bibbinator
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Who will be suspended for game 3 of HOU-LAL?
Poll: Game 3 Suspensions
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TheFifthMookie
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I'm sure this poll won't have an anti-laker bias 
LPKingsFan
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Never optimistic about the NBA and its suspensions during the playoffs, so probably just Ron Ron 
uolj
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uolj
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Looking at the replay on ESPN (thanks hrdboild) I don't see how you can think it's so clear cut.Yay! Once again justice is not served!
But that's just my opinion. Even from that angle it looks inconclusive about whether he hit the neck at all.
I think it's funny how every article seems to claim that Alston just reached out and slapped Eddie House while House was "celebrating". Yeah if you call going out of his way to chest bump Alston after his shot "celebrating", then I guess thats what it was. No one seems to mention that part though. Eddie House is just a punk. He was doing the same crap against Chicago. He sucked for 6 games and then hits a few 3's in game 7 and acts like he's god. I hope someone does more than just slap him upside the head.
BLNINJA #81
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If that elbow was any higher.. he could've had a chance at being suspended.
Chest bump or not, Rafer Alston is an idiot for slapping him, and the NBA got that one right.
It is an intentional elbow thrown to the "head area" of an opponent - he aimed high intentionally and just slightly missed. Anyone else would be suspended. Kobe, obviously, will not be. See the shining example of Kobe's elbow to Mike Bibby's nose for another example....the favored one will not be suspended no matter what he does.
vikinginferno
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It is an intentional elbow thrown to the "head area" of an opponent - he aimed high intentionally and just slightly missed. Anyone else would be suspended. Kobe, obviously, will not be. See the shining example of Kobe's elbow to Mike Bibby's nose for another example....the favored one will not be suspended no matter what he does.
Well he has been suspended, but he definitely won't be suspended in the playoffs for anything less than murder.
uolj
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I honestly don't see what could make you think he aimed high and missed. How do you know he wasn't aiming for the middle of the chest and missed?It is an intentional elbow thrown to the "head area" of an opponent - he aimed high intentionally and just slightly missed. Anyone else would be suspended. Kobe, obviously, will not be. See the shining example of Kobe's elbow to Mike Bibby's nose for another example....the favored one will not be suspended no matter what he does.
I strongly disagree with the idea that anybody else would be suspended. I think that idea is pretty silly. It is of course even sillier to claim that "the favored one will not be suspended no matter what he does."
Ron Artest would have been suspended, no doubt about it.
uolj
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Oh, sorry, one suspension 3 years ago - you are right. He is held to the same standards as everyone else.....
Tell that to Bibby's nose, or Artest's neck or all the others caught by a Bryant "elbow" in the head area (and he was not suspended for those).....I'm sure they feel much better about that now.
Bricklayer
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This was predictable, and probably right too. I do think/hope there is one of those infamous memos being sent around tot eh refs saying wacth Kobe's extracurricular stuff for Game 3, but the incident itself was borderline and happened on a loose ball.
uolj
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I'm not sure what the eye roll is for. If you're going to use hyperbole to make a point don't be surprised if someone calls you on it. How many suspensions do I need to point out before you concede that what you said was wrong?Oh, sorry, one suspension 3 years ago - you are right. He is held to the same standards as everyone else.....
Tell that to Bibby's nose, or Artest's neck or all the others caught by a Bryant "elbow" in the head area (and he was not suspended for those).....I'm sure they feel much better about that now.
Hey, I understand why you might not like Kobe. I'm not a fan either. But unless there are some facts that you haven't presented and I haven't seen, your position doesn't seem to be supported by the evidence.
You're claiming Kobe gets special treatment because he never gets suspended for throwing elbows, except he has been suspended for throwing elbows at least three times that I have linked to. And you claim that he hit Artest's neck with the elbow last night, but that's not all that clear even on the ESPN video. So I of course am going to explain why I think you're wrong.
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Heuge
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More people's faces have fouled this guys elbow than I care to count. It is naive to think Kobe doesn't get some sort of special treatment.
Kingzrool
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Looking at your link, It is clear that Kobe elbows Ron in the neck simply by the momentum change in Rons head. It is obviously thrown back in a manner that would not occur if the contact was only on the chest. Look at it a couple more times, the shot from under the basket makes it unmistakable.
And noone around here cares that much, but it would not be hard to come up with multiple infractions that Kobe got away with for each one that he did not. And I am sure the evidence points to the more important the game, the more unlikely the suspension.
Here is my favorite bit from the link you provided.
hmmmmm. Wasn't it Crawford that ejected Artest?
uolj
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You guys and your conspiracy theories. 
I actually just got home and turned on the Cavs-Hawks game. They showed the clip at halftime, so I went through it one frame at a time on my DVR. The elbow caught Artest on the chest below the shoulder. It's possible that the top of the upper arm also it Artest's neck and Adam's apple, although that's not conclusive. So where in the rules does it state that an elbow to the upper chest should be a suspension?
Crawford can be an idiot and was wrong to eject Artest, but what does that have to do with the conversation? How does the fact that Crawford gives special (but worse) treatment to a superstar in Duncan evidence that he or the league was doing the same thing (but positive for Bryant) in this game?
