Peja needs to go

[KP]

1. maybe he isn't given 110% because it is not in his nature.Well I think right now his nature is telling himself that he shouldn't give 110% in a situation that is not in what he wants his basketball future to be.It is common for a disgruntled player to perform at a subpar level if that player has no desire to be in that particular uniform.Vince catert just recently came out and said he wasn't given 110 % before his trade to the NETS. He can't give 110% anyway. You're saying he's disgruntled and so he's performing sub par? You're comparing Vince Carter to Pedja? What's next? Tracy McGrady? Those two situations were ENTIRELY different.

2. I am going to go ahead and speak for him. my Basketball instincts tell me that he doesn't feel comfortable with his role on the TEAM, you can use race color and other means to say that what I am seeing is all illusion,but i have been away from home before sorrounded by people that didn't speak my language and yes I understand his situation and been in his shoes to know that type of feeling.But I think my basketball intuition is serving my feelings right about this matter. You don't have the RIGHT to speak for Pedja. You're not his friend, his family, his agent, his mother, etc. Your basketball instincts, whatever that means, are irrelevant. Unless you were an NBA player from a foreign country and a STAR at that, you have nothing in common with Pedja. You're just a fan like the rest of us. I know that's tough for you to swallow, but that's just the way it is.

3.I don't need to go to a Basketball game to overstand that there are still fundamental basketball chemistry issues going on ON the court maybe not off the court because you don't have to go home with your TEAM and you can joke it right off which is common with people these day's with fake folks.But on the court with how the TEAM has played and how peja is used into the mix of things is not what I believe he views himself doing as a player.COMMON basketball intuitive feelings TELL ME HE WANTS OUT You don't need to actually go to game to UNDERstand everything that goes on. Whoa. I'm suitably impressed. What do you do? Just depend on the voices in your head? Are they what tells you he wants out? IF - and that's a pretty big IF - you had actually been to some games, you might have a better basis in fact for some of your statements. The fact you haven't speaks volumes.

4.You can go to all the KINGS games all you want my BASKETBALL feeling tells me that he wants more responsibilty given to him as a scorer. Your basketball feeling tells you he wants more responsibility? Funny. My lamp told me the same thing.

5. I didn't say these two were at ODDS with one another, like I said maybe OFF the court they giggle and joke and shoot the stuff.But on the court from what I see it's an obvious power struggle going on. Again, you aren't seeing the whole thing. You may see a power struggle because it's obvious that you so desparately WANT to see a power struggle. You've contradicted yourself a number of times in this regard. You can't have both ways. Either Pedja is attempting to stand up for himself (hence the power struggle) or he's defeated and gived up (no power struggle). Well, since you've frequently indicated he's NOT standing up for himself, not happy, not assertive, etc. he can't possibly be conducting a power struggle.

6.Your talking about staged DRAMA versus real life everday people doing what they do everyday in real life situations real life no script DRAMA.Which is different from staged PROP rehearsals.REAL PEOPLE REAL LIFE things are shaped quite different. Um, what? Pedja is NOT duplicitous. It's simply not a part of his nature. Is he totally happy right now? Nope. You can spot it every time you see him - if you ever saw him, that is. But is it because he's unhappy with the team OR is it because he hasn't played well, his back is still problematic, it's been reported he's having family difficulties, etc. Are those all true? Don't know. Are they possible? Every bit as possible as your scenarios.

I love the pink.

 

[rnmeuy]

did i miss something? what family difficulties is Peja having?

 

[VF21]

did i miss something? what family difficulties is Peja having?

RUMORS about his girl-friend/wife wanting to take their son back to Greece. RUMORS that she is not happy in Sacramento, although Pedja has purchased his family a home here to be close to him. ALL RUMORS.

The point is there could be a lot of reasons for Pedja's performance on the court this year. I was simply listing some possibilities. I, of course, have no way to confirm the rumors and I just wish he and his family well in that respect. NO JOB should be more important than your family IMHO.

 

[Bricklayer]

NO JOB should be more important than your family IMHO.

A good sentiment personally, not a good one professionally. You want to win? Find the guy without perspective who detests losing with an ugly passion and would give up ANYTHING to triumph, to be great.

 

[VF21]

I beg to differ. Everyone has their own personal beliefs about their lives, their careers, etc. I personally think FAMILY has to come before whatever I do to earn money. Is that perfect for NBA player? Probably not. But I have other issues that would preclude me from being successful in the NBA anyway... I'm short.

