Phil Jackson talk/rumors (merged)
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whozit said:
I don't think Phil Jackson had anything to do with Jerry West leaving the Lakers. Actually, Jerry West had retired from the GM post in LA and stayed as a consultant while Kupchak took over under his supervision. It was only when West got the itch to be a GM again that he took the position in Memphis. This excerpt is from CNNSI.
"Retirement is terrible for a type-A personality," said West, a Lakers consultant since leaving the front office in August 2000. "I've got to work. I didn't realize how badly I needed it."
As for the team he's taking over, West said, "I'm not really concerned about the history of the Grizzlies. I'm concerned about their future."
West, who turns 64 this month, is breaking off a 42-year relationship with the Lakers. He said he talked with UCLA coaching legend John Wooden and Lakers owner Jerry Buss before making the move, and that he never considered asking about rejoining that front office, now run by close friend Mitch Kupchak.
"I would never put Jerry Buss or Mitch Kupchak in a position where I'd say, 'Hey, I want to go to work again,'" said West, who was seen off by Kupchak before flying out of Los Angeles on Tuesday morning."
If anything, having a qualified GM would be attractive to Phil Jackson, in that he would be able to count on a personnel man who is an incredible judge of NBA talent.
whozit
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That I can live with (not that it matters what I can and can't live withPFFFT!! said:
). I agree that him coming could increase the appeal of coming to Sac. That is much different than
This implies power and I'm afraid Petrie probably gets too much inference from the owners already. I am jumping ahead that a power struggle could cost the Kings their GM.
The big benefit of his coming would be the indication that the purse strings are being opened again. That detail is probably necessary for the team to regain its elite status again.
Either way, if it is for the better of the team, then so be it.
SacKingsFX
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Rain man said:
that reminded me of don't forget mark mulder!
Andriod_KiNg
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Damn, Jackson chilling at the Maloofs Casino ? Maloofs offering part ownership ? Things are getting intresting.
Andriod_KiNg said:
1. Read it again. It's been revised because of a typo. Jackson "chilled" at the Palms last August. So did a whole bunch of NBA types. Means nothing. Shaq also frequents the Palms a lot when he's in Vegas. They pamper the NBA athletes...
2. The Maloofs are NOT going to offer part ownership to an employee, no matter what his name is. It's not sound business practice at best and Jackson certainly hasn't earned the right to be part of the family business.
Andriod_KiNg
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Actually i heard all that on the radio... i guess your right.. im falling in the hype , help me !VF21 said:
slugking50
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Mike Kahn from Foxsports.com and The Oregonian was on KingsTalk the other night and said that he had personally talked to Isiah in LA and Isiah was resigned that PJ will no be coming to the NYK. Isiah had just come from a meeting with PJ and his agent.
KingsRNumba1
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Guess everyone is ready to dump Adelman for Phil Jackson that is sad
Gargamel
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Joker112 said:
His relationship with West flew under the radar, but Phil definitely had a hand in his decision to step down. Phil didn't appreciate West's efforts and he was given some measure of leeway by Buss to nix West's player moves. In his book he wrote the he requested Kobe be traded for Kidd and Marion in 2000. I'll bet money that West was deeply offended by that (after all, Kobe was West's find) and also that he was asking for any say whatsoever.
Jerry West, btw, would never talk badly about anyone, even Phil. It's not in his personality. For example, after all the grief that Van Exel caused, West never had a bad word to say about him.
I read that Jackson's deal with the Lakers is done, but he wants veto power over personnel moves and the Lakers are balking.
D-Mass
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I've always been an Adelman guy, but I keep thinking that to a lot of players in this league, Phil Jackson = Championships. Get a guy like him on board and you might get some good free agents and maybe even a couple of big name players demanding to be traded...to the Kings. Doesn't sound so bad.
EmKingsFan4
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I'm not!! No Way!KingsRNumba1 said:
Bricklayer
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D-Mass said:
You know, I've seen this argument advanced a few times, and yet so far as I know there is not an OUNCE of evidence that that occurs with Phil. The only major free agents I can ever recall signing with a Phil Jackson team were the two geezers last year, and mnay reports would attribute that as much to Shaq doing the recruiting as Phil being in L.A.. But here is a coach with 9 rings who's coached in 2 of the 3 biggest media markets in the nation, including Tinsel Town for the past 5 years, and he's NEVER attracted a single superstar, or even star in his prime to a single one of his teams in all those years. And now we are arguing that if he comes to little ole "redneck" Sacramento that all of a sudden the free agents are going to flow? That's a real stretch.
Quite frankly I think most free agents follow the money, of which there is never mcuh available in Phil's system because it relies on a couple of megastars, and which we have no room for capwise anyway. And in addition, I've got a feeling that all of Phil's "zen" crap probably sells a lot better to the press and a gullible public than it does to professional athletes with large egos who have no desire to have a swarmy egomaniac try to play mind games with them.
I have NEVER accused Ailene Voisin of making up sources. As far as I know - and I've been reading the Bee for a very long time - this has never happened. If it had, she would have been dealt with as this is not something they - or any other reputable paper - takes lightly.
