Petrie-Adelman not as cozy as thought?

CruzDude

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A quick tidbit written by Paul Coro in The Arizona Republic on Jan 1:

• Speculation that Sacramento President Geoff Petrie would have a tough time firing Rick Adelman is overblown. Their friendship is not as close as perceived and Adelman is safe for now because of injuries to Bonzi Wells, Peja Stojakovic and Shareef Abdur-Rahim. •



Both thoughts make sense, for the moment. But you have to wonder if their relationship regarding players and team play (or any lack thereof) is a level or two below their personal relationship. A hard spot for Petrie on one hand but Adelman has the 3rd longest tenure among 30 active head coaches.

It has been said in various media, that sometime changing coaches can help a team that may be trying to do old stuff that used to work with the right (previous) personnel but not with the current bunch. Peja is a prime example. When he was averaging 20 a game there were stars (CWebb) creating double teams that allowed pass outs to Peja being set beyond the perimeter. This year no one really double teams anyone on the Kings and it appears coach is still trying to run same old plays. Even the Princeton style offense, which worked with previous staff does not appear to work now.

Watching every game on Direct TV it appears there is very little cutting to the basket anymore, a lower level of moving without the ball and not nearly the motion we saw for the previous 5-6 years. The players do what the coaches ask or tell. IF the coach is letting players "freewheel" quite a bit and that isn't working, then the coach has to implement changes. If the Princeton offense is not working the coach has to make some changes.

Based on the lack of "motion" I see, that may already have changed. But what is being implemented now, for the most part, isn't working. Could Petrie be becoming frustrated at the results last year and this? And at the style chosen for the current batch? hmmmm......:confused:
 
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Would you please post a link to where this was originally posted AND, if you would, indicate which is from there and which comments are yours?

Thanks.

:D
 
CruzDude said:
A quick tidbit written by Paul Coro in The Arizona Republic on Jan 1:

Peja is a prime example. When he was averaging 20 a game there were stars (CWebb) creating double teams that allowed pass outs to Peja being set beyond the perimeter.
Peja does not need C-Webb to be an allstar, what about the 03 year where he was averaging career highs in almost anything and C-Webb was sitting on the sideline watching him. Peja does need a consistent passer to pass him the ball in the perimeter though.
 
Watching every game on Direct TV it appears there is very little cutting to the basket anymore, a lower level of moving without the ball and not nearly the motion we saw for the previous 5-6 years. The players do what the coaches ask or tell. IF the coach is letting players "freewheel" quite a bit and that isn't working, then the coach has to implement changes. If the Princeton offense is not working the coach has to make some changes.

Did you watch the last two games? I ask because it was clear THOSE players were doing what the coach asked of them. I am totally convinced it is NOT the coach or even the players. It is the MIX of players that simply doesn't work. You can have all fantastic ingredients, but if they don't mix well, your recipe is not going to turn out. I think that's what has happened this year. We need changes. Not in our coach or even in our offense, but in the combination of players on the court at one time.
 
VF21 said:
Did you watch the last two games? I ask because it was clear THOSE players were doing what the coach asked of them. I am totally convinced it is NOT the coach or even the players. It is the MIX of players that simply doesn't work. You can have all fantastic ingredients, but if they don't mix well, your recipe is not going to turn out. I think that's what has happened this year. We need changes. Not in our coach or even in our offense, but in the combination of players on the court at one time.

Bingo. I would hate to see Adelman go. More so because there are no decent replacements. I would hate to see the Kings with some douche for a coach.
 
I saw that blurb...and my first response was who the hell is Paul Coro and why is he trying to imitate Viper Vescey by pulling random sourceless rumors/thoughts out of his behind.
 
VF21 said:
You can have all fantastic ingredients, but if they don't mix well, your recipe is not going to turn out. .

You know what they say you don't make fudge when its raining!
 