 

[KP]

I'm short.

How short?

 

[VF21]

How short?

Let's just say Spud Webb would have towered over me by a good 1/2 foot or more.

 

[shaka zulu]

NOTE: This is in response to shaka zulu's last response to me. His comments are in black; mine are in my strikingly captivating hot pink.

1. maybe he isn't given 110% because it is not in his nature.Well I think right now his nature is telling himself that he shouldn't give 110% in a situation that is not in what he wants his basketball future to be.It is common for a disgruntled player to perform at a subpar level if that player has no desire to be in that particular uniform.Vince catert just recently came out and said he wasn't given 110 % before his trade to the NETS. He can't give 110% anyway. You're saying he's disgruntled and so he's performing sub par? You're comparing Vince Carter to Pedja? What's next? Tracy McGrady? Those two situations were ENTIRELY different.

2. I am going to go ahead and speak for him. my Basketball instincts tell me that he doesn't feel comfortable with his role on the TEAM, you can use race color and other means to say that what I am seeing is all illusion,but i have been away from home before sorrounded by people that didn't speak my language and yes I understand his situation and been in his shoes to know that type of feeling.But I think my basketball intuition is serving my feelings right about this matter. You don't have the RIGHT to speak for Pedja. You're not his friend, his family, his agent, his mother, etc. Your basketball instincts, whatever that means, are irrelevant. Unless you were an NBA player from a foreign country and a STAR at that, you have nothing in common with Pedja. You're just a fan like the rest of us. I know that's tough for you to swallow, but that's just the way it is.

3.I don't need to go to a Basketball game to overstand that there are still fundamental basketball chemistry issues going on ON the court maybe not off the court because you don't have to go home with your TEAM and you can joke it right off which is common with people these day's with fake folks.But on the court with how the TEAM has played and how peja is used into the mix of things is not what I believe he views himself doing as a player.COMMON basketball intuitive feelings TELL ME HE WANTS OUT You don't need to actually go to game to UNDERstand everything that goes on. Whoa. I'm suitably impressed. What do you do? Just depend on the voices in your head? Are they what tells you he wants out? IF - and that's a pretty big IF - you had actually been to some games, you might have a better basis in fact for some of your statements. The fact you haven't speaks volumes.

4.You can go to all the KINGS games all you want my BASKETBALL feeling tells me that he wants more responsibilty given to him as a scorer. Your basketball feeling tells you he wants more responsibility? Funny. My lamp told me the same thing.

5. I didn't say these two were at ODDS with one another, like I said maybe OFF the court they giggle and joke and shoot the stuff.But on the court from what I see it's an obvious power struggle going on. Again, you aren't seeing the whole thing. You may see a power struggle because it's obvious that you so desparately WANT to see a power struggle. You've contradicted yourself a number of times in this regard. You can't have both ways. Either Pedja is attempting to stand up for himself (hence the power struggle) or he's defeated and gived up (no power struggle). Well, since you've frequently indicated he's NOT standing up for himself, not happy, not assertive, etc. he can't possibly be conducting a power struggle.

6.Your talking about staged DRAMA versus real life everday people doing what they do everyday in real life situations real life no script DRAMA.Which is different from staged PROP rehearsals.REAL PEOPLE REAL LIFE things are shaped quite different. Um, what? Pedja is NOT duplicitous. It's simply not a part of his nature. Is he totally happy right now? Nope. You can spot it every time you see him - if you ever saw him, that is. But is it because he's unhappy with the team OR is it because he hasn't played well, his back is still problematic, it's been reported he's having family difficulties, etc. Are those all true? Don't know. Are they possible? Every bit as possible as your scenarios.

pink #1 yes you can compare this situation with peja with the vince carter situation the apparent similarities are quite striking the only difference is the time span,this peja thang has only been going on a half of season while the vince carter situation has been dragging on for a few seasons now.They may have slightly different reasons why both players carry on the way they do,but the fundamental reason is both the same.Vince carter became injury prone missing games here and there Vince's game kind of slacked off he was clearly not giving it his all using his full potentional.The same with peja presently now missing games having multiple different missing game elements,Peja slacking off of teh super play he displayed last season,Vince's thing was a little bit longer but peja is in the pre stages of that same develpoment.


