Peja responds to trade talk (merged)
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albeitrue said:
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ReinadelosReys
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Bricklayer said:
But up until last season, neither had a team with no "superstars/potental/futureHOF'ers." Screw conventional wisdom! It can happen two years in a row!
BobbyJ_for3!
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Raise your hand if you personally could see the trade for Chris Webber developing...
Now, for Mike Bibby
Anyone know about the trade for Brad Miller?
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How about the Cat, Cuttino Mobley?????
if we were going to trade peja, would we know about it....???
have we ever been in the mind of Petrie???
did anyone read the article about how the Maloofs and Petrie's wife don't even know what is going on with the kings, player managment wise?
i rest my case
(even if we did trade peja and somehow knew about it, would it be a bad trade?has petrie EVER made a bad trade?especially when its one of his closest friends hes trading away...)
Raise your hand if you personally could see the trade for Chris Webber developing...
Now, for Mike Bibby
Anyone know about the trade for Brad Miller?
.....
How about the Cat, Cuttino Mobley?????
if we were going to trade peja, would we know about it....???
have we ever been in the mind of Petrie???
did anyone read the article about how the Maloofs and Petrie's wife don't even know what is going on with the kings, player managment wise?
i rest my case
(even if we did trade peja and somehow knew about it, would it be a bad trade?has petrie EVER made a bad trade?especially when its one of his closest friends hes trading away...)
sloter
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Bricklayer said:
Sorry, Brick. The genius of Petrie does not agree with you that it should be Pedja that should be traded. If you think about it, our whole team except for Evans and somewhat Mobley is unathletic, and you could be searching for an answer elsewhere... perhaps get something ahtletic and get rid of a humongous contract ...
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annoyablepnoy
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trade peja for tom brady.
Bricklayer
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ReinadelosReys said:But up until last season, neither had a team with no "superstars/potental/futureHOF'ers." Screw conventional wisdom! It can happen two years in a row!
That was pretty clearly a freak thing, but even so they won it the way the less talented champions have always won it -- defense. Could probably almost make it a law in the NBA -- "the championship will be won the Great team with the fewest injuries, or barring the existence of a truly Great team, by the good team who plays the best defense."
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annoyablepnoy
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Trade all the players for junk save money and buy superstars!!!!!!!! and get sam cassel and tom brady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bricklayer
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sloter said:
The genius of Petrie is both fallible and thus far ringless if you will note. He's very good, but he's also unfortunately dealing with a friend.
In any case, none of us (as usual) has any idea what he's thinking. The only person who ever really claims to is Ailene Voison, and of course that's a sad sad joke given that nobody will even talk to her.
ReinadelosReys
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Shaka Zulu said he knows the Kings....well at least Chris Webber.
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sloter said:
You may WANT it to be so, but wanting it to be so does not make it work that way in the real world. The real world says that since Magic and Bird entered the league EVERY team that has ever won a championship before last season was led by a HOF superstar. EVERY one. A one year blip going through injured teams and running into a team in full fledge internal meltdown doesn't suddenly trump the previous 25 years.
Freak occurrence.
ReinadelosReys
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The Red Sox win the World Series, a tornado touches down in Sacramento, the Kings win a ring with offesne and not defense. Yep, that sounds about right. All in a year of freak occurances. 
Bricklayer
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sloter said:
Freak occurrence. Would have been wiped off the floor by just about any other championship team in the past 25 years. Might have made it close with the Spurs (weak themselves) or Rockets (who would have lost the first 3 games and then came back to win the next 4 on last second shots).
slugking50
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Peja and Jason Giambi said the same thing yesterday. Nothing! They said alot of words but it was all mumbo jumbo. Peja was a bit agitated but I dontr blame the reporters. He wouldn't answer the dang questions. It was nothing but double speak.
: sighs :
: sighs :
i am with sloter: team is much more important than a superstar. the recent championship teams with superstars were great teams. lakers had very good penalizing shooters, defensive stoppers; ditto for the spurs. ditto for the bulls, rockets, etc. having a superstar or two buying into the concept of a team is what makes a team special. but if kobe-ism (there is "me" in "team") becomes ubiquitous, which is in the process of becoming safe for a few special players, teams like the pistons will be the heros of more and more freaky occurrences.
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twocents said:
You are contradicting yourself -- or perhaps drawing the wrong conclusions. Championship teams DO need teamwork, but too much teamwork is just as harmful to your chances in the end as too much "me"ism. There has always had to be "the man" -- the one incredible talent powering the team, taking the big shots, the goto guy defining the team and the guy who you turn to when the going gets tough. That's not "unteam", that is simply the optimum "team" structure to win a championship with. One man takes the point, the rest of the team gets behind him and pushes.
Team does NOT equal parity.
But what makes the great teams Great is that not only do they have a defining player or players, superstars to lead and carry them, but that a) everyone else acknowledges them and follows them; and b) that the superstars understand that the path to greatness involves making everybody else better too.
The guys who never figure out b) will not win (see Kobe), and of course teams with superstars who don't put aside their individual agendas will not win either (see Lakers last year or Minnesota this year) but it does not invalidate the winning structure for every championship team except one since disco was still king. You get a Hall of Famer, and have both a) and b), it has always trumped any non-superstar structure.
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Now, you're talking.annoyablepnoy said:
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#1sacfan
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Team >>>> Superstars. Argentina has proved that against the States 2 times in a row. Pistons proved it last year and the Lakers and Celtics of the 80's and the Bulls of the 90's were the best teams because the superstars of those teams bought into the team concept.
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#1sacfan, although the team NBA that represented the USA was filled with a bunch of All-Stars they did not represent the best in the USA. First of all we needed a real PG like Bibby or something, 2nd of all their was no Shaq, KG, Kobe, Tracy, etc. etc., yes their was TD, yes there was LBJ, yes there was Amare, but your right we needed a team not a bunch of superstars. On top of that they were not ready for the Euro game and when you don't have a great team your not going to be able to beat a quality team like Argentina was who is used to the game.
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annoyablepnoy
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trade peja for africa
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#1sacfan
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bigbadred00 said:
All I said was that a team won over superstars, it was not an attack on the U.S. team. Oh and any team that has A.I., Tim Duncan, Amare Stoudamire, Dwayne Wade and Lebron James is actually a great collection of players and talent.
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#1sacfan said:
No, the problem with those teams is that do NOT have recognized superstars -- and I'm not talking about talent. They are disorganized blobs where everybody thinks they are "the man", nobody has any roles, and eveybody runs around playing 1 on 5 with little or no concern for what the rest of the team is doing. See b) above.
You actually CAN stack a team with too much talent if that talent does not buy into things.
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