Player/team workout information (title changed)

Petrie probably has a deal in place for a late 1st/early 2nd IMO. Maybe we have a deal in place with MIami getting Orlando's 2nd rounder(#37)?
 
Is there some rule that the Kings must acquire every white guy stiff in the draft or something? I do not like Spencer Hawes or Aaron Gray at all. Jason Smith looks decent if we get a mid first round pick somehow. This is like a flashback to last year's draft when we had our choice of Rajon Rondo, Sergio Rodriguez, Kyle Lowry, and Marcus Williams and took none of them. I have no confidence left in our front office at all.
 
hrdboild said:
Is there some rule that the Kings must acquire every white guy stiff in the draft or something?
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There are no non-white guys 6'10" or above in the draft between Jianlian (top 10) and Jermareo Davidson (45-50ish). So we are working out all the big stiffs in our range, regardless of color.
 
I guess what I meant more directly is that concentrating only on the big guys (and unathletic big guys at that) seems a lot like drafting for need and yes, I agree that our frontcourt is pathetic right now and badly in need of help, but you've got to take what the draft gives you. We should be drafting best player available not drafting for need -- especially if we're going into a legitimate rebuild mode now (which we should). Reaching for a center over better players almost always gets you burned. It happens to someone in every draft and I really don't want it to be us this year. I keep hearing about this so called commitment to defense and so far I haven't seen anything to indicate that the Kings front office is going to practice what they preach (other than passing on Rick Adelman and Don Nelson for coach). Petrie keeps saying he doesn't want to draft players he doesn't work out and so far he's only working out centers (in a very weak center draft). I can see it coming a mile away, if Mike Conley falls to us at the 10th pick and we draft Spencer Hawes instead I'm going to have a real hard time continuing to root for an organization that obviously has a very different basketball philosophy than I do, fan loyalty be damned.
 
This is what concerns me about Petrie's professed belief in not drafting players that he hasn't worked out personally. This is an excerpt from a longer article posted here:

Moreover, there's the bigger question of just catching guys on a particularly bad day, or a particularly good one. This doesn't just apply to the Orlando testing either. Plenty of teams will bring in players for workouts in the coming two weeks and are likely to be unduly swayed by what happens right in front of their faces, just days before the draft. Even though common sense says it's just one more data point to add to a season's worth of evaluations, it often doesn't work that way in practice. One good day in front of a gullible general manager can outweigh 30 games of collegiate mediocrity.

For the best example of the lunacy of pre-draft workouts, we can turn back to one of the stars of this year's NBA Finals. Back in 2001, the Spurs brought in a littleknown French guard named Tony Parker for a workout after the scouting department recommended him highly to team president Gregg Popovich.

They had Parker workout against former player Lance Blanks, who was then in the Spurs' front office (ironically, he's now an assistant GM in Cleveland). Blanks was 34 at the time and had been out of the league for years, but he destroyed Parker that day. Needless to say, Popovich was unimpressed.

It was only after much pleading from Spurs general manager R.C. Buford and then-scout Sam Presti (now the Sonics general manager) that San Antonio brought Parker in for a second workout. And this time he did everything the scouts had seen him do in Europe, Popovich was sold, and the rest was history.

It's not that workouts are useless. Teams can sometimes pick up important clues from watching a player work against another player of roughly the same size and skill level, and of course coaches can put players through drills and see how they respond mentally.

But as Parker's example shows, one bad day in workout — due to an injury from a previous workout, or fatigue from all the travel, or may be just a tough shooting day — can have a severe impact. The human tendency is to weigh what happened most recently far more heavily than anything preceding it, and also to weigh what happened right in front of our face far more heavily than events for which we weren't present.

Because of those habits, I sometimes wonder if teams don't end up outsmarting themselves in workouts by overvaluing them — especially relative to the massive store of information they can build up by watching players in more realistic game situations.
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Sitting at the #10 spot, we don't know which player is going to drop to us but we've got to be ready to snap them up when they do, regardless of fit or whether or not we've worked them out. We don't want to be the team that drafts Vitaly Potapenko before Kobe Bryant. Given what has been reported so far and recent draft history, I'm nervous that's going to happen to us.
 
hrdboild said:
This is what concerns me about Petrie's professed belief in not drafting players that he hasn't worked out personally. This is an excerpt from a longer article posted here:



Sitting at the #10 spot, we don't know which player is going to drop to us but we've got to be ready to snap them up when they do, regardless of fit or whether or not we've worked them out. We don't want to be the team that drafts Vitaly Potapenko before Kobe Bryant. Given what has been reported so far and recent draft history, I'm nervous that's going to happen to us.
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One of the articles that quoted that bit about Petrie included a reference about Wallace. In that article, I understood his quote as more of an opportunity to guage the mindset of the player rather than just on how welll they perform that day. I could be wrong in the way I took it.
 
Vlade4GM said:
and yet we still don't have a true blue pass first PG.
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neither do the NBA champs.

Would always love to have one of those guys, but let's not exaggerate their absolute necessity. In fact if we are truly talking "pass first" its a pretty short list Kidd, Nash, MAYBE Deron, but he;s growing out of it. Then just lesser players like a Ridnour, Blake etc. Might be possible to squeeze Heinrich in there. Maybe. (Pass "a lot" gets in guys like Baron, Paul etc. who are willing creaters also not afraid to look for their own shot).

Heck, the last NBA champions to have a high level pass first PG were the Lakers. The 1980s Showtime Lakers. (since then, Zeke (scoring PG, but willing passer), BJ Armstrong (scrub), Kenny Smith (platoon three point shooter at that pont), Ron Harper (converted OG, brought it up, dumped it off), Avery Johnson (actually I forgot about him -- fits the bill, but pretty low level), Derek Fisher (just above scrub), Chauncey Billups (scoring PG, especially during those seasons with less than 6ast/gm), Tony Parker (scoring PG), Jason Williams (pass first, but barely starting quality at this point wiht all the knee issues). In fact just looking at that list I don't know that there has been a single guy to average 8 asts a game for a title team since the 80s. And I like those players.
 
