Perry introductory press conference

[Warhawk]

You're not reading between the lines, which is what is necessary to figure out what is going on. Just waiting for them to officially announce what has happened or going to happen with their "process",....that would seem to be a naive choice.....or maybe it's part of the psychology necessary in looking at this situation as if the glass is half full. Some of us have been there and done that.... and well beyond it at this point. They're going to have to prove that they are competent with results. Until then, the track record reveals incompetence

Well, next time I'll consult my Magic 8 Ball or Ouija Board to try to better read between the lines.

Waiting is a naive choice??? What choice do we have? Exactly what actions can you individually take to influence their process or change their decision?

I've been a fan of this team since they first dropped into Arco I. I'm well familiar with the long history of incompetence.

But I also don't paint others with a brush they haven't earned yet.

 

[Warhawk]

Perry may come out next week, say DC has been canned, and that they are holding a formal coaching search starting after the PO end with at least 15 existing head coaches and lead assistants that want the job.

You guys have absolutely no idea what the path forward is, yet you are skewering the guy on his first day on the job for saying he wants to gather information.

I just can't understand this viewpoint. It's insanity.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Well, next time I'll consult my Magic 8 Ball or Ouija Board to try to better read between the lines.

Waiting is a naive choice??? What choice do we have? Exactly what actions can you individually take to influence their process or change their decision?

I've been a fan of this team since they first dropped into Arco I. I'm well familiar with the long history of incompetence.

But I also don't paint others with a brush they haven't earned yet.

So we will never know if Christie was the owner's prerequisite choice, unless he comes out and says so? Well that's not going to happen, so you're left to believe whatever they say, I guess?

 

[Warhawk]

So we will never know if Christie was the owner's prerequisite choice, unless he comes out and says so? Well that's not going to happen, so you're left to believe whatever they say, I guess?

Sure, why not. I guess I have better things to do than spend my entire life second guessing the current non-decision of the new (one whole day on the job!) GM of the local shooty-hoops team that I like to watch on TV when I have time. A decision, mind you, that (besides not having been made yet) I also have no control over or can influence in any way.

Seriously, you are still making assumptions that DC is the choice. And arguing it. Incessantly. Based on no information at all. Because I choose not to be cynical enough to assume that the new GM can't make his own decision on this or something. Again, based on no concrete information other than me not choosing to read between the lines about words not said by the owner.

Do I have that right or did I miss something along the way?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Sure, why not. I guess I have better things to do than spend my entire life second guessing the current non-decision of the new (one whole day on the job!) GM of the local shooty-hoops team that I like to watch on TV when I have time. A decision, mind you, that (besides not having been made yet) I also have no control over or can influence in any way.

Seriously, you are still making assumptions that DC is the choice. And arguing it. Incessantly. Based on no information at all. Because I choose not to be cynical enough to assume that the new GM can't make his own decision on this or something. Again, based on no concrete information other than me not choosing to read between the lines about words not said by the owner.

Do I have that right or did I miss something along the way?

No, it's not a big deal. Just looking ahead and making predictions, based on patterns of behavior. That's what some of us tend to do with sports

 

[dude12]

So the players who quit on one coach and now want the new GM to hire DC. I personally would not hire DC just because of this. I really think there needs to be some roster change, not an overhaul but some changes. Bring in Perry’s guy. Make changes.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

So the players who quit on one coach and now want the new GM to hire DC. I personally would not hire DC just because of this. I really think there needs to be some roster change, not an overhaul but some changes. Bring in Perry’s guy. Make changes.

No process to search for the GM or a head coach. That's the reality that is most likely. Perry was their guy a long time ago and so was Christie

 

[Kingster]

One year assistant? The guy’s been on the Kings coaching staff since 2020.

.529 is also a better winning percentage than Joerger’s was the year that the Kings hired him and this forum was running around like we had just drafted LeBron so I’m not sure where this whole “hiring a guy with a winning percentage like this would be worse than trading Luka” thing is coming from.

