I prefer to think that anything can happen in the playoffs, and although unlikely, a deep run is not entirely out of the question, whether on paper or not. Its about who's hot in June that counts, not stats 2-3 weeks after a huge trade. I don't think you can judge our offense after 7 games where the we've been battling injuries the whole time...
