Petrie was scouting Kentucky today

Did anybody see Petrie at the Kentucy vs Mississippi they showed him 3:50 in the first half.

He said he was surprised and impressed with the size of Kentucky.....hmm

can you say Kings starting PF DeMarcus Cousins...
 
He is from my neck of the woods. I was hoping he would go to UA. Anyway the last player the kings drafted from the state of alabama was Gerald Wallace.
 
Don't you think he would be a better fit along side Hawes?

Tyreke Evans
Kevin Martin
Donte Greene
DeMarcus Cousins
Spencer Hawes

Does it really matter? If we land Cousins, why not just run Hawes/JT/Cousins in a 3-way rotation (unless we need to go small to match up) and not worry about the label?

It's nice to see Petrie is scouting Kentucky, but not terribly surprising. They do have two top-ten picks (and maybe higher) on their team.
 
Does it really matter? If we land Cousins, why not just run Hawes/JT/Cousins in a 3-way rotation (unless we need to go small to match up) and not worry about the label?

It's nice to see Petrie is scouting Kentucky, but not terribly surprising. They do have two top-ten picks (and maybe higher) on their team.

true, and it would be a nice problem to have.
 
Occasionally, you’ll get a few stories about nondescript “red flags” concerning a player’s character just before the draft approaches. Here, there was already ample debate about the players motor, desire, and character from the start. That’s rare. I recall that with Beasley and maybe a few other players over the last few years and that’s not a good sign. If you are reading about non-descript “red flags” that’s probably an acceptable risk for the size and skill. If multiple sources are pointing out the kid isn’t playing hard, is barely coachable, and could derail a college team … that my friends … is really red flags.

Thus, scouts and GMs are really afraid of Cousins. Nobody wants to draft Derrick Coleman and/or Ron Artest and have him kill your team. At the same time, you don’t want to be one of the eight GMs that passed on Amare over “red flags.” And nobody can tell you for sure where Cousins falls on that scale.

Lots of risk. At the same time, Cousins, Thompson, and Hawes ... looks a lot like A. Davis, D. Davis, and Smits on the 90s Pacers.
 
Don't you think he would be a better fit along side Hawes?

Tyreke Evans
Kevin Martin
Donte Greene
DeMarcus Cousins
Spencer Hawes

Well defensively I think he's a center, offensively his future is at the 5 although he has the offensive skills to play a little high post. The problem is he's going to have below average athleticism at the 4, that's not the team we should be building.
 
The "size" comment is pure smoke. He was there scouting Wall.
Why would he scout Wall?

I mean that kind of seriously. Everybody knows what he's about, and everybody knows he's going #1. In a lot of ways you don't even have to bother. If you have #1 you're going to take him. If you don't you won't have the chance.
 
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Why would he scout Wall?

I mean that kind of seriously. Everybody knows what he's about, and everybody knows he's going #1. In a lot of ways you don't even have to botherr. if oyu have #1 you're going to take him. If you don't you won't have the chance.

I was being somewhat facetious when I made the comment. But really, when you think about it, is Petrie going to shrug his shoulders and take Wall without seeing him in person? Petrie is the last one to take everyone else's word about how good a guy is. Also, Turner is the real deal. It's not a slam dunk that Wall is the best player in the draft. If we get the 2nd pick in the draft and are left with Turner, I won't be crying in my sleep, that's for sure.
 
Occasionally, you’ll get a few stories about nondescript “red flags” concerning a player’s character just before the draft approaches. Here, there was already ample debate about the players motor, desire, and character from the start. That’s rare. I recall that with Beasley and maybe a few other players over the last few years and that’s not a good sign. If you are reading about non-descript “red flags” that’s probably an acceptable risk for the size and skill. If multiple sources are pointing out the kid isn’t playing hard, is barely coachable, and could derail a college team … that my friends … is really red flags.

Thus, scouts and GMs are really afraid of Cousins. Nobody wants to draft Derrick Coleman and/or Ron Artest and have him kill your team. At the same time, you don’t want to be one of the eight GMs that passed on Amare over “red flags.” And nobody can tell you for sure where Cousins falls on that scale.

Lots of risk. At the same time, Cousins, Thompson, and Hawes ... looks a lot like A. Davis, D. Davis, and Smits on the 90s Pacers.
I understand how you can question his too strong emotions but motor, desire, laziness? Is he some super-human who puts the best per-minute stats in 8 years while being lazy? I see where you can argue he has some "Artest potential" but Coleman? I just don't see it. Yes, sometimes he seems like he's coasting but it's more of a habit from HS where he simply didn't have competition. This habit is gradually fading away.
 
Why would he scout Wall?

I mean that kind of seriously. Everybody knows what he's about, and everybody knows he's going #1. In a lot of ways you don't even have to bother. If you have #1 you're going to take him. If you don't you won't have the chance.

