Perry introductory press conference

[Warhawk]

This is really the crux of it. Perry and Christie will basically do whatever the owner wants. So they're an ideal tandem for him.

Bobby Marks posed an interesting question to some of his connections in the league. It was something like, if Vivek was told that if he left the team for two years and let those that he hired make the decisions and run the team,....and when he came back they would be a consistent top 6 seed for 5 years, would he do it? Everyone agreed that he would not do that.

And exactly how do you know this? Please provide specifics.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

A few quotes from Perry today in the interview with Carmichael Dave:

• No offense to others before him, but he's done this before and has experience doing this.
• His mandate is to build a sustainable winner in the way that he sees fit.
• He is the guy to make the basketball decisions to move the franchise forward.
• Vivek has promised the resources to do what he needs to do.

At this point, I'll choose to believe him.

What did you expect him to say? This is pretty basic PR stuff. What did you think McNair would say, when asked if it was his decision alone to do anything?

 

[Tetsujin]

Brown, Christie, trade Fox right away before the deadline,...Lavine. Just these kinds of things

If trading Fox before the deadline was actually Vivek’s decision, he might be smarter at basketball stuff than I thought lol.

Trading Fox before the market completely opened up this summer was possibly a genius move by mistake. Not sure how much of a market there would have been for a guy on the last year of his deal plainly angling to get to San Antonio when Trae or Ja or Booker are on the market and San Antonio would have been able to play the “Take our bad offer or we’ll just go get Trae instead” card.

 

[Warhawk]

What did you expect him to say? This is pretty basic PR stuff. What did you think McNair would say, when asked if it was his decision alone to do anything?

So, at this point, you just choose to believe every single person is lying about everything and Vivek is the puppet master making every single decision on the team. Gotcha. Have fun with that.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

If trading Fox before the deadline was actually Vivek’s decision, he might be smarter at basketball stuff than I thought lol.

The same guy that extended Brown with a big raise and then fired him a few months later, when he could have just the let the season unfold for a couple months and then decide. It's top shelf stuff

 

[sactowndog]

The questions were asked. And answered. You may not like the answers due to lack of specificity or agreement with what you think the plan should be, but he clearly said he would take a week or two to gather information and then let everyone know what the next steps are.

I'm not arguing with my assumptions. I've made my assumptions and opinions clear. I'm just trying to figure out why you folks enjoy tilting at, to this point, nonexistent windmills so much. You are vilifying the new GM as someone who can't make his own decisions, is under Vivek's thumb, blah, blah, blah, when he clearly stated his approach and that a decision will come in a week or two after he conducts interviews and talks with folks around the league, including possibly potential candidates for the job (that decision may be to conduct a full coaching search or to delay a decision further). Why is that? What are you trying to accomplish by tearing down someone who hasn't done anything you object to yet?

Were they? I saw no post to that effect specifically. Who asked them and what was the response?

 

[sactowndog]

People keep talking about how Vivek sabotaged Monte but there does seem to be a lot of pure conjecture based on a bunch of quotes fed to the press by Monte/Monte’s agent done purely to protect Monte’s reputation/viability for future GM roles (“Everything good that the Kings did was entirely thanks to Monte!/Monte had absolutely nothing to do with anything bad that happened during his time in Sacramento.”). The only big decision that I feel fairly confident in saying Vivek had a hand in was firing Mike Brown and even that choice didn’t even end up particularly bad.

so I know Vivek had a hand in not making the Barnes trade to Boston because he refused to take a step back which was the point of my desired question.

 

[Warhawk]

Were they? I saw no post to that effect specifically. Who asked them and what was the response?

Watch/listen to the presser and interviews since. He is asked about the coaching situation, timeline, goals for the team, Vivek's support of him doing what he feels is right for the team, etc. Most answers are somewhat vague - he'll conduct interviews and make a bunch of calls before deciding in the next week or two on the coaching situation, etc., and are generally discussed above. But he's not showing his hand on the first couple days on the job. He sounds like someone who does his homework and has a lot of discussions with folks before making big decisions.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915440994256117800

Very interesting to me that CD quickly says both "every owner meddles" and "NYK ownership meddling is way worse" while he's been on top of the "Vivek is the worst ... but I respect him for saving the team" schtick.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The same guy that extended Brown with a big raise and then fired him a few months later, when he could have just the let the season unfold for a couple months and then decide. It's top shelf stuff

Vivek was bullied into the extension by the media that called him cheap.

He's really unremarkable compared to every owner it's just being a one-team town people want to act like he's so crazy.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Vivek was bullied into the extension by the media that called him cheap.