What I have sometimes questioned is how close to the story her sources were. If I've indicated otherwise, I am sorry.
What I question the most about Voisin isn't her sources but her obvious bias against Rick Adelman and, previously, Chris Webber and her reluctance to give either of them credit for anything. In addition, she seems to go out of her way to take a dig at them even if it's not germane to the story.
Voisin would not risk her job by making up sources. I may not agree with her opinions and she sometimes draws conclusions I feel are totally off track, but it is a very serious matter to accuse a journalist of making up sources and I would not do that unless I had concrete irrefutable evidence, which of course I do not.
What I have sometimes questioned is how close to the story her sources were. If I've indicated otherwise, I am sorry.
What I question the most about Voisin isn't her sources but her obvious bias against Rick Adelman and, previously, Chris Webber and her reluctance to give either of them credit for anything. In addition, she seems to go out of her way to take a dig at them even if it's not germane to the story.
Voisin would not risk her job by making up sources. I may not agree with her opinions and she sometimes draws conclusions I feel are totally off track, but it is a very serious matter to accuse a journalist of making up sources and I would not do that unless I had concrete irrefutable evidence, which of course I do not.
Kingsgurl
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There you have it. Phil's relationship with Krause led to him leaving there (wanted more control) he thought he should have 'more of a say' than West, largely regarded as one of the best GMs ever. Would you still want Phil if the price included running Petrie off? (Remember that contacting Jackson was not even Petries idea, but rather one undertaken by the Maloofs while Petrie was under the nife.
Phil is a great coach, but his presence does NOT guaruntee a Championship, especially if you take a look at what, exactly, he has to work with currently.
Catalyst
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Bricklayer said:
Most free agents are attracted by two things, money and success. If you have both, well -- you're going to be a major player in the FA market.
The Hawks have money to spend, yet they have a tough time attracting free agents every year because they've been such a morbid franchise.
Free agents wouldn't sign here just because of PJ coaching, but if he was successful here, people would be asking to be traded here or look to sign with us because of the above mentioned reasons.
AleksandarN
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Let me ask you guys this if you were able to get Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson to replace Rick who would you pick?
Me I would love to have Jerry on our team. Would not see any this soft play that is for sure. Wishful thinking that he would leave the Jazz in the future
Me I would love to have Jerry on our team. Would not see any this soft play that is for sure. Wishful thinking that he would leave the Jazz in the future
Bricklayer
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AleksandarN said:Let me ask you guys this if you were able to get Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson to replace Rick who would you pick?
Me I would love to have Jerry on our team. Would not see any this soft play that is for sure. Wishful thinking that he would leave the Jazz in the future
They just resigned him for another year -- oddly sticking with their veteran coach despite a down season and him having never won it all. Clearly they are fools.
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loopymitch
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Give RA a garbage bag and tell him to go find another career. That's way things are done in Sac, according to a very reliable source.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Or more money from Sacramento...who knows.piksi said:
Circa_1985_Fan
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Phil 9, Jerry 0. I rest my case. Gimme Phill over anyone.AleksandarN said:Let me ask you guys this if you were able to get Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson to replace Rick who would you pick?
Me I would love to have Jerry on our team. Would not see any this soft play that is for sure. Wishful thinking that he would leave the Jazz in the future
Kingaholic
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Then we will be having this discussion next year. The thread title will be "who should we get instead of PJ."VF21 said:
Whether Phil Jackson makes champion teams or simply picks them, I don't think the distinction much matters in terms of results. It's kinda like the chicken or the egg type of deal. If he thinks he can come to SAC and lead the Kings to a championship, then great. Rick's a good coach but Phil is one of the few I'd take over him.
That being said, I don't think there's a chance in hell Phil will be coming. The current set of players would need a major overhaul to fit his system (easiest way is to trade most of em). It doesn't much matter to me if he goes to a team where he feels he can coach the players to a championship or simply get the players he needs for a championship. Either way, if he comes to the Kings, it will mean he thinks the Kings can contend. He has a track record of picking and/or making winners so I trust his judgment.
Of course this is under the assumption that he's seeking a 10th ring and hasn't decided to try rebuilding projects. As to that, I don't think it's indicative that he isn't a complete coach just because he hasn't coached a bottle of the barrel team. It just means he hasn't tried so we won't ever know his full value till he does.
That being said, I don't think there's a chance in hell Phil will be coming. The current set of players would need a major overhaul to fit his system (easiest way is to trade most of em). It doesn't much matter to me if he goes to a team where he feels he can coach the players to a championship or simply get the players he needs for a championship. Either way, if he comes to the Kings, it will mean he thinks the Kings can contend. He has a track record of picking and/or making winners so I trust his judgment.
Of course this is under the assumption that he's seeking a 10th ring and hasn't decided to try rebuilding projects. As to that, I don't think it's indicative that he isn't a complete coach just because he hasn't coached a bottle of the barrel team. It just means he hasn't tried so we won't ever know his full value till he does.
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VF21 said:
give him as many chances as rick had and then give him the boot!
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