And you guys keep claiming that Kobe elbows people's faces but doesn't get suspended but you don't want to provide examples. There's only one example given that fits that profile (Bibby) and I can think of another (Christie), but both have clear and non-conspiratorial reasons why they weren't suspensions. I took 30 seconds and found three examples of elbows that led to suspensions, including two that were controversial because many thought he shouldn't have been suspended but was.
Sorry to rain on your parades, but I don't see the point in crying favoritism just because you don't like him.
I actually just got home and turned on the Cavs-Hawks game. They showed the clip at halftime, so I went through it one frame at a time on my DVR. The elbow caught Artest on the chest below the shoulder. It's possible that the top of the upper arm also it Artest's neck and Adam's apple, although that's not conclusive. So where in the rules does it state that an elbow to the upper chest should be a suspension?
Crawford can be an idiot and was wrong to eject Artest, but what does that have to do with the conversation? How does the fact that Crawford gives special (but worse) treatment to a superstar in Duncan evidence that he or the league was doing the same thing (but positive for Bryant) in this game?
And you guys keep claiming that Kobe elbows people's faces but doesn't get suspended but you don't want to provide examples. There's only one example given that fits that profile (Bibby) and I can think of another (Christie), but both have clear and non-conspiratorial reasons why they weren't suspensions. I took 30 seconds and found three examples of elbows that led to suspensions, including two that were controversial because many thought he shouldn't have been suspended but was.
Sorry to rain on your parades, but I don't see the point in crying favoritism just because you don't like him.
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Look at some of the blatant examples of Kobe's elbows over the years.
And he only gets suspended 3 times, according to your post. I know he has gotten a rare reprimand for the worst instances, but the majority of them have been ignored from a suspension point of view.
The dude has a long history of this behavior - some people are just calling him on it. He plays dirty - and gets away with it.
Edit - sorry about the music for those easily offended - I always have my speakers turned down so I didn't notice it at first - lots of vulgarity in there - for those that don't want to hear it - fair warning.
NOTE: In keeping with a long-standing tradition around here, I've removed the link because of the vulgarity. -- VF21
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uolj
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I believe he was suspended in 5 of the episodes shown in that clip. I really don't get the "gets away with it" comment after I keep giving you more evidence that he doesn't.
From what I could tell there were five situations shown in that clip that were borderline. There were the two elbows after the shot that hit Ginobli and Jaric. He was suspended for both. There was an elbow to Raja Bell and the elbow to Artest that were borderline whether they were above the shoulder or not (I think the Bell probably should have been a suspension, but it was borderline). There was an elbow to Wade that I don't know much about but certainly doesn't prove your case. There were also two "elbows" with Rondo and Battier that I don't know how anyone could claim they should be suspendable offenses.
So, are you saying that the elbows to Bell, Wade and Artest are all suspendable offenses that were left unpunished because Bryant gets preferential treatment? If so, can you remember any similar elbows that led to suspension for somebody else (Artest's playoff suspension while with the Kings is the only one I can think of that was close to the Bryant-Wade incident)? Or are you saying that because he's thrown elbows before that he should be suspended for any intentional elbow regardless of whether it warrants an automatic suspension for being above the shoulders? Or are you just venting?
From what I could tell there were five situations shown in that clip that were borderline. There were the two elbows after the shot that hit Ginobli and Jaric. He was suspended for both. There was an elbow to Raja Bell and the elbow to Artest that were borderline whether they were above the shoulder or not (I think the Bell probably should have been a suspension, but it was borderline). There was an elbow to Wade that I don't know much about but certainly doesn't prove your case. There were also two "elbows" with Rondo and Battier that I don't know how anyone could claim they should be suspendable offenses.
So, are you saying that the elbows to Bell, Wade and Artest are all suspendable offenses that were left unpunished because Bryant gets preferential treatment? If so, can you remember any similar elbows that led to suspension for somebody else (Artest's playoff suspension while with the Kings is the only one I can think of that was close to the Bryant-Wade incident)? Or are you saying that because he's thrown elbows before that he should be suspended for any intentional elbow regardless of whether it warrants an automatic suspension for being above the shoulders? Or are you just venting?
Kobe Bryant gets away with things like elbows because he's Kobe Bryant. His posturing and strutting after the elbow incident were typical of his poor sportsmanship and the entitlement attitude he has towards other players and officials.
Did that particular play warrant a suspension? Nope, probably not but he should definitely had been called for the elbow. You throw an elbow you get called for the flagrant. He did but he wasn't.
And that, dear uolj, is what irritates a lot of people. He has, over the years, consistently gotten away with things where other mere mortals wouldn't have been so lucky. After a while, enough is enough...
Did that particular play warrant a suspension? Nope, probably not but he should definitely had been called for the elbow. You throw an elbow you get called for the flagrant. He did but he wasn't.
And that, dear uolj, is what irritates a lot of people. He has, over the years, consistently gotten away with things where other mere mortals wouldn't have been so lucky. After a while, enough is enough...
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