OK it seems weird to me the John Wall thing was never fully discussed (or maybe I missed it... I probably have) with regards to the possibility of the Kings picking him.

I haven't seen Wall, but the consensus seems to be that he is by far the best player in the draft. However, the Kings already have a PG who is our franchise player, AND we desperately need a big man, which this draft is predicted to offer many to choose from.

So, hypothetically, if we get the first pick, do we take John Wall just by default? And if we do, how would that work out with Tyreke? Would he be moved to SG? From what I understand, Wall is very similar to Tyreke in that he is great at driving to the rim and a strong defender, but his jump shot is somewhat questionable. Would it make sense to have a backcourt comprised of two very talented, but also very similar in their game and thus not complementary of each other, players?

And how do we go about acquiring the big man we need if we pass up on the pool of big talent this draft has to offer?

I'd appreciate anyone's input on this since I know almost nothing about college basketball, and am not familiar with the players involved in this coming draft.
 
OK it seems weird to me the John Wall thing was never fully discussed (or maybe I missed it... I probably have) with regards to the possibility of the Kings picking him.

I haven't seen Wall, but the consensus seems to be that he is by far the best player in the draft. However, the Kings already have a PG who is our franchise player, AND we desperately need a big man, which this draft is predicted to offer many to choose from.

So, hypothetically, if we get the first pick, do we take John Wall just by default? And if we do, how would that work out with Tyreke? Would he be moved to SG? From what I understand, Wall is very similar to Tyreke in that he is great at driving to the rim and a strong defender, but his jump shot is somewhat questionable. Would it make sense to have a backcourt comprised of two very talented, but also very similar in their game and thus not complementary of each other, players?

And how do we go about acquiring the big man we need if we pass up on the pool of big talent this draft has to offer?

I'd appreciate anyone's input on this since I know almost nothing about college basketball, and am not familiar with the players involved in this coming draft.

If we got the first pick in the draft, hell would freeze over.

In all seriousness, if we had the first pick of the draft the two viable options would be (1)pick Wall and see if he and 'Reke can somehow blow up the NBA or (2)trade the #1 pick (considering the high regard for Wall, we could get a lot from this trade). Either way, someone's getting moved.
 
I was being somewhat facetious when I made the comment. But really, when you think about it, is Petrie going to shrug his shoulders and take Wall without seeing him in person? Petrie is the last one to take everyone else's word about how good a guy is. Also, Turner is the real deal. It's not a slam dunk that Wall is the best player in the draft. If we get the 2nd pick in the draft and are left with Turner, I won't be crying in my sleep, that's for sure.

I think if we are in the range of 5-8 we have a great chance at getting Cousins which I assume why Petrie was there.. I was kinda watching two things at once so I guess I missed seeing him.. Hell of a game though! I have a feeling though when it's all said and done we might have Kentucky's Wall, and Cousins going 1 and 2. Cousins is THAT good.. IMO best big in the draft.
 
OK it seems weird to me the John Wall thing was never fully discussed (or maybe I missed it... I probably have) with regards to the possibility of the Kings picking him.

I haven't seen Wall, but the consensus seems to be that he is by far the best player in the draft. However, the Kings already have a PG who is our franchise player, AND we desperately need a big man, which this draft is predicted to offer many to choose from.

So, hypothetically, if we get the first pick, do we take John Wall just by default? And if we do, how would that work out with Tyreke? Would he be moved to SG? From what I understand, Wall is very similar to Tyreke in that he is great at driving to the rim and a strong defender, but his jump shot is somewhat questionable. Would it make sense to have a backcourt comprised of two very talented, but also very similar in their game and thus not complementary of each other, players?

And how do we go about acquiring the big man we need if we pass up on the pool of big talent this draft has to offer?

I'd appreciate anyone's input on this since I know almost nothing about college basketball, and am not familiar with the players involved in this coming draft.


You just cannot pass on the chance to draft a superstar, at any position. they are the rarest of rare breeds. I would have real questions whether Reke and Wall would work together, would much rather it was Hakeem waiting there to be drafted than Wall. But that said, you just can't pass on a unique uber talent. Its not as if Reke is the purest fo PGs anyway -- we actually have used Beno at times as a starter next to him. So you draft Wall, you team the two, and if things click (and I said this even last fall before we saw Wall in college) you could literally, no exaggeration, be talking about one of the best backcourts ever put together. You have two passers, two unstoppable to the rim guys, two great defenders, and two perennial All Star type talents. It could be an epic pairing.

Now do I guarantee how that works? No. Both guys want to have the ball. Shooting is the weakness for both at this point. But it would be as physically, defensively, offensively forceful a dominant pairing as you could put together. And at 20/21 if it worked you would be a great team forever. A dozen years at least. When you see a talent like that sitting there, you toss that position stuff right out the door and you draft the potential superstar and see if it works.
 