pink# 2 I don't need someone at the game that will validate my opinions for me and I don't need to be anyone's friend or neighbor or anything else under the pink to make valid my opinion about this game i have enough stripes so I feel I don't need any validation. I don't need to woof about this and woof about that to have a truth that I hold for myself.I know that's tough for you to swallow but that's the way it is

pink # 3 like I said I don't need to go to a 82 games a year to overstand this situation and how it relates to a persons game.I don't need to woof about this or that and I don't need overstanding of the game in that matter I have enough close up knowledge to base an evaluation.

pink # 4 It is clearly obvious to me again, peja is a scorer and people that score need the basketball in volume loud numbers to be effective.

pink #5 Yes he was in a power struggle,That power struggle was over and done with maybe 40 something games ago and he did loose, now the motions are just ran through he is playing like a wounded animal,You can see it clear I know I can see it.He doesn't want to play right now and the inury is all mental there are really no excuses.

pink # 6 maybe it's a little bit of both,But it's defenitely to me chemistry issues on the court and I can point a thousand of them in detail.

 

[VF21]

pink #1 yes you can compare this situation with peja with the vince carter situation the apparent similarities are quite striking the only difference is the time span,this peja thang has only been going on a half of season while the vince carter situation has been dragging on for a few seasons now.They may have slightly different reasons why both players carry on the way they do,but the fundamental reason is both the same.Vince carter became injury prone missing games here and there Vince's game kind of slacked off he was clearly not giving it his all using his full potentional.The same with peja presently now missing games having multiple different missing game elements,Peja slacking off of teh super play he displayed last season,Vince's thing was a little bit longer but peja is in the pre stages of that same develpoment. No, YOU apparently can compare the situations. I cannot and will not because it's like comparing apples and oranges. If your topic is fruit, fine, but if not you've lost the comparison at the very beginning. Vince Carter and Pedja Stojakovic are NOT similiar. Their situations are NOT similiar. And I defy you to PROVE that Pedja is "slacking off."


pink# 2 I don't need someone at the game that will validate my opinions for me and I don't need to be anyone's friend or neighbor or anything else under the pink to make valid my opinion about this game i have enough stripes so I feel I don't need any validation. I don't need to woof about this and woof about that to have a truth that I hold for myself.I know that's tough for you to swallow but that's the way it is. Tough for me to swallow? LOL! Don't overestimate the importance or lack thereof of your opinions to my appreciation and love of this team and the game of basketball. I can honestly say with complete candor you have NO influence on me whatsoever. Stripes? You're a former official? That, too, would speak volumes.

pink # 3 like I said I don't need to go to a 82 games a year to overstand this situation and how it relates to a persons game.I don't need to woof about this or that and I don't need overstanding of the game in that matter I have enough close up knowledge to base an evaluation. If you don't attend the games, any knowledge you have of situations is not germane to the present discussions. I have repeatedly talked about first person observations. You cannot argue about something you have no knowledge of and it's apparent you have no knowledge first-hand about what has and has not been going on with the team on the sidelines, during breaks, before games, etc.

pink # 4 It is clearly obvious to me again, peja is a scorer and people that score need the basketball in volume loud numbers to be effective. Pedja is a scorer. BUT he's a scorer who is currently not making shots, even when wide open. And after a couple of misses, he actually passes the ball away rather than make more attempts. So to say he needs the ball in volume is erroneous. He's had the ball and passed it away, sometimes even twice in one possesion.

pink #5 Yes he was in a power struggle,That power struggle was over and done with maybe 40 something games ago and he did loose, now the motions are just ran through he is playing like a wounded animal,You can see it clear I know I can see it.He doesn't want to play right now and the inury is all mental there are really no excuses. Now you're just being silly. I don't know what you can see, but I suspect you're seeing things the voices are telling you to watch. Pedja HAS been injured this year, starting in Utah and continuing to this day. His back isn't 100%, and the pulled hamstring could be indicitive of additional problems such as dehydration caused by the flu OR it could be a simple cramp. We don't know but we do know for a FACT it's not all mental. Had you been at games, you might have noticed that.

pink # 6 maybe it's a little bit of both,But it's defenitely to me chemistry issues on the court and I can point a thousand of them in detail. Of course you can point to a thousand of them. I'm just hoping you won't. What you're failing to acknowledge is that even Ailene "Poison" Voisin, who absolutely LOVES to point out things wrong with the Kings, has said the chemistry issues have been resolved and that the team is NOT mired in conflict.