If Julian Wright falls to us...there is no reason not to pass on him. The guy has been working out with Tim Grover and some famous trainer and his shot has dramatically improved since his last again vs. UCLA. Hes got loads of potential, great attitude, and is only going to get better at this tender age of 20.
 
whozit said:
One of the articles that quoted that bit about Petrie included a reference about Wallace. In that article, I understood his quote as more of an opportunity to guage the mindset of the player rather than just on how welll they perform that day. I could be wrong in the way I took it.
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Thats the impression I got as well. But then again there is the Douby scenario where he just beats the shooting record previously set by Pedja and Petrie instantly falling in love with him.
 
1 TeAm DiMe 0 said:
If Julian Wright falls to us...there is no reason not to pass on him. The guy has been working out with Tim Grover and some famous trainer and his shot has dramatically improved since his last again vs. UCLA. Hes got loads of potential, great attitude, and is only going to get better at this tender age of 20.
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So do you want him or not? I think you meant if he falls to us, there's no reason to pass on him. Right?
 
So let me get this right - J. Wright and Green have not been involved in any workouts attended by the Kings, group or individual? If so, it would be interesting to know why.

My 2 cents on the workout issue is that when it comes to a top 10 draft pick, the physical workout doesn't mean a whole lot. Petrie and the scouts should have seen him play many times and should have seen what he does under pressure in competitive situations. The exception would be Yi because scouts have been unable to see him in games with a great deal of competition. But I do think that the workout does give the Kings an idea of a player's attitude, toward the game, toward the coach, toward the Kings. I can definitely see them crossing a guy off the list because he's a major jerk.
 
Kingster said:
So let me get this right - J. Wright and Green have not been involved in any workouts attended by the Kings, group or individual? If so, it would be interesting to know why.

My 2 cents on the workout issue is that when it comes to a top 10 draft pick, the physical workout doesn't mean a whole lot. Petrie and the scouts should have seen him play many times and should have seen what he does under pressure in competitive situations. The exception would be Yi because scouts have been unable to see him in games with a great deal of competition. But I do think that the workout does give the Kings an idea of a player's attitude, toward the game, toward the coach, toward the Kings. I can definitely see them crossing a guy off the list because he's a major jerk.
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Wright has a workout scheduled on Monday since he had to cancel the original one. From what I've heard he has a great attitude and 0 character issues. I think it says alot that he is working out for the Kings 3 days before the draft. Green doesn't have a workout with the Kings though and apparently when Jerry was on the radio he didnt list Green in the 2nd/3rd tier of talent after Horford/Conley or whoever he said which IMO says a lot.
 
Interesting that we worked out 2 Chinese players out of only 8(not counting Wiggins)players brought in for workouts. I wonder if Petrie has something in the works to get a lower pick and draft both Yi and Yue.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Interesting that we worked out 2 Chinese players out of only 8(not counting Wiggins)players brought in for workouts. I wonder if Petrie has something in the works to get a lower pick and draft both Yi and Yue.
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seems like a good idea though... if we could draft yi then trade for a 2nd rounder and take yue we could have something worthwhile.... yue seems like an interesting player with his height and skills... eventhough he cant shoot...
 
Yue has good size, and his athletism and defense is good. From what I've read, its his jumpshot that needs alot of work, but I dont know, he may be another Hedo down the road, which is fine with me.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Yue has good size, and his athletism and defense is good. From what I've read, its his jumpshot that needs alot of work, but I dont know, he may be another Hedo down the road, which is fine with me.
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Sounds like Kirilenko to me. We haven't had a workout with him since the pre draft camp though and he only got a workout with us because Green pulled out.
 
Just for the record, Noah cancelled his workout on Friday, so if anyone still had him on their list, you can cross him off now.

(Woops, no, see following post)
 
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fnordius said:
Just for the record, Noah cancelled his workout on Friday, so if anyone still had him on their list, you can cross him off now.
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Man Geoff must be pissed as hell. First Noah cancelled the workout he had a couple Friday's ago against Hawes, now he cancels the one where Petrie apparently was going to fly out to meet him or something.
 
Actually, it seems that I'm mistaken... very short on sleep & got fooled by a site reposting something old with a new date on it. :o

So... could be worse. The Bucks (#6) got stiffed by both Yi and Noah, I bet they're in a bad mood!
 
so im new to the board and i was just curious if the kings had any workouts scheduled for green or noah? i was also wondering if petrie will draft someone he hasnt worked out.
 
BMiller52 said:
Yeah, you could say the same about Ron Lewis from OSU IMO.
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This is the player I could see Petrie going after.

After that workout that was cancelled by J. Wright and Green in Orlando, we brought in Lewis and Yue and matched them up against Brewer and Thornton. The word from Draftexpress is that we were VERY impressed by Lewis and his shooting ability. Apparently he was on fire and shot very well. Knowing Petrie's fettish for shooters, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Petrie try and get a pick to get this kid.
 
Čarolija said:
This is the player I could see Petrie going after.

After that workout that was cancelled by J. Wright and Green in Orlando, we brought in Lewis and Yue and matched them up against Brewer and Thornton. The word from Draftexpress is that we were VERY impressed by Lewis and his shooting ability. Apparently he was on fire and shot very well. Knowing Petrie's fettish for shooters, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Petrie try and get a pick to get this kid.
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Yeah and he's supposedly a really good defender as well. I could see us picking him up with a 2nd round pick in a trade for Bibby/Artest.
 
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