Yes and he and Williams were leaking left and right and that is a big part of why the blogger/podbro media has waged war on the last FO who did not feed them such tasty nuggets.
Perry introductory press conference
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Well, Mike Budenholzer had a 0.463 record his first year coaching and has a career 0.589 coaching record. (all records regular season)
Taylor Jenkins? 0.466 and 0.539 records.
Mike Malone? 0.341 and 0.564 records.
Just to name a couple of the well-established coaches currently available. Maybe DC should get a chance to get an offseason and training camp underneath him (like these others had before their worse initial coaching seasons)?
Mike Brown was at 0.419 this year before being let go; DC took over, took a loss the same day he was elevated to the position (I don't think that one should count against him, but whatever), and still ended up at 0.529. A reminder: DC took over midseason with no training camp, one of the two top players shipped out with apparently bad (or at least not great) vibes in the locker room, he got several new starters/rotational players at the trade deadline, he lost several key players to injury, had a harder schedule, and he lost some coaching staff. The players apparently all want him back. I think, overall, he did OK. Not GREAT, but OK.
Again, I'm not saying he SHOULD be the coach. But everyone who is about to jump off a cliff if he's actually considered are going pretty overboard. Just chill. No decision has been made. You're acting like Chicken Little here.
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gunks
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I saw we posted the same thing at the same time haha.
I wouldn't mind some Joerger/Doug tandem. It actually seems like a really good match of Xs and Os plus player coach guys.
ShastaKingsFan
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You're not saying that he should be the coach, but you're saying he's the best choice for this situation and deserves a full year to see what he can do?
No. I never said he was the best choice for the situation. I don't know who else is available or willing to coach this team. But I'm saying that after interviews with the team, seeing if DC's vision for the team and Perry's are similar, looking at options (even informally without a "search"), it would not strike me as "OMG VIVEK IS MEDDLING!?#^!?" for them to keep DC on for another year or so given his relative success with these players, their outspoken support of him, and their estimate of team coaching needs in the short term. Perry was very complimentary of him today. He also said he's gotten a lot of calls about the job. We'll see.You're not saying that he should be the coach, but you're saying he's the best choice for this situation and deserves a full year to see what he can do?
It's just one possible option that I personally don't think is crazy. Apparently, others feel that it is totally unacceptable and out of the realm of possibility that Perry could, of his own volition, choose to keep DC for another year or so while he starts working on player personnel changes.
Jdbraver137
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He is a career nba guy, so at least he has knowledge of the landscape. That being said I don’t think he really has a set plan. He still needs to get familiar with the team and FO. That does scare me since Vivek seems to have made another push decision for no reason and I don’t get the feeling Vivek is going to be hands off. I also don’t get the rush to name a HC. Who knows some playoff teams might end up losing a valuable HC or assistant. It’s sounds like Vivek told him to hire Doug. If it’s for a full rebuild that is great. If not just seems rushed.
And Perry could come back next week and say that they are going to wait until the end of the PO to make a decision on the coach. Again - we are getting all worked up over absolutely nothing here.
And what if we hire an assistant? Isn't that essentially what we just did with DC? Folks are blowing a gasket over that already.
ShastaKingsFan
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I think most of us realize that Doug Christie has been Vivek's favorite to be the next head coach and will be announced officially in about a week or so
Jdbraver137
Bench
I’m not worked up but you seem to be a Vivek/christie homer. Which is fine but, come on, I would have waited for a GM to come in with a plan and he seems to just gotten started thinking about a plan. That’s a red flag and it show Vivek’s meddling and poor decision making. We are just supposed to roll over because we are fans, I don’t think so.
Jdbraver137
Bench
And that is a giant red flag.
ShastaKingsFan
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It's par for the course for how this owner operates. Like Geoff Petrie tried to warn us back at the start...."he's a dismissive little chap". This was after Petrie had strongly suggested that they get someone overseas to continue scouting of Giannis Antetokounmpo leading up to the draft. Of course he didn't do that, because he wasn't going to follow the former GM's advice. Psychology can be a weird thing
Wrong. I've repeatedly said that if they keep him or not is his decision. I think he did OK this year. I've never said they SHOULD keep him. That's not a "homer" by any means.
Perry said today he's going to take a week to come up with a plan. They aren't rushing this decision. Give it a minute for them to catch their breath. You keep jumping off assumption point into conclusion pond.
