Preseason Grades v. Warriors 10/23/2013

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Funny what playing a little defense will do for you, no matter how selfish or fugly things are looking at the other end.

If I'd been a little more on task, I would have put the Grading Consortium gang back to work for this one, but as is, just me for one more night. Was pretty damn unhappy with just about everything until midway through the fourth. Bad game plan. Dumb coaching. Selfish and sloppy play. But like I say, then we got serious about defending, with a group of guys who had all struggled defending in this very same game, and that's a time honored path to victory, preseason or not, rarely seen in these parts in a decade at least. Its a very positive sign and way to end an otherwise question mark raising evening.

Oh, and most exciting yet -- John Salmons rode to the rescue and carried us on home. Yep the stinky fish -- doesn't get much better than that:

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Boxscore

Stats: 34min 14pts (5-8, 2-2, 2-2) 4reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Salmons ( B ) -- always the debate what to do with grades like these. Played completely empty first half minutes. Not horrible. Empty. Did not exist. The fish had left the pan. Took one shot I think, missed it. Iggy didn't tear us up statistically at least, but was doing a lot fo little things. Da Fish? Er... But then, stop me if this feels disgustingly familiar, with him sitting on a game long bagel, we come out of a timeout in the third and run a play for...you guessed it, John frickin Salmons. I dunno. he must be one helluva off the court schmoozer. And worse yet? It worked. He drained a three. And a few seconds later he suddenly hits a second one on a drive and kick from Grevis. So he starts scoring in the 4th, at one point treating himself like a first option entitled to dribble down and throw up junk off his dribble like he was Isaiah Thomas or somebody. And as we come back he is one of the leaders of an unlikely group of guys, most of whom had been struggling through most of the game. For a capper, he ends a long scramble sequence at the end of the game by being the fourth King of the possession to get up a shot, and drains the game winning three. John Salmons = hero. Ain't he dreamy gals?

Stats: 34min 11pts (4-13, 2-6, 1-4) 8reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 5TO
Patterson ( C ) -- PPat probably wishes this game had ended at halftime. He was hot early, hitting his perimeter shots and getting plenty of them. Very active and not really having a problem with Lee on defense. Given that despite putting up some respectable numbers I thought JT was kind of struggling against Speights, things looked good for PatPat on the starting front. Unfortunately for him there are two halves in a basketball game. First of all something that had looked evident in the first half became glaringly so in the third quarter, as out of the half we ran another play for Patterson. Then another. Then another. Meanwhile this big ugly guy wearing #15 is chugging up and down the court battling some lurch looking montronsity with a too big head, and he can't touch the ball. And oh, oops, PatPat just chucked up another shot. Oh, and another. And hey...oh, let's feed him again in the corner! Yippee! A Patrick Patterson centered offense! Very key to victory in the NBA. Of course if he had stayed as hot as he got last game out and scored 27, PPat could have made our irrational decision look rational. As it was he began to miss, and miss, and miss. And then he began to throw the ball all over the court. And again. And again. And all of a sudden all those sparkly numbers had completely disintegrated into a fugly distance chucking PF shooting 4-13 from the field with 5 turnovers. And as we fell behind double figures on the scoreboard it wasn't one of those things where you could say somehow being sucky was working. No, it was just being sucky. Yet you will note there is no D-ish grade listed next to his name for two reasons. First, PPat is not a natural rebounder. He's physically weak. But he really actively battled this time out, and while 8rebs is hardly some intimidating total, it represented a lot of scrap just getting to that point and it doubled up a mostly snoozing David Lee. Secondly, late in the game 5 random Kings came together for a very strong defensive effort down the stretch. PPat was part of that group. Of all of them he might be the one where I least remember him actually doing anything special, but he was out there, and our defense grew stifling, so more credits there. End result = this: if this is the offense we run with him out there, I don't ever want to see him on the floor with DeMarcus Cousins again. Bench him, trade him, get him out of the way. But if this is the effort he is going to give on boards and defense, which would be a huge change from the rest of his career, then he could be a contributor on a winning team. Just quit treating him like a #1 option.

