Peja wants out? (Merged)
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flipnsac said:
Because he's the scapegoat.
Honestly, I was very disappointed by Peja last season because he played with no heart, but I see a change in him this season. All the hustling, rebounding, etc, I can see he's playing his tail off in most of games (except the first denver game), and I appreciate his effort, at least he's trying (whether successful or not).
I think most people here don't appreciate Peja and his contribution. If Kings lose, it's all Peja's faults. If Kings win, it's someone's else effort. If Peja can't make a score, he's jacking up the shots. If he does score, there're are always other things to criticize about him.
I think he said the right thing. How can he be sure what's going to happen? Sure it would have been encouraging to hear him say "I want to stay", but he really doesn't know what will happen. If he had few years left on his contract than sure he should have said I want to stay, but being a soon to be free agent it is up in the air.
I mean I loved my previous job, but I went to work at a similar job but with a better pay. Who ever offers him more will get him.
I mean I loved my previous job, but I went to work at a similar job but with a better pay. Who ever offers him more will get him.
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Hezi
Prospect
Sacramento needs to trade some other players
like mike bibby,bonzi wells and some player
Peja need to stay,the roster it's sucks
players didnt play
they need a PG and SG like chauncey billups and some one who can score like vince carter, what about paul pierce or
send to toronto mike bibby or bonzi wells or some other player(but not to send peja),to morris peterson and chris bosh...
peja need to stay!
like mike bibby,bonzi wells and some player
Peja need to stay,the roster it's sucks
players didnt play
they need a PG and SG like chauncey billups and some one who can score like vince carter, what about paul pierce or
send to toronto mike bibby or bonzi wells or some other player(but not to send peja),to morris peterson and chris bosh...
peja need to stay!
bearberry said:
Oh please...
There is no credibility to that statement and no reason for it to continue to pop up.
The name of this board is Kingsfans. As fans of the Kings, we come here to talk about our team. Sometimes it's praise; other times it's criticism. Sometimes it's both.
Apparently you weren't here with your righteous indignation when it was Chris Webber being pilloried on a daily basis.
Before you decide to judge us and how we feel about our team, why not get to know us first?
Just to bring up one thing: This is a CONTRACT YEAR for Peja. With MOST athletes, they perform at a top level during their contract year so they can obtain the best possible contract deal. So, basing your opinion of Peja solely on what he's done THE LAST COUPLE OF GAMES isn't really objective.
Kingsfans.com is all about sharing hopes and fears, criticisms and praise. It's the most active Kings board on the Internet. We may not manage to agree all the time, but we're pretty representative of what the entire fan base is thinking, even though they may not actually post here.
If you have something to debate or discuss, please feel free to add to the discussion. But if you just want to complain about how Peja is being mistreated, it's not going to further anything but dissent.
vj9999 said:
How about if he said, "No, I didn't say that." He didn't...and his agent wasn't reachable. That's ridiculous. Agents are ALWAYS reachable, unless they specifically don't want to answer a question.
While I think it's possible that the quote was taken out of context - with something like a "If you are traded, where would you like to play?" lead-in that wasn't included - I strongly suspect Peja, once again, put his foot in his mouth by saying anything at all.
He has to realize that he's the one under the microscope right now, just like WEbber was before. It wasn't fair for Webber, and it's not fair for Peja, but it's a fact of life. The only way to keep from being misquoted is to NOT say anything at all. I wish more of these players would get that through their thick skulls.
VF21 said:
Or he could have said that
I don't disagree with you. I even made a comment about how it is Peja's turn to have a Webber like attention from media/fans. It's hard to keep your mouth shut when you have a mic in your face all the time, but I am in total agreement. Sometimes it is better not to say anything at all or at least give the best answer possible ot keep your current employer/fanbase happy.
Well, VF, just because I didn't registered until now it doesn't mean I haven't been looking at this board long enough. There're many people like me who just look and never bother to post a message, and the only reason why I post is because I don't understand all these bashing going on here (not just on Peja, but others as well).
Like you said, it's NOT OBJECTIVE to judge Peja just for a couple of games, so it's also not objective to judge this team based on a couple of games. If such is true, why can't we support the team and give them at least another 15/20 games or so to prove themselves? How many trading threads we've had already? And you think that's OBJECTIVE?