I'm sure you'll continue to watch with glee as the team struggles, since you're never here when things are going good. I'm sorry to continually counter your statements with silly things like facts, but your criticisms are just too far out in left field to be allowed to remain uncontested.

 

[shaka zulu]

pink #1 yes you can compare this situation with peja with the vince carter situation the apparent similarities are quite striking the only difference is the time span,this peja thang has only been going on a half of season while the vince carter situation has been dragging on for a few seasons now.They may have slightly different reasons why both players carry on the way they do,but the fundamental reason is both the same.Vince carter became injury prone missing games here and there Vince's game kind of slacked off he was clearly not giving it his all using his full potentional.The same with peja presently now missing games having multiple different missing game elements,Peja slacking off of teh super play he displayed last season,Vince's thing was a little bit longer but peja is in the pre stages of that same develpoment. No, YOU apparently can compare the situations. I cannot and will not because it's like comparing apples and oranges. If your topic is fruit, fine, but if not you've lost the comparison at the very beginning. Vince Carter and Pedja Stojakovic are NOT similiar. Their situations are NOT similiar. And I defy you to PROVE that Pedja is "slacking off."


pink# 2 I don't need someone at the game that will validate my opinions for me and I don't need to be anyone's friend or neighbor or anything else under the pink to make valid my opinion about this game i have enough stripes so I feel I don't need any validation. I don't need to woof about this and woof about that to have a truth that I hold for myself.I know that's tough for you to swallow but that's the way it is. Tough for me to swallow? LOL! Don't overestimate the importance or lack thereof of your opinions to my appreciation and love of this team and the game of basketball. I can honestly say with complete candor you have NO influence on me whatsoever. Stripes? You're a former official? That, too, would speak volumes.

pink # 3 like I said I don't need to go to a 82 games a year to overstand this situation and how it relates to a persons game.I don't need to woof about this or that and I don't need overstanding of the game in that matter I have enough close up knowledge to base an evaluation. If you don't attend the games, any knowledge you have of situations is not germane to the present discussions. I have repeatedly talked about first person observations. You cannot argue about something you have no knowledge of and it's apparent you have no knowledge first-hand about what has and has not been going on with the team on the sidelines, during breaks, before games, etc.

pink # 4 It is clearly obvious to me again, peja is a scorer and people that score need the basketball in volume loud numbers to be effective. Pedja is a scorer. BUT he's a scorer who is currently not making shots, even when wide open. And after a couple of misses, he actually passes the ball away rather than make more attempts. So to say he needs the ball in volume is erroneous. He's had the ball and passed it away, sometimes even twice in one possesion.

pink #5 Yes he was in a power struggle,That power struggle was over and done with maybe 40 something games ago and he did loose, now the motions are just ran through he is playing like a wounded animal,You can see it clear I know I can see it.He doesn't want to play right now and the inury is all mental there are really no excuses. Now you're just being silly. I don't know what you can see, but I suspect you're seeing things the voices are telling you to watch. Pedja HAS been injured this year, starting in Utah and continuing to this day. His back isn't 100%, and the pulled hamstring could be indicitive of additional problems such as dehydration caused by the flu OR it could be a simple cramp. We don't know but we do know for a FACT it's not all mental. Had you been at games, you might have noticed that.

pink # 6 maybe it's a little bit of both,But it's defenitely to me chemistry issues on the court and I can point a thousand of them in detail. Of course you can point to a thousand of them. I'm just hoping you won't. What you're failing to acknowledge is that even Ailene "Poison" Voisin, who absolutely LOVES to point out things wrong with the Kings, has said the chemistry issues have been resolved and that the team is NOT mired in conflict.

