Pete Carril Joins Kings Staff ! ! !

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This is the best news we've had all season.

All we need to do now is bring in an experienced coach who would take Coachie's advice on board, make a couple of good trades and the rebuild is well on the way and going in the right direction.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
Nope. I heard it first hand for certain, and it was confirmed on replay "old grey-haired white guy". Can't let him off the hook for it sorry.

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We appear to be in basic agreement then. I was referring to earlier post in this thread that had the quote as a rather racial put down sounding, "old white guy." Therefore, there's no real difference in what you say it was at, "old grey-haired white guy" and my putting as, "old white haired guy." The larger point is that this thread is about Pete Carill and whether the Theus comment was about him. It clearly was clearly not.

BTW, maybe we are all getting the semantics, translation, a bit wrong or out of context. I did just go listen again to the KHTK audio tape and here's what he said in context. He was trying to answer Grant Napear's claim that he was fired because Theus relied to much on Chuck Person and did not take an older more experienced assistant on board saying back that the OLD GRAY HAIRED THING is not the reason (for his dismissal). Quoting Theus: "...Look at other guys (5 right before him), I keep on hearing this old grey haired guy thing, that have gotten fired, you know, everyone of these guys who have been fired had an old grey haired white guy on their staff, so an old grey-haired guy makes no difference."
 
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Sorry I'm late to the show, but hells yeah! More important than any Princeton offense is the attitude and work ethic that coachie brings.
 
As an aside, this is all good, but people are perhaps expecting more out of this than can be -- Coachie is near 80, has been hired as a "consultant" not an assistant coach, and I highly doubt he will travel with the team. Given his consultant status it would be odd for him to even be on the bench for games. This might be a move just to get a wise old basketball head back involved, or it may be a move by Petrie to try to drag the franchise back toward Princeton orthodoxy, and hiring Eddie Jordan would then make sense...for a GM more interested in his pet system than actually winning. But its not likely to have truly dramatic effects in the short term.
 
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An interesting move, and nice to see especially for the young players. Guessing Natt will be out after season's end as this also may indicate dissatisfaction with how things have gone since Natt took over. No surprise there either. People are speculating EJ for next coach based on this. I would be happy with that also.
 
I hope this does not signal EJ coming back. I dont really know if I have seen much from him to show that he is a good coach.
 
I am not exactly excited to have Carril back. I have respect for his career, but his system mentality made us lose and waste some nice talent over the years. If you fit the system, then fine. If you have talent outside of the system... then good luck chum.

It's more a sign of holding on to the past when we've been needing to move on for a long time. My nightmare is us getting a dynamic player like Rubio from the draft and having him held back by a system.
 
I didnt see Carril at the last game? I wish he could sit on the bench with the coach to give advice during the game.. but isnt there a limit on how many coaches can sit on the bench or something?
 
Kings ready to welcome Carril back

Nice article in the Bee today:

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1532591.html

A blip from the article:

Carril, who spent 10 seasons as a Kings assistant before leaving with former coach Rick Adelman in 2006, will have a heavy influence on the coaching side. Natt – whose lead assistant, Rex Kalamian, has nine years of experience as an assistant with the Clippers, Denver and Minnesota – said Carril will take part in practice every day and travel with the team.

"That's the plan," he said. "(He will) be part of our practices and be part of our game prep situations, just as any other coach here.
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I love Coachie, and it's clear Natt needs something. It makes no sense to bring anyone else in now as the "new" head coach- but in the meantime, Coachie can be the line of continuity for the younger kids and a new coach when that day comes. Fantastic, smart move. (My opinion)- He will likely be the only assistant retained at the end of the year.

Oh, and I'd love having Eddie back. He inherited some poor pieces in Washington and made it work for a while. The current situation there was largely inevitable, but he had only a moderate role in that. Remember, you could make the argument Arenas hasn't played since 2006/2007.
 
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KevinSalvadori said:
I love Coachie, and it's clear Natt needs something. It makes no sense to bring anyone else in now as the "new" head coach- but in the meantime, Coachie can be the line of continuity for the younger kids and a new coach when that day comes. Fantastic, smart move. (My opinion)- He will likely be the only assistant retained at the end of the year.

Oh, and I'd love having Eddie back. He inherited some poor pieces in Washington and made it work for a while. The current situation there was largely inevitable, but he had only a moderate role in that. Remember, you could make the argument Arenas hasn't played since 2006/2007.
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Jordan has coached in the league 7 years and never once won more than 45 (in other words he has never once coached a team to a record that would even get them #8 in the West). He has a losing career record, a losing career playoff record, his teams have never played a scrap of defense, and they have had all sorts of locker room problems to boot -- Mitch quit on him, Arenas feuded with him, his centers were involved in numerous brawls with each other and the occasional solicitation arrest. That's classic retread stuff there. Other than making our GM cream his pants because he might play some of his beloved college offense, there is nothing to recommend him.
 