As for Webber bashing, I never said it's right nor did I even made a comment about it (so there's no credibility in your statment either). And whether my statement has credibility or not -- well, can you honestly say that nobody here has any bias against any players/coach? I don't believe in it.
Like you said, it's NOT OBJECTIVE to judge Peja just for a couple of games, so it's also not objective to judge this team based on a couple of games. If such is true, why can't we support the team and give them at least another 15/20 games or so to prove themselves? How many trading threads we've had already? And you think that's OBJECTIVE?
As for Webber bashing, I never said it's right nor did I even made a comment about it (so there's no credibility in your statment either). And whether my statement has credibility or not -- well, can you honestly say that nobody here has any bias against any players/coach? I don't believe in it.
bearberry said:
You obviously have a misconception about sports message boards. Ours is actually one of the ones with the fewest allowances for player bashing, etc. There is, however, a plethora of discussion on just about everything related to the team, as well there should be. If there wasn't ongoing discussion, there would be no need for a message board.
You can only say "I love Peja" or "I love the Kings" or "I love everybody" or "Go team" so many times before you simply tire and move on. That is, of course, assuming you're interested in more than just repetitive rah-rah nonsense.
I don't know how long you've lurked without posting or how many back threads you've read, but you're under a vast misconception about us and our board. I wouldn't walk into a club house and presume to make statements about the club and its members without doing some research. I would hope someone who is going to come onto our board - or into our clubhouse, as it were - would at least read the old threads before they started making comments about us.
If you want a board where it's just sunshine and roses and happy, happy, joy, joy, you're in the wrong place. This board is about the Sacramento Kings - good, bad and ugly. We're gonna talk about the warts, the wrinkles, the joys and the sorrows. If you don't like how a particular thread is going, simply move on to the next.
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thesanityannex
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I'm still waiting to see a Peja basher repremanded. Seems like you can pretty much say anything about him here with no consequences.
well, i'm *impressed* by the moderator here
To be honest, you can even suspend my ID cause I don't care, if this is how you want to be (so much misconception), that's fine.
And just so you know, I'm not just looking for something pretty and rosy, I know what a sport forum is like. There're a lot for this team to work on, and I cussed when I saw how badly they perform, and so? Please don't judge on me either. At least act like an objective moderator, please
To be honest, you can even suspend my ID cause I don't care, if this is how you want to be (so much misconception), that's fine.
And just so you know, I'm not just looking for something pretty and rosy, I know what a sport forum is like. There're a lot for this team to work on, and I cussed when I saw how badly they perform, and so? Please don't judge on me either. At least act like an objective moderator, please
That's not true, sanity... There is a difference between bashing and criticizing. I have removed posts that were so blatant in their anti-Peja comments that the people who posted them should have been embarrassed. That may be why you didn't see them.
We try to be objective around here but it's not an exact science. You always have the option of referring a post you think is out of line.
This isn't going to go away any time soon, but it will be dealt with in the manner we - the moderators - feel is the best for the board and the membership as a whole.
We try to be objective around here but it's not an exact science. You always have the option of referring a post you think is out of line.
This isn't going to go away any time soon, but it will be dealt with in the manner we - the moderators - feel is the best for the board and the membership as a whole.
bearberry said:
Instead of whining about how Peja defenders are bashed, etc. why not bring some legitimate comments to the board?
I'll be waiting...
You need to read the tips for posting on this forum. If you don't like how it's run, you can deal with it via PMs. Future posts NOT pertaining to the discussion of the Kings players (in this instance, Peja) are going to be deleted.
thesanityannex said:
Agreeing with you here
Back to the thread, I don't believe in the rumor; however, I think it's just a matter of time before Peja is out (whether by trade or signing with another team when he's free agent). I highly doubt that Maloofs will offer him the money he wants, but, if Petrie can't find a possible trade or that Peja can't find better deal, then I think he'll stay (though unlikely). My concern is, if peja is out, who are we getting instead? Even if he sucks, it's not that easy to find someone who brings avg 20+ppg, and with the Princeton offense, we indeed need a consistant outside scorer like him.