I'm sure you'll continue to watch with glee as the team struggles, since you're never here when things are going good. I'm sorry to continually counter your statements with silly things like facts, but your criticisms are just too far out in left field to be allowed to remain uncontested.

pink #1 yes they are similar not in the manner of what there trip is what the issue is.Vince didn't want to be in canada anymore for alot of chemistry reasons and probably some AMERICAN home sickness.Peja on the other hand he misses his comrad VLADE and he doesn't like this situation he's in in sacramneto and It's so apparent.The situations are similar when yo udon't want to play somwhere the 1 st symptoms are TRADE me sucka.Then if that doesn't work you start feeling ill and injured more than often, these things are classic I don't want to be hear anymore signs.

pink # 2 That's good I shouldn't have an influence on your mind because if I did then something would be wrong.I am a firm supporter of the free mind body and soul.

pink #3 like I said I don't need such and such relaying what happen at the game to let me know what's black and white of the way the game is played in clear view.maybe you need to go to the games and watch but I really don't need to do that. Now you keep talking about your group of individuals who know first hand about what is going on you keep saying these things like you have first hand knowledge.First of all do you know CHRIS WEBBER.I know the brother, you keep dropping these people around like they know this and that because they sit in the first row.But see i really know these dudes what is so funny about this whole conversation. But it aint about dropping names here and there we are talking discussing isssues on the game and at times most of the times we don't agree but have different opinions.But it's all Good

pink # 4 He's not making shots because I personally think he's not getting the ball in rythym enough when he does get the ball to shoot.He is not getting enough open looks and when he does it's a real suprise to him I think his rythym is thrown off by it.He's passing up open looks because he is trying to fit old boy cuttino into the mix of things,He's actually trying to spread the wealth.They are not screening enough for him to get open enough and most of the times they start looking for him as a last option.

pink # 5 He is injured because his suffering fron the second symptoms of TRADE ME SUCKA.

pink #6 BASKETBALL CHEMISTRY IS A CONCERN.FOR THEREFORE THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD WOULDN'T BE TRADE THE SUCKA PEJA.

 

[VF21]

You know Chris Webber? Whoa. Can you get me his autograph? Please? I mean - you KNOW Chris Webber? OMG. How could I ever doubt anything you've said. YOU know CHRIS WEBBER. My stupefication knows no bounds! YOU KNOW CHRIS WEBBER!!!!!!

 

[shaka zulu]

You know Chris Webber? Whoa. Can you get me his autograph? Please? I mean - you KNOW Chris Webber? OMG. How could I ever doubt anything you've said. YOU know CHRIS WEBBER. My stupefication knows no bounds! YOU KNOW CHRIS WEBBER!!!!!!

I aint into dropping names and stuff but why you keep dropping them at me.Don't get it really

 

[shaka zulu]

You know Chris Webber? Whoa. Can you get me his autograph? Please? I mean - you KNOW Chris Webber? OMG. How could I ever doubt anything you've said. YOU know CHRIS WEBBER. My stupefication knows no bounds! YOU KNOW CHRIS WEBBER!!!!!!

I don't think you are stupid but it's all just a difference in opinion here aint nothing more than that.We just have different Truth's

 

[Vlad]

Peja's not getting as many shots, and the shots he is getting are not nearly as good. No one is looking for him like Vlade did last year, and the screens he is getting are worse too. Last year, he would get a few easy layups each game (as would everybody else) from Vlade. Also, when Vlade had the ball, his main intention was to pass and set someone up with an easy shot. When Vlade had the ball, Peja slashed, cut, and ran all over the court to get open, knowing he would get the ball if he was.

 

[VF21]

Vlad - Pedja is still getting some easy lay-ups. The problem has been, recently at least, that he's missing them.

If Pedja cannot play in a system without his own personal assist-maker out there, then perhaps he should move on.

 

[SacTownKid]

Vlad - Pedja is still getting some easy lay-ups. The problem has been, recently at least, that he's missing them.

If Pedja cannot play in a system without his own personal assist-maker out there, then perhaps he should move on.

The talk about Peja having to have his personal assist-maker is crap. There just isn't enough room in the offense for him, especially now that Cat throws up 15-18 shots a game. My first idea of a solution was that Peja needed to lead the team in shot attempts every game but that apparently is not going to happen. I just don't understand why one of the best shooters in the league is relegated to 4th option. So with that said, the way this team seems to be structured, it would be best if he went. Unless the team decides to involve him more.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

The talk about Peja having to have his personal assist-maker is crap. There just isn't enough room in the offense for him, especially now that Cat throws up 15-18 shots a game. My first idea of a solution was that Peja needed to lead the team in shot attempts every game but that apparently is not going to happen. I just don't understand why one of the best shooters in the league is relegated to 4th option. So with that said, the way this team seems to be structured, it would be best if he went. Unless the team decides to involve him more.