Bricklayer said:
Jordan has coached in the league 7 years and never once won more than 45 (in other words he has never once coached a team to a record that would even get them #8 in the West). He has a losing career record, a losing career playoff record, his teams have never played a scrap of defense, and they have had all sorts of locker room problems to boot -- Mitch quit on him, Arenas feuded with him, his centers were involved in numerous brawls with each other and the occasional solicitation arrest. That's classic retread stuff there. Other than making our GM cream his pants because he might play some of his beloved college offense, there is nothing to recommend him.
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We've been agreeing way too much lately.
 
Eddie Jordan has LOSER written all over him. I've discussed it here before regarding his not very impressive at all coaching career, his rather sour puss personality, and considerable evidence he does not inspire confidence nor have much leadership skill. Once and for good - NO, NO, NO, to the myth, but more like mess of Eddie Jordan. NO, NO, NO - to hiring him ever again in Sac for any coaching or front office job.
 
swisshh said:
I am not exactly excited to have Carril back. I have respect for his career, but his system mentality made us lose and waste some nice talent over the years. If you fit the system, then fine. If you have talent outside of the system... then good luck chum.

It's more a sign of holding on to the past when we've been needing to move on for a long time. My nightmare is us getting a dynamic player like Rubio from the draft and having him held back by a system.
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I'm a little confused. When exactly did Carril make us lose games and what talent are you talking about that we wasted. Almost every player that he worked with raves about him as a teacher and how much he helped their game. As far as a system, the so called Princeton system is very similar to the motion offense or the triangle offense, both of which are used by many teams around the league. All three systems require that the players on the team have a certain amount of Basketball IQ, some passing skills, and a decent outside shot.

It doesn't have to be run from the high post. It can work just as well from the low post. Vlade operated in the low post quite a bit. Webb liked to operate from the high post, because of his little elbow jumper. Rubio, because of his great passing ability would thrive in any of the motion offenses.
 
PurpleHaze said:
Eddie Jordan has LOSER written all over him. I've discussed it here before regarding his not very impressive at all coaching career, his rather sour puss personality, and considerable evidence he does not inspire confidence nor have much leadership skill. Once and for good - NO, NO, NO, to the myth, but more like mess of Eddie Jordan. NO, NO, NO - to hiring him ever again in Sac for any coaching or front office job.
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Ditto to that. No Jordan for me..
 
bajaden said:
I'm a little confused. When exactly did Carril make us lose games and what talent are you talking about that we wasted. Almost every player that he worked with raves about him as a teacher and how much he helped their game. As far as a system, the so called Princeton system is very similar to the motion offense or the triangle offense, both of which are used by many teams around the league. All three systems require that the players on the team have a certain amount of Basketball IQ, some passing skills, and a decent outside shot.

It doesn't have to be run from the high post. It can work just as well from the low post. Vlade operated in the low post quite a bit. Webb liked to operate from the high post, because of his little elbow jumper. Rubio, because of his great passing ability would thrive in any of the motion offenses.
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Well that last part is doubtful -- most of those offenses, the triangle and Princeton especially, are PG-unfriendly. The triangle PGs have always been no more than roleplayers. Bring it up, give the ball up, and get out of the way while the offensive gears kick in. The Princeton offenses are similar, and compound the situation by having the ball in the hands of the bigs up high for much of the time leaving the "point guard" as little more than a spot up shooter. These are not the systems that you need a creative ball-dominating PG for -- guys like Nash or Kidd or Stockton or CP3 or maybe Rubio need to dominate the ball to dominate play, and the motion offenses intentionally take it out of their hands.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well that last part is doubtful -- most of those offenses, the triangle and Princeton especially, are PG-unfriendly. The triangle PGs have always been no more than roleplayers. Bring it up, give the ball up, and get out of the way while the offensive gears kick in. The Princeton offenses are similar, and compound the situation by having the ball in the hands of the bigs up high for much of the time leaving the "point guard" as little more than a spot up shooter. These are not the systems that you need a creative ball-dominating PG for -- guys like Nash or Kidd or Stockton or CP3 or maybe Rubio need to dominate the ball to dominate play, and the motion offenses intentionally take it out of their hands.
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Carril isn't an idiot. I'd give a Hall of Fame coach the benefit of the doubt. Of course, he would modify his offensive system to fit his talent. If the Kings ever do get a star pg, I highly doubt that they will start their offense by throwing the ball to the center. In the meantime, the center is the best "pg" we have.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well that last part is doubtful -- most of those offenses, the triangle and Princeton especially, are PG-unfriendly. The triangle PGs have always been no more than roleplayers. Bring it up, give the ball up, and get out of the way while the offensive gears kick in. The Princeton offenses are similar, and compound the situation by having the ball in the hands of the bigs up high for much of the time leaving the "point guard" as little more than a spot up shooter. These are not the systems that you need a creative ball-dominating PG for -- guys like Nash or Kidd or Stockton or CP3 or maybe Rubio need to dominate the ball to dominate play, and the motion offenses intentionally take it out of their hands.
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I'll grant you that having a elite, pure pt guard isn't as necessary when running a motion offense, but it certainly doesn't omit them from the system. They simply won't get as many assists as they would in another system. Bibby is an example of a pt guard whose assists totals fell a little when he started playing with the Kings, and now seem to have gone up again with the Hawk's. Having a pt guard that can shoot the ball, is however, a necessity.
 
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