Stats: 22min 11pts (3-7, 0-0, 5-7) 9reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
Cousins ( C ) -- felt sorry for Cousins out there tonight. Was reminded of last season when Cousins went on this huge tear in January, at which point Keith Smart decided he wanted to get IT more involved and start running and gunning again. Result was Cousins went into a funk, and never was as dominant again. Tonight was interesting on a couple of levels. First of all, last time we saw Cousins we were running a highly Cousins centric offense and he was just tearing guys up. Inside, outside, passing, he was touching it nearly everytime down the floor and good things were happening. Then we give him a night off, bring him back this game and what? Had forgotten the entire thing? All of a sudden we surround him with a bunch of weenie long bombers, and run a weenie long bomber centric offense. Boogie rarely touches the ball at all as PPat, Jimmer etc. bomb away from outside. And DeMarcus is just a spectator. Every once in a while we give it to him as a passing pylon out near the 3pt line. What happened?? He was doing a pretty good job as the lone boarding amigo amongst all the scrawnies, but he had all of 3 shots by halftime. In fact if it were not for getting lucky enough to get to go at old Jermaine O'neal for a few minutes in the late third, where suddenly he was getting fed inside again, he might have finished the game with fewer shots than anybody except Outlaw and Prince MmmBop, who got 7 minutes each. Interesting point #2, for the last several seasons Cousins has seemingly always struggled against the Warriors. Bogut bothers him as he is supposed to, but also for some reason David Lee seems to be able to get into him. Was tonight's odd scheme because of that? Did we decide to not even try? Don't know. On the other end Cousins was competing against Bogut, but Bogut scored over him repeatedly inside on tough finishes. Interesting point #3, unfortunately some parts of this game began to feel like last year. Boogie picked up a lot of fouls unnecessarily, some I think because he wasn't involved offensively and you just have to keep big dogs involved offensively. But he was also screwed over by the refs in a budding rivalry with Bogut. The refs gave them a double foul, then came back and fouled Cousins out of the game on a play where Bogut not only appeared to intentionally foul him, but knocked him to the ground. Foul? Cousins of course. Felt like last year. And Cousins' calm was not at the same level it has been the rest of the preseason. Assessing blame is difficult here, but some needs to be assessed. Malone needs to quit screwing around and feature him. The refs need to quit screwing him over. And Cuz...well he's got to keep his cool. Despite how positive things have looked this preseason, if every game we treated Cousins like a 4th option and the refs continued to screw him over, I am not so 100% confident in his makeover that I don't think trouble would eventually follow.

Stats: 21min 3pts (1-5, 1-2, 0-0) 2reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Fredette ( D ) -- well, like PPat I am sure Jimmer wishes this one had ended much earlier. Just in Jimmer's case, maybe after the first 6 minutes would have been good. Hit a three as we hopped out to a 13-2 lead, and watched Curry throw up some seriously deranged junk the other way against him. And man, if there had just been an earthquake or a bomb threat or somebody who ate too many nachos, just anything to clear the building at that point, Jimmer could have gone home head held high. But as it turned out, there was a lot of game left to paly, and little of it would go Jimmer's way. He started throwing up wild stuff trying to score inside, we were ball sloppy, and so was Jimmer. And of course Curry wasn't going to keep scrubbing it up all game. That was particularly evident in the early third when Curry blew up and smoked Jimmer, and we just had no answer until IT arrived. Given how up and down virtually everybody is its hard to say that any one game is ever a dealbreaker, but this was obviously no argument at all for being in the starting lineup next week when the season kicks off.

Stats: 22min 7pts (3-5, 1-1, 0-0) 2reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 6TO
Vasquez ( D ) -- continued drabness and decisionmaking woes here. Like Jimmer and PPat, his best moments came early, and then it was a long downhill slide. I wasn't sure what was going on early, as a guy who has been pretty determined in feeding Cousins in his other games, now seemed to virtually ignore him. But the shooters were shooting, including Grevis himself who hit two early jumpers, normally his weakness. And the offense was hopping. On defense we mostly had him handle the bigger Thompson while Jimmer took Curry, and Thompson did not go off until the 2nd quarter when he got our rookie on him. But then things went into a long downslide, both for Grevis and us as a team, When he returned to the game he made a few furtive attempts to be more patient and determined at trying to set up Cousins but it didn't last long, and his own offense grew forced. Actually got blocked trying to force the ball through Curry inside. And by the third a guy we brought in to be floor general just didn't seem to have any control of the game at all, and started racking up turnover after turnover trying to...I don't even know what. Half the time I couldn't tell what the point was, or what we were running. Suffice it to say that while Grevis has always been a high turnover guy, we didn't bring him in to be a two turnover to one assist guy.
 