He's really unremarkable compared to every owner it's just being a one-team town people want to act like he's so crazy.

It's not by accident or some other agenda that he has one of the worst reputations around the league

 

[24 rick barry]

People keep talking about how Vivek sabotaged Monte but there does seem to be a lot of pure conjecture based on a bunch of quotes fed to the press by Monte/Monte’s agent done purely to protect Monte’s reputation/viability for future GM roles (“Everything good that the Kings did was entirely thanks to Monte!/Monte had absolutely nothing to do with anything bad that happened during his time in Sacramento.”).

The only big decision that I feel fairly confident in saying Vivek had a hand in was firing Mike Brown and even that choice didn’t even end up particularly bad.

Vivek made the decision...period.

 

[Livinthedream]

Very interesting to me that CD quickly says both "every owner meddles" and "NYK ownership meddling is way worse" while he's been on top of the "Vivek is the worst ... but I respect him for saving the team" schtick.

Thank you for noticing the incongruency.

Related to this, be careful of the "sell the team" campaign. No new owner is obligated to keep the team in Sacramento. Careful what you wish for.

 

[Tetsujin]

Thank you for noticing the incongruency.

Related to this, be careful of the "sell the team" campaign. No new owner is obligated to keep the team in Sacramento. Careful what you wish for.

I mean, they are contractually bound to the 30 year lease to stay in G1C but as we’ve seen that won’t stop a lot of billionaires from just ignoring that anyways.

 

[Livinthedream]

I mean, they are contractually bound to the 30 year lease to stay in G1C but as we’ve seen that won’t stop a lot of billionaires from just ignoring that anyways.

Any agreement can be argued in court. The tried and true way to get out of a city is to tank the product. Poison the well. So there's that risk.

Bottom line is too many players quit on Brown. My thoughts on that are the type of players Monte liked are not the players Brown liked. That led to some weird rotations and inexplicable dnp's. I'm even more troubled by the Vezenkov debacle than The weirdness around Keon. I also think Brown tanked Huerters career and slowed Keegans overall growth. Not over vindictiveness, but play style and personality, respectively.

If Vivek and Perry like each other, have the same approach and Christie and Perry have the same philosophy, then it's already a better situation.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Thank you for noticing the incongruency.

Related to this, be careful of the "sell the team" campaign. No new owner is obligated to keep the team in Sacramento. Careful what you wish for.

Every new owner comes in and does stupid stuff. Even if the team stays in Sacramento forever that is the real danger. Phoenix's owner has ruined that team for probably the next decade. Dallas's owner (who may be trying to move the team or doing a team swap so they can own a Vegas team) just let an incompetent GM trade the guy who would have had a statue built for him next to Dirk. Probably a bigger statue. The Hornets also changed owners in 2023 and were just voted the worst organization in the NBA by the players.

 

[Tetsujin]

Every new owner comes in and does stupid stuff. Even if the team stays in Sacramento forever that is the real danger. Phoenix's owner has ruined that team for probably the next decade. Dallas's owner (who may be trying to move the team or doing a team swap so they can own a Vegas team) just let an incompetent GM trade the guy who would have had a statue built for him next to Dirk. Probably a bigger statue. The Hornets also changed owners in 2023 and were just voted the worst organization in the NBA by the players.

The Celtics changed owners and now there's immediate talk that this might be the last year for their current core because their roster is going to be too expensive next season.

 

[iowamcnabb]

The Celtics changed owners and now there's immediate talk that this might be the last year for their current core because their roster is going to be too expensive next season.

The Celtics apparently generated 450 mil last year and their payroll is 450. Crazy that the Celtics lost money overall after factoring in coaches, front office and other staffs salaries and other expenses. Gotta assume they shed either Jrue or Zinger and knock off some luxury tax.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

So, at this point, you just choose to believe every single person is lying about everything and Vivek is the puppet master making every single decision on the team. Gotcha. Have fun with that.

This topic has nothing to do with fun, but I get why you might think it does....trying to remain optimistic and all that. Been there many times, I get it.

It would be extremely naive to think that GM's don't ever lie when asked certain questions. Especially when it comes to potentially covering for the owner who decides whether they will still have the job or not. Protecting the owner and organization's image is part of the job. The GM always take the hit upon themselves.

I'm still curious what you would expect Perry or any other GM to say in their initial interviews after being hired? None of it was notable or out of the ordinary for what we basically always hear.