VF21 said:
Did you watch the last two games? I ask because it was clear THOSE players were doing what the coach asked of them. I am totally convinced it is NOT the coach or even the players. It is the MIX of players that simply doesn't work. You can have all fantastic ingredients, but if they don't mix well, your recipe is not going to turn out. I think that's what has happened this year. We need changes. Not in our coach or even in our offense, but in the combination of players on the court at one time.


Well, if the new mix can win 3 of the next 4 or 5 home games then I will agree. But, in watching those games the movement off the ball is not there with the new mix as evidenced by several games of below 20 assists. Sure it is too early to make judgement so lets come back to this in a week or so.
 
Bibby_10 said:
Count me in as well. I have been hoping for a Peja/Thomas for Deng/Nocioni trade all season.

And meanwhile i've been waiting for the KG for Jamal Sampson straight up trade all season long. I wonder which one of ours will happen?
 
An excerpt for an article by Sam Smith of the Chicago Tribune on Tuesday, January 3:

CHICAGO - Talk about your lack of job security. There are bowling alley pin-setters, carbon-papermakers, celebrities' boyfriends and NBA coaches.

More change could be coming. Sacramento's Rick Adelman, in his eighth and seemingly last season as a lame duck, has been mentioned as the next coach to go. Just who replaces all these coaches remains uncertain, but anxious owners with underachieving teams and bloodied balance sheets are ready to serve up coaches without a well done.

Insiders indicate Sonics owner Howard Schultz ordered the firing of Weiss and the equally restless Maloof brothers, who run the Kings, figure to be running out of patience as well with their last-place team. Having traded Chris Webber, Doug Christie and Bobby Jackson, lost Vlade Divac to free agency and sustained injuries to new recruits, it seems only natural to fire the coach.
*******************end of tribune article excerpt****************

First NY Post (even if it was Vescey) now Chicago. The Kings are a mess. Hard to argue that point. Keeping the Coach and the current roster accomplishes nothing this season. Getting rid of 2 of the Philly 3 is a start tho' I have no idea who covets them. Trading one set of players for another may or may not accomplish anything. The same can be said of replacing the coach.

But we all likely agree on one point: Something has to be done!! Argument now is coach vs several players.
 
I'd rather keep Adelman and lose ANY five of the players. But I think Adelman deserves better than to keep working for the Mafools - I will be happy for him when he is put out of his misery (or resigns).

I propose a bet for anyone who cares to take me up on it. I bet Rick Adelman will win more games next year than the Kings will. Any takers?
 
...the equally restless Maloof brothers, who run the Kings, figure to be running out of patience as well with their last-place team. Having traded Chris Webber, Doug Christie and Bobby Jackson, lost Vlade Divac to free agency and sustained injuries to new recruits, it seems only natural to fire the coach.

That is one of the most brilliant pieces of sarcasm I've seen published in a very long time. In fact, I don't think I've seen anything like it since Bob Greene, also a one-time writer for the Trib, died.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
I'd rather keep Adelman and lose ANY five of the players. But I think Adelman deserves better than to keep working for the Mafools - I will be happy for him when he is put out of his misery (or resigns).

I propose a bet for anyone who cares to take me up on it. I bet Rick Adelman will win more games next year than the Kings will. Any takers?

Laughable. I don't even think he will be coaching anywhere next year. Anyone remember that prior to our hiring no one wanted him and he was about to become the head coach at Portland State :eek: .

The success that the Kings had was primarily because of 2 players, #4 and #21, Adelman gets way to much credit for the Kings run during his tenure.
 
Ryle said:
Laughable. I don't even think he will be coaching anywhere next year. Anyone remember that prior to our hiring no one wanted him and he was about to become the head coach at Portland State :eek: .

The success that the Kings had was primarily because of 2 players, #4 and #21, Adelman gets way to much credit for the Kings run during his tenure.

Even if you're right about who deserves the credit for the Kings run, you are saying that you don't think Adelman will be offered another head coaching job in the NBA?