What? Who regulated him to the 4th option. Wait, it was Webber wasn't it. He's conspired against Peja and has now recruited Cat, Mo, Barnes and even Special K in this evil plan. Peja offense, heck pretty much his whole game is predicated on him moving...he moves, he gets open shots. He stands in the corner and lets the D focus on him, then he's not going to get open. Mike moves, gets open, get a shot. Cuttino moves, gets open, gets a shot. Mo Evans moves, gets open, gets a shot. Eddie House moves, gets open, gets a shot. Heck, just look at the end of that Dallas game. Peja moves, Webb gets him the ball, an open shot. What does he do? Passes it back to Chris.

 

[VF21]

STK - Have you read the rest of my comments?

Bottom line is I think Pedja is still a valuable asset to this team, but I'm tired of the excuses ESPECIALLY the "Vlade is gone so Pedja can't do anything" one. Pedja hasn't been hitting easy shots. Lay-ups, corner threes that used to be money in the bank, and even free throws. That's no one's fault but Pedja's. There could be a lot of mitigating factors. I know his back has been a real problem; nothing throws a shooter off like back spasms.

Your first idea of a solution was wrong. What he needs to do is, first of all, get healthy again. Then he needs to hit the gym a LOT and get his shot back. He WAS one of the best shooters in the league and he can be again. AND he can be a valuable part of the Kings offense. It's not Pedja first and Kings second. It's Kings first and everyone else has to find a way to best fit into whatever dynamics Petrie and Adelman create.

It's Petrie's decision to make on whether or not Pedja can fulfill a meaningful role here. It's Petrie's decision to make on whom, if anyone, he thinks can step in at mid-season and make us better than we are with Pedja. I would love to see Pedja stay, reintergrate into the offense AND continue to improve on defense. On the other hand, if Petrie makes a move and Pedja goes elsewhere I will wish him well, knowing full well there's a very good chance he will never have it as good elsewhere as he had it here.

 

[PixelPusher]

The talk about Peja having to have his personal assist-maker is crap. There just isn't enough room in the offense for him, especially now that Cat throws up 15-18 shots a game. My first idea of a solution was that Peja needed to lead the team in shot attempts every game but that apparently is not going to happen. I just don't understand why one of the best shooters in the league is relegated to 4th option. So with that said, the way this team seems to be structured, it would be best if he went. Unless the team decides to involve him more.

He's a great shooter, but he can't create his own shots. You can't lead your team in scoring if you rely on others to create your offense. Everyone brings up last season, when he was having an MVP calibur first half. The key phrase being "first half", when the Kings had a Charmin Ultra Soft schedule against mostly Leastern Conference teams. Any time he runs into an Elite team (SA, MN, Lakers earlier in his career) he is shut down. Not "slowed down" or "contained", but shut down completely. I'm not an "Anti-Peja" guy, I like him, and minus Doug Christie, he's our best defender on a team devoid of defensive players. But I think Kings Fans see more in Peja than there actually is.

 

[Vlad]

STK - Have you read the rest of my comments?

Bottom line is I think Pedja is still a valuable asset to this team, but I'm tired of the excuses ESPECIALLY the "Vlade is gone so Pedja can't do anything" one. Pedja hasn't been hitting easy shots. Lay-ups, corner threes that used to be money in the bank, and even free throws. That's no one's fault but Pedja's. There could be a lot of mitigating factors. I know his back has been a real problem; nothing throws a shooter off like back spasms.

Your first idea of a solution was wrong. What he needs to do is, first of all, get healthy again. Then he needs to hit the gym a LOT and get his shot back. He WAS one of the best shooters in the league and he can be again. AND he can be a valuable part of the Kings offense. It's not Pedja first and Kings second. It's Kings first and everyone else has to find a way to best fit into whatever dynamics Petrie and Adelman create.

It's Petrie's decision to make on whether or not Pedja can fulfill a meaningful role here. It's Petrie's decision to make on whom, if anyone, he thinks can step in at mid-season and make us better than we are with Pedja. I would love to see Pedja stay, reintergrate into the offense AND continue to improve on defense. On the other hand, if Petrie makes a move and Pedja goes elsewhere I will wish him well, knowing full well there's a very good chance he will never have it as good elsewhere as he had it here.

Peja probably will never have it as good as he had it here last year. But this year, being anywhere else would probably result in a better year for him personally.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Peja probably will never have it as good as he had it here last year. But this year, being anywhere else would probably result in a better year for him personally.

