PROGRAM ALERT: Geoff Petrie on Sportsline 1140 within the Hour
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SLAB
Hall of Famer
Because our bench is terrible.
If Jason Hart and a little money not saved is the cost of having a true sparkplug off the bench, I see very little risk.
I mean, common.
Salmons cannot play/score consistantly.
Douby isn't ready.
Cisco is lost 95% of the time.
And it's not like we're giving away the cap room for some old man who could never help a future cause...Flip is stall a pretty young guy...Then you look at the talent level of the players, and it esnt really close.
Also, it's not like the one million that comes off the book from Hart is going to help us bring in a superstar...I just don't think his contract is enough to matter.
The contracts coming off the books that mean anything, at least to me, are Corliss and Pot...As long as we dont trade those for a stop-gap soultion that hurts in the long-run, Im fine.
Mike0476
Starter
The Maloofs have David Stern working on getting us a new arena. In a perfect world, Stern could announce this during the NBA Lottery, "The first/second pick of the 2007 NBA Draft goes to....the Sacramento Kings!"
Hart's agent argument is that Hart would help the offense.
...right...
3/1 ratio doesn't mean anything when that total of 3 assists and 1 turnover probably took three games to accumulate last year. When Hart enters a game, the offense DIES. He is a defensive player and that's pretty much it.
...right...
3/1 ratio doesn't mean anything when that total of 3 assists and 1 turnover probably took three games to accumulate last year. When Hart enters a game, the offense DIES. He is a defensive player and that's pretty much it.
nbrans
All-Star
Flip Murray is averaging 7.3 points on 38% shooting, 1.9 rebounds, 2.6 assists. Salmons is averaging 9.2 points on 46% shooting, 3.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists, and he plays much better defense. They're the same age, 27.
I understand your frustration with the bench, but Flip Murray isn't the answer. The Kings need all the expiring contracts they can get for trades and free agency.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
Im not saying Murray is the answer, Im just saying at that price I think it's pretty stupid to not do it.
Im well aware this isn't a move that makes us playoff contenders or perenial winners again, I just think if a talented player is that easily available you gotta jump.
I mean, a key part of having a good team is having talent in the system, and he would be a nice roleplayer off the bench.
But thats just me.
SacKings384
Starter
You're thinking like the New York Knicks. "We can get Steve Francis for almost nothing?! Let's do it! He's really good!" "Stephon Marbury for free?! We need a point guard!" Patch jobs never work.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
The difference here being Steph and Stevie put the Knicks in salary cap hell...They traded away HUGE enders and much much more valuble pieces to aquire these guys.
Jason Hart's contract is pennies in the NBA world...As is Flip Murrays, and he just comes off the books the very next year if it catastrophically fails.
Packt
Starter
Heh, if we could just get ourselves in better position maybe Stern will freeze something for us.
Mike0476
Starter
At the rate we're going, it's looking better and better with each passing day. I have a feeling we will fall some where in between the 7th and 12th picks.
AleksandarN
Starter
They have for a while now and yet Petrie still gets the blame for the lack of direction this team has. The Maloofs started it with the Webber trade and it seems that they are begginning to call more and more shots. Would not be surprised to see Geoff quitn in a year if this keeps continuing.
SacKings384
Starter
Perhaps you are right. It originally sounded like a massive no brainer to me. But then after a few moments I kind of figured it really wouldn't make any difference and we have enough guards as it is. He is pretty good and he could have been a scoring spark off of the bench. But regardless it isn't something I would lose sleep over because it really wouldn't have made a difference.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
I don't think we will really know who is for or against rebuilding until at least the trade deadline if not this summer. I know a lot of fans are looking for direction from management and want to hear that we are going to start scrapping parts and rebuilding; however that wouldn't be a very smart thing for them to say. Typically showing your hand and letting other teams know that you need to dump parts is the best way to ensure your top offer will be for $.75 on the $1. Petrie has never given away his moves and isn't likely to start now. Certainly we can continue to try to read way too much into his quotes, but even if he is planning a fire sale he will keep it mum and try to get as much value for his players as possible.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Actually going with a new younger coach only makes sense if you're rebuilding, I would think. I know that's not what they said at the time, but maybe...
Mike0476
Starter
I figured since we're kind of on the subject of what's going on with the team's direction and who's really calling the shots within the Kings organization, let's take a look back at history...because after all, you either learn from it or it has a funny way of repeating itself.
Petrie nearly resigned from the Kings in January 1999 -
THOMAS FALLS A BIT SHORT
HE FAILS TO FIND SUCCESS WITH KINGS
The Sacramento Bee
January 16, 1999
Author: Mark Kreidler Bee Sports Columnist
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"Still, in reflecting on his turbulent tenure, Thomas figured that it may have been his naivete about life in the NBA that set him back the furthest.
"If you get out the old (news) clippings, you'll see that when we took over, I truly believed and expected that we would be in the NBA Finals in three to four years," Thomas said. "I had no idea about the salary cap and a lot of other impeding things.
"And, like every other fan, I said: "Well, hey, why don't we trade and get Michael Jordan? And we'll just give them a couple of draft picks.'. . . It's a little more complicated - a lot more complicated - than the ordinary sports fan (believes), and of course it's getting more complicated."