If he takes a random head coaching job in the NBA (throws a dart at a board), there is about a 20/29 chance that he will land with a better team than the Kings. So "laughable" might be a little strong there.
 
Ryle said:
Laughable. I don't even think he will be coaching anywhere next year. Anyone remember that prior to our hiring no one wanted him and he was about to become the head coach at Portland State :eek: .

The success that the Kings had was primarily because of 2 players, #4 and #21, Adelman gets way to much credit for the Kings run during his tenure.

And this is where you lose absolutely all shred of credibility on this issue.

If you don't think the 14th winningest coach of all time coming off of a WILDLY successful run with a contending team for years (2nd time he has done that), not to mention one of the most entertaining teams in the league (2nd time he has done that too), will be working next year you have completely lost touch with reality on the Adelman issue.

If Rick and his 700+ wins, 62% winning percentage, 100+ playoff games, 2 Finals appearances, 5 straight 50 win seasons, wants to work next year, he'll be working next year. And not at McDonald's. Bob Weiss was just rehired this season.

Its not even a question.
 
Bricklayer said:
And this is where you lose absolutely all shred of credibility on this issue.

If you don't think the 14th winningest coach of all time coming off of a WILDLY successful run with a contending team for years (2nd time he has done that), not to mention one of the most entertaining teams in the league (2nd time he has done that too), will be working next year you have completely lost touch with reality on the Adelman issue.

If Rick and his 700+ wins, 62% winning percentage, 100+ playoff games, 2 Finals appearances, 5 straight 50 win seasons, wants to work next year, he'll be working next year. And not at McDonald's. Bob Weiss was just rehired this season.

Its not even a question.

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Adelman will coach in NBA as long as he wants to coach. I think the issue here is not that Adelman is not any good any more but that the coach-player mix isn't working very well. Great coach but if the players don't buy into his plan or execute, then we likely get the mess we now have. We just don't have the dynamic players and defined pieces of the puzzle any more like we had for the 6 year run (starting with JWill).

So changing coaches is one way to go. Not the best or worst way but one way. Changing players is the other but Petrie knows what he is doing and if there were big improvement pieces out there he would get them, or try to at least. The third element now is dynamic owners who don't like to lose. They have a view of coaching, players and management we don't have so........ we'll see.
 
I think the odds are slim to none that Rick even wants to come back after this year anyway, so this is all academic. If he makes it through the year, Rick will walk himself and a I fully expect to see a new coach next year one way or the other.

And we'll still suck until Petrie fixes HIS mess. Not the coach's. Seemt o recall Larry Brown appearing in a couple of Finals here recently, now look at the mess he finds himself in. Why? Because Isaiah Thomas sucks and has created a mess.
 
Bricklayer said:
I think the odds are slim to none that Rick even wants to come back after this year anyway, so this is all academic. If he makes it through the year, Rick will walk himself and a I fully expect to see a new coach next year one way or the other.

And we'll still suck until Petrie fixes HIS mess. Not the coach's. Seemt o recall Larry Brown appearing in a couple of Finals here recently, now look at the mess he finds himself in. Why? Because Isaiah Thomas sucks and has created a mess.

isaiah thomas gives me hope for the kings future. it's good to know that there's a gm out there doing much much worse than geoff petrie.
 
Padrino said:
isaiah thomas gives me hope for the kings future. it's good to know that there's a gm out there doing much much worse than geoff petrie.
How does "I'm bad, but at least not as bad as you," give hope for getting better?

My hope is not that there are worse GMs out there, but the fact Petrie has pulled rabbits out of the hat before.
 
whozit said:
How does "I'm bad, but at least not as bad as you," give hope for getting better?

My hope is not that there are worse GMs out there, but the fact Petrie has pulled rabbits out of the hat before.

Well, having a blithering idiot on the other side of trade does up your odds of pulling off a steal I suppose. ;)
 
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