Oh, it makes all the difference! Hire him now! No doubt there's a feeding frenzy for his services from all the NBA teams looking for a HC. I must have missed the news.

 

[sactowndog]

Wrong. I've repeatedly said that if they keep him or not is his decision. I think he did OK this year. I've never said they SHOULD keep him. That's not a "homer" by any means.

Perry said today he's going to take a week to come up with a plan. They aren't rushing this decision. Give it a minute for them to catch their breath. You keep jumping off assumption point into conclusion pond.

We shall see. Question 1 is will he come up with a reasonable plan. Question 2 if he does and it involves taking any step back will Vivek let him execute it.

 

[Kingster]

Well, Mike Budenholzer had a 0.463 record his first year coaching and has a career 0.589 coaching record. (all records regular season)
Taylor Jenkins? 0.466 and 0.539 records.
Mike Malone? 0.341 and 0.564 records.

Just to name a couple of the well-established coaches currently available. Maybe DC should get a chance to get an offseason and training camp underneath him (like these others had before their worse initial coaching seasons)?

Mike Brown was at 0.419 this year before being let go; DC took over, took a loss the same day he was elevated to the position (I don't think that one should count against him, but whatever), and still ended up at 0.529. A reminder: DC took over midseason with no training camp, one of the two top players shipped out with apparently bad (or at least not great) vibes in the locker room, he got several new starters/rotational players at the trade deadline, he lost several key players to injury, had a harder schedule, and he lost some coaching staff. The players apparently all want him back. I think, overall, he did OK. Not GREAT, but OK.

Again, I'm not saying he SHOULD be the coach. But everyone who is about to jump off a cliff if he's actually considered are going pretty overboard. Just chill. No decision has been made. You're acting like Chicken Little here.

Maybe DC shouldn't get a chance. Maybe DC isn't worth another bad season for the Kings. Maybe I'm tired of running it back. Maybe the Kings would be viewed as more of a joke than they already are for hiring him as head coach. Maybe at the margins he would lose FAs rather than attract them. Yeah, let's focus on the win-loss % for half the season rather than playoff and championship appearances. Really? And maybe the decision has already been made but not in Christie's favor. So don't sweat it.

 

[Warhawk]

Maybe DC shouldn't get a chance. Maybe DC isn't worth another bad season for the Kings. Maybe I'm tired of running it back. Maybe the Kings would be viewed as more of a joke than they already are for hiring him as head coach. Maybe at the margins he would lose FAs rather than attract them. Yeah, let's focus on the win-loss % for half the season rather than playoff and championship appearances. Really? And maybe the decision has already been made but not in Christie's favor. So don't sweat it.

Oh, I'm not. Doesn't really matter to me who they pick. I like DC, but if they go in a different direction, fine - no problem on my end. See, I actually think he's going to put in some effort into his decision making and do the best job he can.

But there sure are several folks here who have apparently already decided that:
A) He's not a good coach, or at least not as good as anyone else in the league who may want the job.
B) The brand new GM who everyone seemed overjoyed with when he was briefly here previously all of a sudden can't make a decision on his own.
C) Puppetmaster Vivek has preordained everything already.
D) DC is the next coach no matter what.
E) The new GM who was just today talking about interviewing all the players, team personnel, etc., shouldn't actually do that for some reason.
F) The new GM should already have selected a new coach and acted immediately to hire that person despite the fact that some other coaches still in the PO may still become available.
G) Paradoxically, that the new GM should wait until after the PO are complete to see if any other coaches become available.
H) That when the new GM says he wants to take a week or two to define his approach or work on his decision, that means that he doesn't know what he's doing.
I) That the new GM, his first day on the job, is apparently lying when he says he has a phone full of calls about the head coaching job that he wants to return to talk to people before making any decisions.

It's all just so preposterously silly. But hey, go on with your bad selves. Knock yourself out.

 

[Warhawk]

We shall see. Question 1 is will he come up with a reasonable plan. Question 2 if he does and it involves taking any step back will Vivek let him execute it.