Well unfortunately for Peja the Kings don't operate to serve his personal needs.

 

[6th]

Peja probably will never have it as good as he had it here last year. But this year, being anywhere else would probably result in a better year for him personally.

Oh, yeah, and as Kings fans, we all know that it is all about Peja (personally) before the good of the team. Geesh! I have had enough. Trade him already. Maybe the Kings fans will be KINGS fans again.

 

[Vlad]

He's a great shooter, but he can't create his own shots. You can't lead your team in scoring if you rely on others to create your offense. Everyone brings up last season, when he was having an MVP calibur first half. The key phrase being "first half", when the Kings had a Charmin Ultra Soft schedule against mostly Leastern Conference teams. Any time he runs into an Elite team (SA, MN, Lakers earlier in his career) he is shut down. Not "slowed down" or "contained", but shut down completely. I'm not an "Anti-Peja" guy, I like him, and minus Doug Christie, he's our best defender on a team devoid of defensive players. But I think Kings Fans see more in Peja than there actually is.

I think Kings fans see more in any Kings player than there actually is. That's the whole point of being a Kings fan.

 

[KP]

Trade him already. Maybe the Kings fans will be KINGS fans again.

Does this mean I can put you down for a yes in the trade Peja poll?

 

[Odoylerules]

Peja is the most tradeable commodity the kings have, along with bobby. he needs to be traded, because this team as it is right now cannot win a title, and the pieces are out there for the Kings to be a much better squad.

 

[shaka zulu]

He's a great shooter, but he can't create his own shots. You can't lead your team in scoring if you rely on others to create your offense. Everyone brings up last season, when he was having an MVP calibur first half. The key phrase being "first half", when the Kings had a Charmin Ultra Soft schedule against mostly Leastern Conference teams. Any time he runs into an Elite team (SA, MN, Lakers earlier in his career) he is shut down. Not "slowed down" or "contained", but shut down completely. I'm not an "Anti-Peja" guy, I like him, and minus Doug Christie, he's our best defender on a team devoid of defensive players. But I think Kings Fans see more in Peja than there actually is.

you don't average 24 + points a whole season without not being able to create your own shot He did alot of that last season creating his own shot.Alot of the time they would give him the ball at the elbow and let him go to work on on one,folks just see the 3 point shots and all the perimeter stuff, but I saw him on numerous occasions create his own shot which he defintely can.Probably not like kobe or mcgrady but those guy's are smaller peja is a 6'9 and some so his off the dribble shot making is going to a little different not so shak n bake like a kobe,but more in the way bird did when he created his own shot which he did finding the soft spots on teh floor.Peja also finished teh whole season 2nd behind garnett in the MVP voting.Who knows what he would have done if his game wasn't so interrupted at the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Odoylerules]

How can anyone want to keep Peja??

I understand being a peja fan, but lets be honest:

THE GUY DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE!!

Look at his play this year. He is avoiding contact and rebounding worse than normal. Yes, he has been injured here and there, but his heart just isn't in it. It shouldnt be a shocker to anyone that his play has fallen off.

He wants out. He said it over the summer. He has reiterated it numerous times this year. His heart (what heart he has) is set on playing somewhere else.

Bobby and Peja both come off the books next year. We need to get something for them. Letting them go via free agency shouldn't be an option.

All the Peja lovers out there need to realize that the guy isn't going to change his mind. He already is mentally out of sacramento. He rarely talks to the media anymore, leaving immediately after games out a back door.

I believe we can do better for the team than Lamar Odom, but we need to do something.

The team as it is right now is not a good team at all. Lost 7 of 10. 10-9 since the Mobley trade. 6 game roadie coming up against some very tough teams.

It needs to happen. get on board, people.

 

[Vlad]

I think the Kings should ship him or Webber off immediately. They CAN'T keep both since Peja isn't changing his BAD attitude. While it would seem fair to trade Peja first because he is the one who doesn't want to be here, the Kings should also look to make the trade that is better for the TEAM.

 

[Vlad]

An interesting thing I notice is that most Kings fans would rather trade Peja than Webber, but the GM and owners feel exactly the opposite way. I wonder why they think Peja should stay and Webber should go (besides age/salaries/potential)

 

[KP]

but the GM and owners feel exactly the opposite way. I wonder why they think Peja should stay and Webber should go (besides age/salaries/potential)

Where did you get that idea from the NY media (lol)?