Call him the puppet master or anything else,... yes I believe that the owner is involved in and makes the final call with every major decision....and so does every media member who has connections to get information about the inner dealings of the organization.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I'd like to see a list of owners that don't sign off on major decisions. I would bet it is very small.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I'd like to see a list of owners that don't sign off on major decisions. I would bet it is very small.

and yet a few have the reputation as meddlers and others do not

 

[NewArena]

Ok, I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but "It's my job now to help put pieces around him and others to enhance his ability to start winning" kind of sounds like that is the plan?

Not around him specifically is what i mean. Sabonis is our best player and it's not really close - even with Fox here IMO. That's what i meant

 

[NewArena]

So what are you arguing about? Am I on crazy pills here?

He knows the players, sure. But he doesn't know how they feel about DC, the organization overall, etc. He just got into town yesterday. Give the man a minute to catch his breath and hold some in-depth interviews.

He may start holding coaching interviews in a week or so. He hasn't indicated his plan. Again, you are making grand assumptions on no real information and are also assuming that whatever choice that doesn't align with yours is automatically incorrect. I think he's in a position to have a lot more information on the topic than we are, especially after talking with the players and staff and other owners/coaches/players across the league.

At this point I'll take him at his word and let him cook.

People want Scott Perry to come in here and treat the organization like a video game. It just doesn't work like that lol i'd be terrified if he didn't come in here and do some real due diligence.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

and yet a few have the reputation as meddlers and others do not

Who are the ones that don't?

The Warriors won best organization in the player poll but most Dubs fans are unhappy with ownership lately. Bob Myers left (or got forced out, take your pick) over the directive that they simultaneously rebuild while winning with Steph.

All owners meddle in major decisions. The ones that aren't "meddlers" just haven't had a major decision lately.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

People want Scott Perry to come in here and treat the organization like a video game. It just doesn't work like that lol i'd be terrified if he didn't come in here and do some real due diligence.

My biggest concern is right now is his draft assessments but for those who thought Monte was too free to trade away picks and cavalier with anything but a lottery pick, let's remember Perry was in place when the Kings did the 10 for 15 and 20 in the 2017 draft.

Now they blew those picks, but there absolutely was all star talent in all 3 of those spots.

So at least we know he might try to trade into this draft should we not win the lotto jackpot. Something we know Monte probably wouldn't have done.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Who are the ones that don't?

The Warriors won best organization in the player poll but most Dubs fans are unhappy with ownership lately. Bob Myers left (or got forced out, take your pick) over the directive that they simultaneously rebuild while winning with Steph.

All owners meddle in major decisions. The ones that aren't "meddlers" just haven't had a major decision lately.

The ones that don't have an earned reputation for interfering with their GM's and head coaches. You don't seem to like OKC's owner, but he allows the guys that he hired to make the decisions that they were hired for....and the fans there are being rewarded for it.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The ones that don't have an earned reputation for interfering with their GM's and head coaches. You don't seem to like OKC's owner, but he allows the guys that he hired to make the decisions that they were hired for....and the fans there are being rewarded for it.

He let all of his big name stars walk which is why they have so much draft capital.

Let's see what happens when it comes time to re-sign all the players on rookie contracts.

oh yeah, also I would call moving from Seattle and then holding up the new city for a publicly financed arena a decade later just terrible from a fan/civic standpoint. At least the ones that foot the bills for these things.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

He let all of his big name stars walk which is why they have so much draft capital.

Let's see what happens when it comes time to re-sign all the players on rookie contracts.

oh yeah, also I would call moving from Seattle and then holding up the new city for a publicly financed arena a decade later just terrible from a fan/civic standpoint. At least the ones that foot the bills for these things.

You're not going to convince most of us that Vivek Ranadive is an average decent pro sports owner. I have a hard time believing that you actually think he is

 

[pdxKingsFan]

You're not going to convince most of us that Vivek Ranadive is an average decent pro sports owner. I have a hard time believing that you actually think he is

I think he is smack dab in the middle of being your run of the mill billionaire with a fancy toy.

I've lived in 4-5 NBA cities and spent several months in at least another half dozen early in my career when I had a full time travel job. Also see it with other sports teams I follow. So much of the scrutiny on Vivek is because he is the only game in town. The entire Monte era I did not have a single fault with Vivek's ownership.

 

[NewArena]

So the players who quit on one coach and now want the new GM to hire DC. I personally would not hire DC just because of this. I really think there needs to be some roster change, not an overhaul but some changes. Bring in Perry’s guy. Make changes.

Dissension with a coach or disenchantment doesn't automatically equate to quitting.