But see, I think you've already decided what consists of a "reasonable plan". Your plan approval process is geared towards what you want, not necessarily what may be, in his eyes, what's best for the team. So, if he does something other than what you approve of, whatever that is, it is automatically proof of Vivek meddling and could not possibly be what he may have wanted to do independently.

It's his first day on the job. Can we please let the man cook a bit before jumping down his throat about decisions he hasn't even made yet? He's said he has at least a week's worth of interviews to do and a phone full of calls to return. Do you think he's faking all that just to, in your eyes, sabotage his likely success at this job? Do you honestly think he's cowed by Vivek and can't make decisions on his own? He's not a rookie GM. He's been around the block and knows how to deal with owners.

 

[Warhawk]

No process to search for the GM or a head coach. That's the reality that is most likely. Perry was their guy a long time ago and so was Christie

And, if so, what are you going to do if that is eventually who Perry decides should be coach, search or not? Cry? Wring your hands and gnash your teeth? Wail to the heavens?

You guys are acting like they may pick, I don't know, me at random to coach the team or something.

DC is a smart, tough-nosed former player who has spent about half a decade on the bench and when called up under some of the worst circumstances had a winning record when the previous coach wasn't able to. He may not be a poor decision overall, if indeed they decide to keep him on.

Again, I'm not saying he should be the coach. But I also don't think it is totally irrational that he could be the choice to coach the team through a transition year or something, either. The choice on coaching search / hiring approach is Perry's. It sounds like he will get started on his research and preliminary decision making immediately. I say we let him get to it and see what he comes up with.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

And, if so, what are you going to do if that is eventually who Perry decides should be coach, search or not? Cry? Wring your hands and gnash your teeth? Wail to the heavens?

You guys are acting like they may pick, I don't know, me at random to coach the team or something.

DC is a smart, tough-nosed former player who has spent about half a decade on the bench and when called up under some of the worst circumstances had a winning record when the previous coach wasn't able to. He may not be a poor decision overall, if indeed they decide to keep him on.

Again, I'm not saying he should be the coach. But I also don't think it is totally irrational that he could be the choice to coach the team through a transition year or something, either. The choice on coaching search / hiring approach is Perry's. It sounds like he will get started on his research and preliminary decision making immediately. I say we let him get to it and see what he comes up with.

I actually like Christie and what he could bring. What I have a problem with is that this owner has only allowed one extensive search process to happen for GM and head coach. (McNair). Now he's back to a short sighted quick decision making process with the two guys that he already had a connection with in Perry and Christie.

The problem is that if his short cut "push button" way of doing things doesn't work again, we'll be right back here analyzing how it could have been prevented, by simply leaving no stone unturned and actually doing a search for the best most qualified candidates......but hey, maybe he and Divac were doing a real search while McNair and Wilcox were Trading Fox and bringing in Lavine?

You really think the notion that Vivek makes all the major decisions is ridiculous? It's actually the consensus among media that have real connections

 

[Warhawk]

I actually like Christie and what he could bring. What I have a problem with is that this owner has only allowed one extensive search process to happen for GM and head coach. (McNair). Now he's back to a short sighted quick decision making process with the two guys that he already had a connection with in Perry and Christie.

The problem is that if his short cut "push button" way of doing things doesn't work again, we'll be right back here analyzing how it could have been prevented, by simply leaving no stone unturned and actually doing a search for the best most qualified candidates......but hey, maybe he and Divac were doing a real search while McNair and Wilcox were Trading Fox and bringing in Lavine?

You really think the notion that Vivek makes all the major decisions is ridiculous? It's actually the consensus among media that have real connections

So far, he's brought in a GM that we actually hired a few years ago that everyone seemed on board with at the time. So this isn't just some random person that hasn't gone through the process already.

DC was the interim coach last year. We have no idea if he will be the coach again. You (and/or others) keep stating he will be the permanent coach like it is a fact at this point.

You can "analyze how it could have been prevented" until the cows come home and it really doesn't matter, does it?