I'd be willing to bet the whole franchise that the whole of that pair would never even come close to adding up to the sum of their talents. It'd be worth testing out, but it'll never be a winning equation and you'd be wasting their value keeping them together IMO. Between Wall and Evans, I'd choose Wall. He's the superior athlete, better potential as a facilitator, more workable shot mechanics, and better off-ball play.
 
You just cannot pass on the chance to draft a superstar, at any position. they are the rarest of rare breeds. I would have real questions whether Reke and Wall would work together, would much rather it was Hakeem waiting there to be drafted than Wall. But that said, you just can't pass on a unique uber talent. Its not as if Reke is the purest fo PGs anyway -- we actually have used Beno at times as a starter next to him. So you draft Wall, you team the two, and if things click (and I said this even last fall before we saw Wall in college) you could literally, no exaggeration, be talking about one of the best backcourts ever put together. You have two passers, two unstoppable to the rim guys, two great defenders, and two perennial All Star type talents. It could be an epic pairing.

Now do I guarantee how that works? No. Both guys want to have the ball. Shooting is the weakness for both at this point. But it would be as physically, defensively, offensively forceful a dominant pairing as you could put together. And at 20/21 if it worked you would be a great team forever. A dozen years at least. When you see a talent like that sitting there, you toss that position stuff right out the door and you draft the potential superstar and see if it works.

I've been told on good authority that there's absolutely no precedent for a team with two 20-point scorers in the backcourt winning a championship. Not sure why we'd want to try that.
 
Occasionally, you’ll get a few stories about nondescript “red flags” concerning a player’s character just before the draft approaches. Here, there was already ample debate about the players motor, desire, and character from the start. That’s rare. I recall that with Beasley and maybe a few other players over the last few years and that’s not a good sign. If you are reading about non-descript “red flags” that’s probably an acceptable risk for the size and skill. If multiple sources are pointing out the kid isn’t playing hard, is barely coachable, and could derail a college team … that my friends … is really red flags.

Thus, scouts and GMs are really afraid of Cousins. Nobody wants to draft Derrick Coleman and/or Ron Artest and have him kill your team. At the same time, you don’t want to be one of the eight GMs that passed on Amare over “red flags.” And nobody can tell you for sure where Cousins falls on that scale.



Lots of risk. At the same time, Cousins, Thompson, and Hawes ... looks a lot like A. Davis, D. Davis, and Smits on the 90s Pacers.

Which is a good reason to make a deal to land a 2nd 1st round pick....it gives you the flexibility to take a risk on a player like Cousins, and then look at the BPA with the other pick.
 
You just cannot pass on the chance to draft a superstar, at any position. they are the rarest of rare breeds. I would have real questions whether Reke and Wall would work together, would much rather it was Hakeem waiting there to be drafted than Wall. But that said, you just can't pass on a unique uber talent. Its not as if Reke is the purest fo PGs anyway -- we actually have used Beno at times as a starter next to him. So you draft Wall, you team the two, and if things click (and I said this even last fall before we saw Wall in college) you could literally, no exaggeration, be talking about one of the best backcourts ever put together. You have two passers, two unstoppable to the rim guys, two great defenders, and two perennial All Star type talents. It could be an epic pairing.

Now do I guarantee how that works? No. Both guys want to have the ball. Shooting is the weakness for both at this point. But it would be as physically, defensively, offensively forceful a dominant pairing as you could put together. And at 20/21 if it worked you would be a great team forever. A dozen years at least. When you see a talent like that sitting there, you toss that position stuff right out the door and you draft the potential superstar and see if it works.

No, but you can pass on one superstar to land another superstar that fits better with your current stars on your roster AND get added value. There's no way you're going to convince me that Wall is the ABSOLUTE ONLY superstar from this draft, when the past 3 or so drafts have had the 'CONSENSUS' #1 player turn out to be really the 2nd or 3rd best(or worse).

There are OTHER GREAT players in this draft besides Wall. If you feel that your franchise can benefit from dealing Wall, you do the deal. There's no hard and fast rule to these things, that so many people like to attach to drafts heading into them. Petrie's ability to see talent realized at the NBA is nearly unmatched. If he likes somone, odds are he's going to be good.
 
No, but you can pass on one superstar to land another superstar that fits better with your current stars on your roster AND get added value. There's no way you're going to convince me that Wall is the ABSOLUTE ONLY superstar from this draft, when the past 3 or so drafts have had the 'CONSENSUS' #1 player turn out to be really the 2nd or 3rd best(or worse).

There are OTHER GREAT players in this draft besides Wall. If you feel that your franchise can benefit from dealing Wall, you do the deal. There's no hard and fast rule to these things, that so many people like to attach to drafts heading into them. Petrie's ability to see talent realized at the NBA is nearly unmatched. If he likes somone, odds are he's going to be good.