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Bench

Stats: 24min 9pts (4-6, 0-0, 1-2) 6reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Thompson ( C+ ) -- JT's presence at the center of our big defensive push late in this game complicates this grade. For much of the night I thought the dynamic was fairly clear -- JT was putting up pretty good numbers, many of them courtesy of IT, but really Marresse (if anybody knows Marresse's mom, please slap her -- that's "Maurice") Speights looked better against him the other way, and was repeatedly draining his long jumpers over Jason. JT was also doing the fumble thing on the boards, and he was the only one of our bgis to get worked by Jermaine O'Neal. So pretty much I had this down as one of those deceptive numbers better than actual game sorts of nights. But then like I said, the end game rolled around and down the stretch JT was the center, alongside PPat, who normally struggled on D and the boards, Salmons who on and off has a fork in his back, M16 who got lit up by Klay Thompson in the 2nd, and little IT. And somehow it worked, and Jason was a bit of an active presence in there on help defense. So...C+ I guess for the whole thing?

Stats: 28min 21pts (5-13, 2-5, 9-10) 6reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 4TO
Thomas ( B+ ) -- certainly has a gift for making things about himself and now leads the team in preseason shot attempts despite shooting 40% from the field. But that feisty selfish push has repeatedly sparked us in recent games, and tonight it happened again and was a huge key to why we won this. Drew several questionable fouls against Douglas in the late first. Was not passing again but came up with a nice burst of acceleration in the early 2nd that set up JT for an easy hoop. Taking his own shots again and again and not hitting them, and in the process essentially ignored various teammates like Ben, Salmons and Outlaw who all passed through and combined for something like 3 first half shots. Returned to the game in the third and wasn't ready to go, did not D up and Curry promptly drained two threes on him. But Malone called a timeout that really has to go down as the turning point for us. Because the IT that came back out of that timeout was fully engaged in little yip yip dog mode, and he got right into Curry defensively and harassed him the same way he did Lillard up in Portland. The selfish was still flowing, probably my favorite was when he was alone on a 1 on 2 break (i.e. he was out there by himself), and jut as his teammates started arriving he decided to instead try to beat the two guys in front of him alone and carried the ball in the process. Ego writing checks. When Cousins got screwed out of the game, the gloves truly came off, and just looking at the personalities in the game during our defensive flourish at the end, its hard to find anybody else of Ben, Fish, JT and PPat who could have been the leader of the gang. Curry couldn't get anything going (we have repeatedly kicked his butt over the years for whatever reason) and the Warriors scored all of 9 points in the 4th. Capped his own night with a miracle shot in the final minutes on a play where the shot clock was ticking down, IT was clearly fouled, fell to the ground, got back up and off on foot hit a leaning 20 foot bank shot. Grading these sort of messes is difficult. There's barely any pretense at all of PGing anymore (our two PGs together combined for 6assist and 10 turnovers). He's taken 30 shots in his last two games and hit only 10 of them. But you could feel the impact, and in both of the last two games its extended to the defensive side of the ball too. So on the theory that we didn't win this game by accident, the grade again has to be better than the scruffy numbers.

Stats: 15min 6pts (2-4, 0-0, 2-2) 1reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( B+ ) -- now here's a deceptive little statline, but in the opposite way. not much to see statswise, but thought Hayes was very effective at what he does. Was brought in for Patterson and apparently we got confused by the rampant flood of undersized Houston bigs on our team and thought he was the same guy, and promptly went to him back to back for those fugly little flips in the post. Was matched up for most of his minutes against Jermaine O'Neal, and speaking of guys with a fork sticking out of their back. Chuck appeared to magically intimidate Jermaine into a travel when crowding him and forcing him into a travel and just generally dominated him on both ends of the court numbers or not.