Vivek is the owner of the team and can run it how he sees fit. I may not like how he runs things sometimes. You may not like how he runs things sometimes. I think we all know he does influence a lot of decisions, rightly or "wrongly". You could absolutely be 100% correct. And it still changes absolutely nothing. You can't force an owner to sell. Unless you buy a significant amount of the team yourself there's no input you have into any of this.

If you want to complain, knock yourself out. But to constantly complain about something that hasn't happened yet, that may not happen, and that could possibly still be a good choice even if it were to happen just seems pretty silly, petty, and pointless.

Perry said he's going to go through interviews, phone calls, etc., and then make a decision on how to approach the coaching hire in a week or two. If he comes back tomorrow and says that DC is the coach without going through that process, then you are likely 100% vindicated in your opinion in the decision-making process. It could still be a great hire, but your opinion on the process itself could be correct. If he comes back in two weeks and says that he interviewed the players (who all indicate that they love playing for DC and want him to stay) and says that no other significant candidates have thrown their hat in the ring despite calls to all those available / initial phone interviews to those that he did talk to, what will be your opinion if they keep DC on for another year? Will you be mad at a process you approve of that nonetheless results in a hire you don't like? What if they decide to hire as coach some highly touted assistant you happen to like from somewhere else after an interview process and that coach bombs, winning less than 1/3 the games and losing the locker room? Will you be happy with how the process worked out in that eventuality even if the result is horrible?

Can we not just let Perry sort out how he wants to proceed over the next couple weeks and quit complaining vociferously about something that hasn't even happened yet?

 

[sactowndog]

But see, I think you've already decided what consists of a "reasonable plan". Your plan approval process is geared towards what you want, not necessarily what may be, in his eyes, what's best for the team. So, if he does something other than what you approve of, whatever that is, it is automatically proof of Vivek meddling and could not possibly be what he may have wanted to do independently.

It's his first day on the job. Can we please let the man cook a bit before jumping down his throat about decisions he hasn't even made yet? He's said he has at least a week's worth of interviews to do and a phone full of calls to return. Do you think he's faking all that just to, in your eyes, sabotage his likely success at this job? Do you honestly think he's cowed by Vivek and can't make decisions on his own? He's not a rookie GM. He's been around the block and knows how to deal with owners.

lots of assumptions on your part.

one of my issues with Monte was his stating all paths are open. A successful strategy is always making a choice of what you are not going to do. I have my opinions on what options I think work best for a small market but that is neither here nor there. Just have a strategy longer than 3 months.

do I honestly think Vivek might insert himself if the plan is to take a step back? Yes. And from reading the board I don’t think I am the only one.

 

[sactowndog]

Sure, why not. I guess I have better things to do than spend my entire life second guessing the current non-decision of the new (one whole day on the job!) GM of the local shooty-hoops team that I like to watch on TV when I have time. A decision, mind you, that (besides not having been made yet) I also have no control over or can influence in any way.

Seriously, you are still making assumptions that DC is the choice. And arguing it. Incessantly. Based on no information at all. Because I choose not to be cynical enough to assume that the new GM can't make his own decision on this or something. Again, based on no concrete information other than me not choosing to read between the lines about words not said by the owner.

Do I have that right or did I miss something along the way?

no but apparently you have plenty of time for multiple posts arguing with your own made up assumptions about how people feel based on a few comments regarding questions people would like to see asked.

 

[kingsboi]

if reports are accurate about Vivek wanting Christie as head coach then he will be here in some capacity, whether it be head coach or relegated back to being assistant. If you do hire him as head coach, then you need to bring in some strong assistants that can run plays because I don't know if Christie is up to that task at this point, could change of course with experience. Option two is move Christie back to a bench role and bring in some stronger candidates with more proven track records. I suppose that if Redick and Chauncey can be head coaches, who's to say Christie won't be? The decision made will tell us a bit about the direction.

 

[Warhawk]

no but apparently you have plenty of time for multiple posts arguing with your own made up assumptions about how people feel based on a few comments regarding questions people would like to see asked.