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KP
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I think you guys are missing the point, VF and Brick are the Moderators but that doesn't mean the can't have an opinion. Just because they are the Mods doesn't mean they can't disagree or tear apart one of your senseless posts(which both of them can do very well, they are far more knowledgable than most). If you don't like how they mod, why not start your own board and you can be the Mod. I for one like this board and think a lot of different opinions are allowed to be expressed freely here, and I know there is a hell of a lot of people that would agree with me.
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ParniValjak
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Don't you just love to jump the gun latelyVF21 said:
Agents have a life outside of representing their clients.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/13862210p-14701859c.html
Peja's agent denies story of trade request
B]By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 4:28 pm PST Tuesday, November 15, 2005[/B]
It had been less than a day since agent David Bauman talked to his client, Peja Stojakovic.
When last they spoke, Stojakovic's only concern regarding his Kings team was how to speed up its slow start. Yet Bauman's cell phone was suddenly ringing nonstop on Monday, with word spreading that Stojakovic was a requesting a trade.
"My first reaction was, "What the (...) is going on?" Bauman said.
"So I called Peja and wanted to find out if anything had happened in the last 24 hours since we'd talked."
What had happened was an Arlington Heights Daily Herald story which stated that "rumors persist that… Stojakovic wants a trade to the Bulls or is hoping to sign here as a free agent next summer."
The report prompted various NBA Web sites to circulate the speculation that Stojakovic - who asked for a trade before last season - wanted out again. Bauman, though, said that couldn't be more false.
"We categorically deny that we're asking for a trade," Bauman said.
"We haven't discussed free agency at all in the past two months. It's the furthest thing from his mind. I know he just wants to get the team right. These kinds of false rumors, it's almost like they're designed to cause turmoil.
"I guess that's what they need to do to get people to click on their web sites, but I really resent people printing rumors as fact. I can tell you we had nothing to do with it." When asked about the report on Monday, Stojakovic said, "I can't control what the papers (do), or what somebody is going to write. It's going to be what it's going to be. I can't really say what's going to happen (in the offseason)."
Čarolija said:Don't you just love to jump the gun lately
Nope. I stand by everything I said. Bauman probably wouldn't respond until he had a chance to double-check with Peja to make sure Peja had done something like what he did with Voisin when he told her he wanted a trade. The prior act made the possibility of another "trade rumor leak" possible if not probable.
AleksandarN
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VF21 said:
Hey now you tell me what agent would not call his employer when he reads this in the paper? So if that is the case then where were you when all this happened with that other player? As I recall you were on the other side of the coin. What Pedja did last year is not right and I am not going to defend his actions. What I do not like is when people start to judge things that have not occured and it seems I am not the only one.
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AleksandarN said:
Please observe:
VF21 said:
I said the agent wasn't reachable because he didn't want to answer a question. Why didn't he want to answer the question? Because he hadn't talked to Peja AND he was afraid Peja might just have said something to fuel the flames of the latest rumor. So, instead of talking to reporters, Bauman had to wait - something agents generally do not like to do.
As far as Webber goes, I suggest you check your facts before you make veiled comments. I said MANY TIMES that I wished Webber would not say anything to anyone because the possibility of miscontrued comments was rife. I'm saying the same thing about Peja.
But you won't ever think I'm doing anything but bashing Peja, so what good does it do for me to try and rationalize your misconceptions of my feelings?
Peja is a Sacramento King. Right now, he's playing very well and I truly hope it continues. Why wouldn't I? If he does well, it contributes to my team doing well. When stuff comes up that seems to indicate he doesn't want to be here, I am NOT going to advocate begging him to stay. I felt the same way when Mitch Richmond wanted out and Mitch meant a LOT more to this franchise than Peja has.
I'm not the villain some of you like to believe I am. What I am - to the bone - is a Kings fan who wants the best for this team I love. I should be allowed to have a perception about what I think is best, just like anyone else. I present those perceptions with respect; I do not bash players. I do criticize when I feel it's warranted and I back up those criticisms with specifics. My perceptions change, just like in real life.
I'm sorry you continue to feel that I have some kind of personal vendetta against Peja because it simply is not true.
AleksandarN
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VF21 said:
Maybe I did not make my point clear. I critize Pedja for alot of things and I really do not have anything against people who do. What I did not get is when people criticize him for things that are not warranted.
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