Power Rankings Week 1 (Ready the toilet paper)

[Glenn]

I know the fans are staying away. Still can't hear an echo. That comes next.

It makes sense because the team as it is now is doing very well. But I've said that 5 times and apparently it will never be understood. Some people haven't noticed that this is the first period of time where Artest, Bibby, and Martin are playing on the team at the same time.

They have won 7 of the last 9. Let's see how this evolves. Maybe this recent record means we're good.

I'm done. No one will change their minds anyway.

 

[VF21]

You disprove your own argument here... the fans are already staying away.

Actually, the fans are starting to return.

If we stay with the status quo we most likely won't be good enough to reach the playoffs. We also won't be bad enough to net a franchise changing draft choice. So the fan following will not increase. Seeing as its in dismal shape at the moment I think sticking with the status quo doesn't necessarily make sense.

Again, you're basing your entire theory on the fans. It takes a while for fans to come back. Remember, the "sellout streak" ended some time ago. The fact people paid for tickets and couldn't get rid of them - as in last season - was more symptomatic of a problem than what's starting to happen this year.

As opposed to blowing the whole thing up and maybe having even less fans than we do now (fans might actually be encouraged by a young atletic team laying it all out there while developing more than an old overpayed team) for two to three years followed by having a young talented core and some money to go get a big free agent which hopefully would put us back in the playoffs for 10 years or so competing.

AGAIN, you act as though the fan attendance is continuing to decline, which is simply not true. Fans ARE encouraged by the heart and hustle they've been seeing lately.

What we are on the cusp of at the moment is the Mitch Richmond years reloaded. Ron will walk at the end of the year, Bibby won't. Kevin will continue to be one of the best players in the league on a mediocre team. Maybe a few teams will have bad injury years and we'l make one playoff series as the eight seed in that span. I just don't think it's the right course of action.

They may not be selling out, but the fans who are going to the games are there to CHEER, not just to be seen.

I know this isn't necessarily what you were arguing but your entire argument was, IMHO, based on faulty logic.

 

[ovrush]

I actually was using Glenn's quote which said that fans were staying away. I can't speak from experience as I follow the Kings from school on the East coast.

My point was only to note that Glenn said that the fans were staying away so we couldnt afford to trade away Bibby or Artest. I felt as though his argument was wrong. IF fans arent coming to see the current product, staying the status quo and hoping something miraculously changes isn't the answer. I think given the facts I was working with this is a pretty logical conclusion.

It makes me happy to hear the crouds at ARCO are on the upturn. As a side note... I agree with a lot of what VF is saying about why the fans are coming back. I wish Glenn had given Sac fans more credit for their basketball savvy and loyalty which is the best in the league. I actually tried to point out in my second paragraph that I dont think trading our high priced "stars" would hurt attendance because I don't think that's why people are coming to watch the team play.

If what VF says is true then the fans are coming back for the heart and hustle and young guys NOT necessarily the winning. I think we all could get excited seeing a young team with loads of athletecism and potential grow up together. I personally would be more excited to see a Kings team win 25 games with young guys who learn something new every game and lay it all out there.

It's all congecture as we can't hop into the minds of the fans without hard data.... however, I personally think claiming that trading Bibby/Artest for picks/exprings/young unprovens would kill attendance is absolutely incorrect and there's no data to support it. In fact if what VF says is true there's almost data to support its opposite.