The questions were asked. And answered. You may not like the answers due to lack of specificity or agreement with what you think the plan should be, but he clearly said he would take a week or two to gather information and then let everyone know what the next steps are.

I'm not arguing with my assumptions. I've made my assumptions and opinions clear. I'm just trying to figure out why you folks enjoy tilting at, to this point, nonexistent windmills so much. You are vilifying the new GM as someone who can't make his own decisions, is under Vivek's thumb, blah, blah, blah, when he clearly stated his approach and that a decision will come in a week or two after he conducts interviews and talks with folks around the league, including possibly potential candidates for the job (that decision may be to conduct a full coaching search or to delay a decision further). Why is that? What are you trying to accomplish by tearing down someone who hasn't done anything you object to yet?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

DC was the interim coach last year. We have no idea if he will be the coach again. You (and/or others) keep stating he will be the permanent coach like it is a fact at this point.

You can "analyze how it could have been prevented" until the cows come home and it really doesn't matter, does it?

Vivek is the owner of the team and can run it how he sees fit. I may not like how he runs things sometimes. You may not like how he runs things sometimes. I think we all know he does influence a lot of decisions, rightly or "wrongly". You could absolutely be 100% correct. And it still changes absolutely nothing. You can't force an owner to sell. Unless you buy a significant amount of the team yourself there's no input you have into any of this.

I don't know why you're acting like Christie was just an average lead assistant coach who became an interim. No, he's been the owners choice prerequisite add on the staff for different head coaches and GM's who did not choose him. He was then elevated to interim head coach, when he was not the lead assistant or defensive coordinator. I don't recall this ever happening before in the NBA. Him becoming the full time head coach has been a long time goal of the owner, I think most of us realize this.

I don't know what you're getting at with the "it doesn't really matter" stuff. Nothing that we say here matters, whether it's this discussion or any other one. So we might as well not talk about anything here,....or only things that have a positive spin?

The owner can and will do whatever he wants, but one thing is certain, he hasn't and won't get a dime from me.

 

[Section 101]

I don't know why you're acting like Christie was just an average lead assistant coach who became an interim. No, he's been the owners choice prerequisite add on the staff for different head coaches and GM's who did not choose him. He was then elevated to interim head coach, when he was not the lead assistant or defensive coordinator. I don't recall this ever happening before in the NBA. Him becoming the full time head coach has been a long time goal of the owner, I think most of us realize this.

I don't know what you're getting at with the "it doesn't really matter" stuff. Nothing that we say here matters, whether it's this discussion or any other one. So we might as well not talk about anything here,....or only things that have a positive spin?

The owner can and will do whatever he wants, but one thing is certain, he hasn't and won't get a dime from me.

Your assuming they didn't ask Triano. Amick said on the radio this morning Triano would most likely turned down the interim if he was asked.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915440994256117800

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Your assuming they didn't ask Triano. Amick said on the radio this morning Triano would most likely turned down the interim if he was asked.

You think there is a good chance that he was asked? I wouldn't bet on it.

I also don't believe that Brown would have been fired during the season, after having been extended with a big raise a few months before, if Christie was not there in a position to take over.

 

[SacTownKid]

So the players who quit on one coach and now want the new GM to hire DC. I personally would not hire DC just because of this. I really think there needs to be some roster change, not an overhaul but some changes. Bring in Perry’s guy. Make changes.

If the Kings are running it back, the only thing that probably does matter is what the players want. At least this way they can maybe build off what they started. Bringing in a new coach can blow up even worse than this not working out. The name George Karl ring a bell? Unless the coach they hired was another organization hire anyway that coach will want a huge say on style, build, etc. That would mean another year just to even get started making sense of the current roster. Doug has a feel for the players and will basically do whatever the organization wants. Seems like the common sense approach regardless of what anyone thinks. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

If the Kings are running it back, the only thing that probably does matter is what the players want. At least this way they can maybe build off what they started. Bringing in a new coach can blow up even worse than this not working out. The name George Karl ring a bell? Unless the coach they hired was another organization hire anyway that coach will want a huge say on style, build, etc. That would mean another year just to even get started making sense of the current roster. Doug has a feel for the players and will basically do whatever the organization wants. Seems like the common sense approach regardless of what anyone thinks. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

This is really the crux of it. Perry and Christie will basically do whatever the owner wants. So they're an ideal tandem for him.