People say that every year and get overhyped about this guy and that, and yet in most drafts there may be one, or even none. And maybe its true this year. Maybe this is a LeBron/Melo/Wade/Bosh year. Its certainly a tautology to say that you can draft a different superstar than Wall. I mean obviously. But you better be damn sure that is what you are doing. When you find a near surefire superstar prospect like Wall, doing anything else is higly risky, not just today, but literally for the next 10 years of your franchise's health. If Wall projects out as some ungodly Chris Paul/Gary Payton love child with a splash of Gerald Wallace's athleticism thrown in, then even if you draft yourself a really good big, a David West, a Antawn Jamison whoever, you still made a massive mistake. So yes, if there is a second superstar in the draft, of course you look at him. But you better be damn sure. Not a "well he could be if everything works out", or "he could be if he matures", or any of that. Its got to be a "he will be" thing before you turn your back on the guy you know will be.
 
I'd be willing to bet the whole franchise that the whole of that pair would never even come close to adding up to the sum of their talents. It'd be worth testing out, but it'll never be a winning equation and you'd be wasting their value keeping them together IMO. Between Wall and Evans, I'd choose Wall. He's the superior athlete, better potential as a facilitator, more workable shot mechanics, and better off-ball play.

Here's glass-half-full on that: John Wall's a pass first PG in the truest sense. He just happens to be able to score at will if need be similar to an Isiah Thomas. He and Tyreke both come from the same college offensive structure. Wall also currently starting alongside another PG in Eric Bledsoe and its working out pretty darn well. Its not hard for me to envision Wall making Tyreke better by getting him the ball in the best places to score. Thomas/Dumars, Frazier/Monroe, Johnson/Nixon...

I've been told on good authority that there's absolutely no precedent for a team with two 20-point scorers in the backcourt winning a championship. Not sure why we'd want to try that.

Wall would be 18 ppg and 9 assists every year, and Tyreke will average 22 and 5. Not a problem there.
 
Cousins is a C imo.

You be correct! He could fill in at the PF position on occasion. When he got to Kentucky he tried to talk Calipari into letting him play Shooting guard. I guess you can see why some question his mentality at times.
 
Does it really matter? If we land Cousins, why not just run Hawes/JT/Cousins in a 3-way rotation (unless we need to go small to match up) and not worry about the label?

It's nice to see Petrie is scouting Kentucky, but not terribly surprising. They do have two top-ten picks (and maybe higher) on their team.

Two top ten and three in the first round.
 
You be correct! He could fill in at the PF position on occasion. When he got to Kentucky he tried to talk Calipari into letting him play Shooting guard. I guess you can see why some question his mentality at times.

Well, if Magic could play PG...
 
I understand how you can question his too strong emotions but motor, desire, laziness? Is he some super-human who puts the best per-minute stats in 8 years while being lazy? I see where you can argue he has some "Artest potential" but Coleman? I just don't see it. Yes, sometimes he seems like he's coasting but it's more of a habit from HS where he simply didn't have competition. This habit is gradually fading away.

I agree with this post 100%. I've never seen him slack off during a game. I've seen him coast at moments when he could without hurting the team, but for the most part he plays hard. His problem is his temper. Some is his personality and some is just immaturity. All in all he's been one of, if not the most consistant big men in college this year. I'd draft him in a heartbeat.
 
Here's glass-half-full on that: John Wall's a pass first PG in the truest sense. He just happens to be able to score at will if need be similar to an Isiah Thomas. He and Tyreke both come from the same college offensive structure. Wall also currently starting alongside another PG in Eric Bledsoe and its working out pretty darn well. Its not hard for me to envision Wall making Tyreke better by getting him the ball in the best places to score. Thomas/Dumars, Frazier/Monroe, Johnson/Nixon...



Wall would be 18 ppg and 9 assists every year, and Tyreke will average 22 and 5. Not a problem there.

It really has little to do with pass-first, score-first mentality. I wouldn't suggest Evans and Rubio play together either, and Rubio is as pass-first as they come. It has more to do with how these players operate and they both need the ball to operate, although Wall doesn't need to as much as Evans but that's where he's most effective. Tyreke is very ball dominant, he needs to pound the ball to do his thing. He needs to be paired with a guard that can hit set shots, move off the ball, and pass. If you pair Wall and Evans together, both guards who don't shoot well and need the ball in their hands to be effective, you'll water down both their talents. Wall would end up being the OG actually, since he has the much better quickness and explosiveness to move off the ball.

You'd have to trade one of them for a big eventually or you'd be wasting their value. A backcourt like that is a waste of time and won't get us championships, especially without a real big to kick it in to. They would just end up taking turns going one-on-one, freezing out the other.
 
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