Stats: 25min 9pts (2-5, 1-3, 4-5) 3reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 3TO
McLemore ( C+ ) -- interesting game for M16, and again because what was going on is so obvious, and then got himself involved with a defensive hustle crew that won it in the 4th, which has to be a good experience. Was a forgotten man offensively in the first half with IT did the IT. We ran nothing for him, or nothing that was executed, and Ben was repeatedly catching the ball in a position where he would have to create his own shot, and having all kinds of problems convincing the ball to go where he wanted it too. The only hoop he got the whole half happened when out of a timeout we finally ran a play specifically for him to pop open at the top of the key and get a clean look. The bigger issue came at the other side where Klay Thompson treated him the same way Jamaal Crawford did, and just lit him up in extreme fashion. Greeted Ben by blowing right by him to the hoop as soon as he entered, which is kinda embarrassing given that Klay is not supposed to blow by anybody to the hoop, and then launched a barrage of bombs against from deep. Thigns weren't going well. Kid probably had a D type grade at that point, and had been outscored something like 16-2. But eventually, eventually the worm turned. It took a while, but in the 4th quarter we finally started using him correctly and setting him up for shots, not dribbles. He got a little lucky when a phantom foul was called on one of his three point attempts and he drained all 3 FTs. Then we finally set a pick for him for a clear enough lane that all he had to do was circle around Cousins and go right to the rim to get fouled again -- right there on those two plays he doubled the number of FTs he'd taken all season. The defense picked up, as did his, and whatever sophistication he may lack, he's an excellent athlete that was flying around with energy during our big defensive push. I can't go along with the idea this was some amazing performance, but some of that was a really cockeyed offensive gameplan, and late in the game he had a burst and was part of the group that won it.

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-1, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( INC ) -- Travis, we hardly knew ya. He came in during the 2nd quarter, but there were entirely too many guys out there looking for their own shot to bother getting them for a guy like Travis. He missed one open three on a kick, did nothing else I can recall on either rend. Lost the same stint basically to Prince MmmBop after half.

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Mbah a Mouote ( INC ) -- took over Travis's gonna be ignored by a bunch of guys who love their shots SF role in the second half, but did better and I liked some of what he was doing out there. Tried to help us on the glass, and while there wasn't any noticeable smothering going on, he provided some 4th quarter defense before the main crew fully got organized for the big run late.
 
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IT-McLemore has to be in consideration for the starting back-court. 2nd game in a row where they've changed the whole game and brought us back from huge deficits.
 
IT-McLemore has to be in consideration for the starting back-court. 2nd game in a row where they've changed the whole game and brought us back from huge deficits.

In a way not sustainable for Cousins. Well, unless you want to turn Cousins into this guy every night.
 
The difference on defense was how we started defending on the screens. Our bigs started hard hedging a lot more, disrupting their shooters from getting in good rythym. Good in game adjustment by Malone. We started playing much better when we actually were feeding Dcuz in the post. And that's how it needs to be. Also, Benny Mac needs to get more shots in.

The spacing was really bad for a majority of the game but it started to clean up towards the end. Mbop needs to play more minutes. I really like what he did when he was in, I'm not sure if you guys noticed. He was battling on the boards and played good d, exactly why we got him.

Chuck played really good defense and was solid on offense, good game for him. Really didn't like JT tonight. I thought he defended poorly and just had an overall bad game. Same goes for Jimmer and Vasquez. Their backcourt killed us when they were in, but that could have been alleviated with better show defense from our bigs. Also, our bigs set terrible screens when they were in the game.

I'm really glad Salmons made those shots toward the end. God knows he needed that for his confidence.

I think PPat did alright. He needs to hit those open threes though.


Overall, a pretty bad game from us, with exception of the latter parts of the fourth quarter. Our defense needs to be more consistent and aggressive at all times. Better screens on offense is a must. More shots for Cuz/Ben. I'm sure Malone is going to point all of this out.
 