Formally chastened, Thomas initiated a series of efforts to change the franchise's direction. In 1994, he hired Geoff Petrie as his vice president of basketball operations, and two seasons later the Kings made their lone playoff appearance this decade.
Coach Garry St. Jean was fired less than a full season later, replaced by Eddie Jordan, who himself was dismissed in the middle of the recently ended lockout. Thomas, meanwhile, came under increasing criticism for his remote ownership and faulty lines of communication, which so frustrated Petrie that he threatened to resign earlier this week.
In essence, the Maloof family's interest in controlling the team is Thomas' relief. He leaves with some regret but no hesitance."
Article on why Petrie quit his job at Portland -
LEAVE PORTLAND FOR SACRAMENTO? WHY?
SACRAMENTO BEE
June 2, 1994
Author: Mark Kreidler
<snip>
"This place is still reeling," a Trail Blazers employee said late Wednesday; and sure enough. Unlike the widely anticipated firing of coach Rick Adelman, Petrie's decision to resign in Portland last month caught just about everyone off guard.
Include in that group Paul Allen, the Seattle-based owner of the team. Despite differences between him and Petrie on a few issues, Allen apparently had no warning Petrie was considering going.
"He surprised me by resigning," Allen said at the time. "Geoff was a very, very valuable part of our organization, and this very much caught us by surprise."
In hindsight, though, the people who know Petrie well can understand his decision, stunning as it was. Chalk it up to benign neglect by the Trail Blazers - and learn a lesson.
Petrie's distress in Portland had three primary causes: Allen's impending dismissal of Adelman; an ongoing front-office confusion involving team vice-president Brad Greenberg; and the simple matter of a new contract to replace the one of Petrie's that was just expiring.
Of the three, Petrie is quickest to knock down the Adelman angle - "That was never an issue," he said again Wednesday - but those in the Trail Blazers organization acknowledge he repeatedly made his case for Adelman with Allen and others in the front office. And while Petrie might not have departed over that issue alone, he clearly was upset at what he perceived as an unfair judgment of the coach, one of his closest friends.
"It's about loyalty," a member of the Kings' front office said. "Geoff is a terribly loyal person. That's something to be proud of, not covered up."
Too, Petrie's relationship with Greenberg, though not irreparably torn, was becoming complicated. Greenberg, Portland's VP for player personnel, made no secret of his desire to become a general manager - in essence, to take Petrie's job - and that sat badly with Petrie. The day after his resignation was announced, Petrie answered a question by saying he didn't believe "in promoting yourself for another job when you already have one."
There is little chance of that in Sacramento; Thomas said in a telephone interview after returning to his Los Angeles home that Petrie will be "absolutely the man in basketball operations, no question. I don't want to lord that over anybody, but there is no doubt."
Someone should tape this to the Maloofs' office/car/plane/etc./etc.
Why so they'll eagerly hire their own puppet to make their moves for them? The Maloofs need to know their ROLE on the team as the players do...they're best at being OWNERS.
This is nothing new. On a nightly basis he cuts off his co-host throughout the show, and hangs up on callers if they disagree with him... hes pretty pathetic.
LilMissDiva
Bench
I believe you may be right.
Hell yeah! I feel the same way about Bonzi. I knew when we signed Salmons instead of Bonzi, our chances of winning severly dropped. You could also make the same argument for Adelman's departure.
You from LA? I am. I use to get booed wearing a kings sweater down here...now I just get laughed at. That sucks! We aren't looked at as the "competitive" rivals of before.
KINGSFAN-FROM-L.A.
G-League
thats exactly what i told everyone about the dennis erickson hiring for the 49ers... we knew they would suck and the front office knew they would suck for a couple years... then they brought in mike nolan who many believe is a great coach(albeit conservative at times
) and hes gonna be here in san fran for a while as we make a climb to elite status again(which i would say is becoming more of a reality with the pieces we have on offense in smith, gore, and davis)... the only thing is that the maloofs and petrie most likely thought we'd be a good team this year and that muss would be a genuine aqusition.. only time will tell
Perhaps you misunderstood. Isn't that what the quote implied? We're agreeing on the same things here.
most_casual_observer
G-League
Zip.Null chance of Petrie doing that. We don't have horrible players, just a coaching staff that is unable or unwilling to deploy them effectively. It makes no sense to me, logically speaking, to throw away a decent overall group just for the pleasure of assembling another group with perhaps different, but not significantly better components. There is something illogical going on here with the way we are tossing away games. A new set of athletes isn't the entire answer, some improvement here and there, of course-always. But improved deployment and decision making may be more important. I can't see a business reason to blow this thing up though.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
i disagree, this isn't a real core of players. their skills don't mesh and they don't form a championship caliber club unless the patchwork you're talking about is kevin garnett or some other superstar addition. it may be different if miller, bibby, and artest were all 5 years younger something, but they're all around the nba player equivalent of middle age. no matter how much patchwork they do, it's still not going to contend for any championships. we have to start over so we can form a team that actually makes sense, building around a dominant player is the most sensical strategy in the nba. trying to form the next detroit team is not a good strategy. and the question wasn't what you think was logical.