Jdbraver137
Bench
Would you hire someone with no plan? Seriously?
ShastaKingsFan
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Would anything lead you to think that they've already made the decision, outside of them coming out and saying so?
What part of them taking a week or more to do research and come up with a plan is not registering with you?
Now, the plan, after doing research, may be to keep the existing coach who had a winning record under very difficult circumstances and the players really want to keep him. Or it may be to do an informal or formal search. Perry has said he knows most of the coaches in the league already. He's taking calls to gauge interest. Let the man cook.
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Unknown. But I'm taking Perry at his word at this point.
ShastaKingsFan
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and some of us are not taking Vivek at his word. He's earned nothing but skepticism in terms of building an NBA team and front office
Jdbraver137
Bench
What part of you don’t hire a guy with no plan are you missing?
But this isn't Vivek talking. I haven't heard Vivek say a word in the past week.
It is the new GM saying this. Believe him or not - doesn't matter to me. But at this point he gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
ShastaKingsFan
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It's an owner thing if he only brings in those that continue to allow him to make the major GM decisions, like choosing the head coach. Those that wouldn't do that, are likely not interested.
He hasn't been available to the media for a long while in team discussions. His PR team finally got it across to him that it's not a good idea to let everyone know what he's thinking
Oh my goodness. So you're saying that before he gets to do detailed interviews with the team players and the staff he should come in guns blazing with an arbitrary, uninformed approach to selecting the coach? You don't think interviews with the players would be an important step in this process? Talking with the rest of the staff? Talking with DC at length? Taking calls from people around the league to gauge interest and availability?
You seem to have only one outcome that fits your personal viewpoint. Perry is apparently taking time to gather information before making any firm decisions. And that is the right approach in my opinion.
He may fire/not bring back DC next week and call for a formal coaching search. And that's fine with me if that's what he decides! But right now we have no idea. But you seem to have it fixed in your mind that his opinion is already made and are mad at him for not, apparently, agreeing with your viewpoint that he should tar and feather DC for his performance and hire someone new for the position tomorrow.
The whole ready, fire, aim approach never seems to work well, at least in my opinion.
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Jdbraver137
Bench
Why would he say a word publicly?he learned that at least, but he still mismanages the team.
Yeah, OK. Whatever you say.
I'm not the one who said "and some of us are not taking Vivek at his word". I was just responding that he actually hasn't said anything. Apparently not saying anything is the same as not taking him at his word, or something? I'm still trying to sort out that oxymoron.
Jdbraver137
Bench
These are well known nba players. Their stats and film are all over the place. Their personalities are analyzed to no end. Then he should be allowed to interview to find the fit he wants. He said he expects the search to be over by the few weeks
So what are you arguing about? Am I on crazy pills here?
He knows the players, sure. But he doesn't know how they feel about DC, the organization overall, etc. He just got into town yesterday. Give the man a minute to catch his breath and hold some in-depth interviews.
He may start holding coaching interviews in a week or so. He hasn't indicated his plan. Again, you are making grand assumptions on no real information and are also assuming that whatever choice that doesn't align with yours is automatically incorrect. I think he's in a position to have a lot more information on the topic than we are, especially after talking with the players and staff and other owners/coaches/players across the league.
At this point I'll take him at his word and let him cook.
Jdbraver137
Bench
BECAUSE we won’t know the pool of coaches available by next week.
But he said in the next week or so he'll announce his plan. His plan may be to wait longer. His plan may be to keep DC for one year while he does major roster revisions. And if Spo gets fired from the Heat in December and gets a hankering to live in Granite Bay they could easily fire whoever the coach is at that point and bring in Spo despite whatever the initial plan and decision was. Coaches get hired and fired all the time.
Again, you seem to be arguing just to argue. No decisions have been made other than to gather information and formulate a path forward in the next couple weeks. You seem to be arguing that by gathering information on possible future options before making a decision they aren't formulating a final decision fast enough by skipping the information gathering and formulating options stages of the process. At least, I think that's your conclusion, but I could be wrong.
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ShastaKingsFan
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You're not reading between the lines, which is what is necessary to figure out what is going on. Just waiting for them to officially announce what has happened or going to happen with their "process",....that would seem to be a naive choice.....or maybe it's part of the psychology necessary in looking at this situation as if the glass is half full. Some of us have been there and done that.... and well beyond it at this point. They're going to have to prove that they are competent with results. Until then, the track record reveals incompetence