B-Mac continues to impress. played like a pro out there in crunch time.
gotta love IT's energy out there and his defense on Curry. even though he shoots too much, just wish Malone could get him to change that and we would really have something
Jimmer just can't contribute much when he's playing against NBA starters. please let that project be over
 
I wouldn't be opposed to starting IT while GV works the rust and is fully fit. He is clearly not on the level we saw him with NO. What about Hayes starting next to Cousins? It helps him on defense, will likely draw less fouls, and P Pat and JT seem to have good chemistry on both ends together. Also Hayes's biggest strength is post defense, which will likely be less useful going against second unit players.
 
B-Mac continues to impress. played like a pro out there in crunch time.
gotta love IT's energy out there and his defense on Curry. even though he shoots too much, just wish Malone could get him to change that and we would really have something
Jimmer just can't contribute much when he's playing against NBA starters. please let that project be over

I'd like to see him get extended minutes with Cousins. If he defers to him (which has been about the only guy he's consistently defered to in the past), we're in good hands. We already know he works extremely well with McLemore.

Then there's the factor of GV just not looking ready on either end yet. So do you let him get his sea legs in the early part of the year or go with IT, who's playing better than him right now?

Glad I'm not Coach Malone.
 
If IT would move the ball better I don't see why he can't start. I haven't seen him demonstrate enough of that ability enough to put him in front of Vasquez though. If he is out there with Cousins he can't play how he normally does if we want to be more successful.
 
PG: IT
SG: McLemore
SF: Salmons
PF: Hayes
C: Cousins

would not be a bad defensive unit if they all played with full effort. Mc Lemore has shown good defensive instincts, and IT is a pitbull when he wants to be (like tonight vs Curry). Vasquez makes more sense as a starter, but he is clearly not 100% yet and very rusty to boot. Also Vasquez is best with the pick and roll, and Cousins isn't really into that, let Vasquez run the pick and roll/pop with P Pat and JT in the second unit with Thornton or Jimmer giving floor spacing. Theres no way Thornton will be completely out of the rotation.
 
Mmmbob>MAM . Plus Hanson is a historical band, along the likes of Guns n Roses, Led Zeppelin, and the Beatles

Luc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mmmbob>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MAM.

Hanson is to Guns n Roses as Jimmer is to Mitch Richmond. Just sayin'...
 
Still interesting how PPat was largely seen as factored out of the lineup with the signing of Landry and here he seems to be the most featured pf so far
 
Hanson was lol, but they hold sentimental value, they were hot during some of the favorite years of my life - late 90s
 
When Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (that's the name with a twin brother named Emmanuel) was at UCLA many people if not everyone called him Richard. Only later as the years went by did it seem to become a small cottage industry trying out all kinds of versions of the Cameroun natives 7 syllable given name. How 'bout LucRich:)
 
I like Luc for the simple reason I hear James Earl Jones in my mind every time I type it.
 
Boy, listening to Greivis talk, both in his confidence in this team and appreciation for being on the team will really go a long way in supporting him as a player no matter what weve seen yet on the floor. He does have the personality of a winner from what Ive seen
 
PG: IT
SG: McLemore
SF: Salmons
PF: Hayes
C: Cousins

would not be a bad defensive unit if they all played with full effort. Mc Lemore has shown good defensive instincts, and IT is a pitbull when he wants to be (like tonight vs Curry). Vasquez makes more sense as a starter, but he is clearly not 100% yet and very rusty to boot. Also Vasquez is best with the pick and roll, and Cousins isn't really into that, let Vasquez run the pick and roll/pop with P Pat and JT in the second unit with Thornton or Jimmer giving floor spacing. Theres no way Thornton will be completely out of the rotation.

100% wrong. You would stop setting picks too if 99% of the time you never got the ball when nobody is 10 feet around you and the guard chucks something up. This year GV is getting the ball to Cuz on the roll.
 
Boy, listening to Greivis talk, both in his confidence in this team and appreciation for being on the team will really go a long way in supporting him as a player no matter what weve seen yet on the floor. He does have the personality of a winner from what Ive seen

...and for our starting PG, the "floor general" if you will...General Greivis! (Hey, he needs a nickname too!) ;)

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