Peter Vescey says Peja gone this summer

[Stojakovic]

this isnt even comparable. shaq can catch the ball at the top of the key, and power his way to where he wants to be, which is inside 3 or 4 feet. peja cannot. BIG difference.

Shaq CANNOT catch the ball at the top of the key and power his way through. One reason he never does this (quite frankly never gets put into these types of situations) is because he is not good at it. You have to feed Shaq the ball down low in order for him to be effective. You do NOT want Shaq creating his own shots, or else he'd average a triple double over the season (PT's, RB's, TO's).

 

[coolhandluke]

Shaq can't create his own shot??

 

[Bricklayer]

Not sure what you're saying here. Do you mean Shaq can create his own shot from the top of the key by dribbling? How does he do it? With his back to the basket? By crossing his man over? I must have missed that highlight.

Shaq does not have to be open in order to score. All you have to do is bring the ball down, dump it to Shaq in the post while he's tightly covered/bodying up, and its game over. There is no remote comparison to Peja. Try throwing it to Peja when he's tightly covered and its low percentage. The difference is ENORMOUS, and can best described as thus -- you don't have to beat Shaq's man with your pass -- Shaq beats Shaq's man. If Peja is not already open you have to beat Peja's man for him.

 

[Bartking]

Shaq does not have to be open in order to score. All you have to do is bring the ball down, dump it to Shaq in the post while he's tightly covered/bodying up, and its game over. There is no remote comparison to Peja. Try throwing it to Peja when he's tightly covered and its low percentage. The difference is ENORMOUS, and can best described as thus -- you don't have to beat Shaq's man with your pass -- Shaq beats Shaq's man. If Peja is not already open you have to beat Peja's man for him.

Nobody who is called a low post player needs to be open to score. That would be a layup. Getting away from your man while 25 feet from the basket should be easier.

I'm not saying that Peja is as good as Shaq, obviously he isn't, or even that he's unstoppable one on one. My point is, incorrectly utilized, they will both become useless and frustrated. Remember last year how many times Shaq said they should get him the ball down low every time?

Having said that, Peja is one of the greatest shooters ever. He was 2nd in the NBA in scoring last year while pulling in all of 7 million bucks. That's like, what, Doug Christie's salary, 1/4 of Shaq's, 1/3 of Webber's?

Kobe and Shaq provided an inside/outside combo that was deadly. We've never had an interior presence since Webber's near-MVP half-season a few years back. We've never had a slasher that can create off the dribble. We've never really utilized the fact that defenses will guard Peja 40 feet from the basket and allow the rest of the guys to play 4 on 4.

 

[VF21]

Bartking - Your whole rationale depends upon one thing - Peja getting back his touch. And, so far, that hasn't happened although there were at least glimmers in the first half of the Rockets game.

 

[Entity]

Songaila has shown that he can pass and with more touches he could become even better. He has shown he can hit that same 18 ft jumper that Webber had plus he quicker with healthy knees and can drive and dunk the ball or layup like he did against Det. Why is Adleman who for the past 6 years has ran the offense through the big man so reluctant to do so with Darius.

 

[Entity]

One more thing. Since Webber left and Miller is out the ball has strictly been Bibby's to run or Mobley. Why not have the best of both worlds. Go with the guard play and then come back down and run it through Daruis. Mix things up a little.

 

[VF21]

Songaila has shown that he can pass and with more touches he could become even better. He has shown he can hit that same 18 ft jumper that Webber had plus he quicker with healthy knees and can drive and dunk the ball or layup like he did against Det. Why is Adleman who for the past 6 years has ran the offense through the big man so reluctant to do so with Darius.

Who knows? We may start utilizing Darius more. Remember, up until Feb. 23 he was just Webber's backup. I don't think Adelman was thinking in any way that with a couple of weeks Darius would be starting as PF.

 

[Entity]

I wouldn't be saying it if i thought it wouldn't work. I actually see it. He is hitting those jumpers dare i say more consistant than Webber or Miller. He sits for such a long time and then comes back in and hits one right out of the box. Then when he pump faked Ben Wallace last week and drove in for the 1 handed dunk that was precious. Also I remember one game in particular where he did get it at the elbow serveral times and made some pretty passes, in fact had 6 assist that game. I am not saying do it everytime like with Webber but, to have that choice would be great for us right now.

 

[Entity]

I would also like to see more of Kenny Thomas he seems like a very high percentage shooter but he don't take but 5 or 6 shots a game. I understand Webber is gone but, we have completly gone away from the PF postion with anything. That postion seems to be soley cleanup now. Pete Caril is working with both Darius and Kenny every day. Now that is something that makes me smile.

 

[Bricklayer]

Nobody who is called a low post player needs to be open to score. That would be a layup. Getting away from your man while 25 feet from the basket should be easier.

I'm not saying that Peja is as good as Shaq, obviously he isn't, or even that he's unstoppable one on one. My point is, incorrectly utilized, they will both become useless and frustrated. Remember last year how many times Shaq said they should get him the ball down low every time?

Having said that, Peja is one of the greatest shooters ever. He was 2nd in the NBA in scoring last year while pulling in all of 7 million bucks. That's like, what, Doug Christie's salary, 1/4 of Shaq's, 1/3 of Webber's?

Kobe and Shaq provided an inside/outside combo that was deadly. We've never had an interior presence since Webber's near-MVP half-season a few years back. We've never had a slasher that can create off the dribble. We've never really utilized the fact that defenses will guard Peja 40 feet from the basket and allow the rest of the guys to play 4 on 4.