Bobby Marks posed an interesting question to some of his connections in the league. It was something like, if Vivek was told that if he left the team for two years and let those that he hired make the decisions and run the team,....and when he came back they would be a consistent top 6 seed for 5 years, would he do it? Everyone agreed that he would not do that.

 

[SacTownKid]

This is really the crux of it. Perry and Christie will basically do whatever the owner wants. So they're an ideal tandem for him.

Bobby Marks posed an interesting question to some of his connections in the league. It was something like, if Vivek was told that if he left the team for two years and let those that he hired make the decisions and run the team,....and when he came back they would be a consistent top 6 seed for 5 years, would he do it? Everyone agreed that he would not do that.

The question still remains, what is Vivek actually deciding? No way is Vivek so entrenched that he's deciding much of anything in great detail, roster wise nor stylistically. My guess is at best it's suggestions. But I might still be underrating his level of actual basketball knowledge, haha.

 

[Warhawk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915440994256117800

A few quotes from Perry today in the interview with Carmichael Dave:

• No offense to others before him, but he's done this before and has experience doing this.
• His mandate is to build a sustainable winner in the way that he sees fit.
• He is the guy to make the basketball decisions to move the franchise forward.
• Vivek has promised the resources to do what he needs to do.

At this point, I'll choose to believe him.

 

[Warhawk]

I don't know why you're acting like Christie was just an average lead assistant coach who became an interim. No, he's been the owners choice prerequisite add on the staff for different head coaches and GM's who did not choose him. He was then elevated to interim head coach, when he was not the lead assistant or defensive coordinator. I don't recall this ever happening before in the NBA. Him becoming the full time head coach has been a long time goal of the owner, I think most of us realize this.

I don't know what you're getting at with the "it doesn't really matter" stuff. Nothing that we say here matters, whether it's this discussion or any other one. So we might as well not talk about anything here,....or only things that have a positive spin?

The owner can and will do whatever he wants, but one thing is certain, he hasn't and won't get a dime from me.

And? So what? You act like there is only one path to becoming a head coach.

Ridick was a podcast host thrown into the head coach role of the most famous NBA team this year. Do you think that is more common than an owner pushing for a coach on his staff to get promoted? DC took a losing team and ended with a winning record during his duration with a tougher schedule. If nothing else it appears he was better than the established coach we had at the start of the year this year.

Again, I'm not pushing for DC as coach. I want the best coach for the team needs as determined by the GM. And I'll leave it up to him to make that decision.

You can talk about whatever the heck you want (within the rules of the board). But it's a bit of a pet peeve to harangue people for things they haven't done. And that's what's going on here.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The question still remains, what is Vivek actually deciding? No way is Vivek so entrenched that he's deciding much of anything in great detail, roster wise nor stylistically. My guess is at best it's suggestions. But I might still be underrating his level of actual basketball knowledge, haha.

Brown, Christie, trade Fox right away before the deadline,...Lavine. Just these kinds of things

 

[Tetsujin]

The question still remains, what is Vivek actually deciding? No way is Vivek so entrenched that he's deciding much of anything in great detail, roster wise nor stylistically. My guess is at best it's suggestions. But I might still be underrating his level of actual basketball knowledge, haha.

People keep talking about how Vivek sabotaged Monte but there does seem to be a lot of pure conjecture based on a bunch of quotes fed to the press by Monte/Monte’s agent done purely to protect Monte’s reputation/viability for future GM roles (“Everything good that the Kings did was entirely thanks to Monte!/Monte had absolutely nothing to do with anything bad that happened during his time in Sacramento.”). The only big decision that I feel fairly confident in saying Vivek had a hand in was firing Mike Brown and even that choice didn’t even end up particularly bad.