Peja is a great shooter...and never once in the history of the NBA has that been enough (and let's not even go to Bird, who was only one of the 5 or so best all around players in the history of the game and threw in a nasty turnaround post game as well). Great shooters are support players, not #1 stars. And its precisely because they CAN'T create and force the action. They can be stopped. They are dependant on both their teammates and the opposing team's defense. You can NOT have your primary weapon be a shooter who can be taken away without a constant double team. Well you can, but you'll never win anything that way. Your #1 guy has to be able to attack, to force the action, to beat his man one on one, to be unstoppable. Then if you want to have a shooter to support and pour in points off of open looks as a support guy, fine. Peja might be able to win a championship as Shaq's wingman. But until and unless Peja develops the ability to beat his man one on one (highly unlikely) or a strong post move (possible if he gave a damn) Shaq is a #1 option, Peja a #2, and we aren't going anywhere until we get back a player able to truly play the #1.

Shooting is pretty. Its also fool's gold. Its a useful trait, but not a dominant one without a complete game.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

I wouldn't be saying it if i thought it wouldn't work. I actually see it. He is hitting those jumpers dare i say more consistant than Webber or Miller. He sits for such a long time and then comes back in and hits one right out of the box. Then when he pump faked Ben Wallace last week and drove in for the 1 handed dunk that was precious. Also I remember one game in particular where he did get it at the elbow serveral times and made some pretty passes, in fact had 6 assist that game. I am not saying do it everytime like with Webber but, to have that choice would be great for us right now.

::sigh::

A part of me is getting tired of watching the Kings Big men sit out on the perimeter and shoot jump shots. :/

 

[VF21]

::sigh::

A part of me is getting tired of watching the Kings Big men sit out on the perimeter and shoot jump shots. :/

I feel your pain.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Peja is a great shooter...and never once in the history of the NBA has that been enough (and let's not even go to Bird, who was only one of the 5 or so best all around players in the history of the game and threw in a nasty turnaround post game as well). Great shooters are support players, not #1 stars. And its precisely because they CAN'T create and force the action. They can be stopped. They are dependant on both their teammates and the opposing team's defense. You can NOT have your primary weapon be a shooter who can be taken away without a constant double team. Well you can, but you'll never win anything that way. Your #1 guy has to be able to attack, to force the action, to beat his man one on one, to be unstoppable. Then if you want to have a shooter to support and pour in points off of open looks as a support guy, fine. Peja might be able to win a championship as Shaq's wingman. But until and unless Peja develops the ability to beat his man one on one (highly unlikely) or a strong post move (possible if he gave a damn) Shaq is a #1 option, Peja a #2, and we aren't going anywhere until we get back a player able to truly play the #1.

Shooting is pretty. Its also fool's gold. Its a useful trait, but not a dominant one without a complete game.

Do you mean to deney that the Jazz built the team arround Hornaceck... come on we all know that Malone and Stockton were jsut there to get him good looks!

 

[LPKingsFan]

Do you mean to deney that the Jazz built the team arround Hornaceck... come on we all know that Malone and Stockton were jsut there to get him good looks!

Wow, I've never thought about that analogy!

 

[Bartking]

Peja is a great shooter...and never once in the history of the NBA has that been enough (and let's not even go to Bird, who was only one of the 5 or so best all around players in the history of the game and threw in a nasty turnaround post game as well). Great shooters are support players, not #1 stars. And its precisely because they CAN'T create and force the action. They can be stopped. They are dependant on both their teammates and the opposing team's defense. You can NOT have your primary weapon be a shooter who can be taken away without a constant double team. Well you can, but you'll never win anything that way. Your #1 guy has to be able to attack, to force the action, to beat his man one on one, to be unstoppable. Then if you want to have a shooter to support and pour in points off of open looks as a support guy, fine. Peja might be able to win a championship as Shaq's wingman. But until and unless Peja develops the ability to beat his man one on one (highly unlikely) or a strong post move (possible if he gave a damn) Shaq is a #1 option, Peja a #2, and we aren't going anywhere until we get back a player able to truly play the #1.

Shooting is pretty. Its also fool's gold. Its a useful trait, but not a dominant one without a complete game.

I pretty much agree with that. Peja could be the devastating 2 of a 1-2 punch. And apart from Webber's dominating few months of 2002, we've never had a 1 playing inside.

 

[burekijogurt]

Peja is a great shooter...and never once in the history of the NBA has that been enough (and let's not even go to Bird, who was only one of the 5 or so best all around players in the history of the game and threw in a nasty turnaround post game as well). Great shooters are support players, not #1 stars. And its precisely because they CAN'T create and force the action. They can be stopped. They are dependant on both their teammates and the opposing team's defense. You can NOT have your primary weapon be a shooter who can be taken away without a constant double team. Well you can, but you'll never win anything that way. Your #1 guy has to be able to attack, to force the action, to beat his man one on one, to be unstoppable. Then if you want to have a shooter to support and pour in points off of open looks as a support guy, fine. Peja might be able to win a championship as Shaq's wingman. But until and unless Peja develops the ability to beat his man one on one (highly unlikely) or a strong post move (possible if he gave a damn) Shaq is a #1 option, Peja a #2, and we aren't going anywhere until we get back a player able to truly play the #1.

Shooting is pretty. Its also fool's gold. Its a useful trait, but not a dominant one without a complete game.

This is true. But its also the case that we are not playing one on one, or that one wins with each player creating a best shot for himself. A team needs to create a good shot for itself in order to win. This might mean giving the ball to that one guy who can do it himself, or utlizing what you have on your team to get a good shot. An open jumper by Peja is a good shot for a team. Of course, a dunk for Shaq is better, but the former is not too shaby. As long as a team is able to create good shots for itself it would not matter if they don't have any players who cannot create a good shot for themselves.

 

[acisking]

Then delete your signature.

haahahhaaha...beautiful reina