Patrick Ewing coming to the Kings?

HereWeVivek said:
idk if thats worthy of bragging
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huh? outside of this year, in which he came off of back surgery and a bum shoulder, he has been the leagues top center, taken a team to the finals, a defensive beast, and heck still managed a decent season this year despite the mess in LA.
 
kingjatt said:
huh? outside of this year, in which he came off of back surgery and a bum shoulder, he has been the leagues top center, taken a team to the finals, a defensive beast, and heck still managed a decent season this year despite the mess in LA.
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I would respectfully disagree. Until Yao retired due to injuries, Yao was clearly a better true center. Howard may have better numbers in certain stats, but Yao was a much more complete player. Yao had an arsenal of post skills along with the ability to shoot accurately out to 18 feet. Teams cannot hack-a-Yao as he is always the top 2 or 3 in FT % on his own team. Yao's Rockets were also known for their good defense and the 7'6" big fella in the middle had a lot to do with that even though it doesn't always show on the stats.

If you look at individual match ups between the 2, Yao owns Howard almost every time they play. Howard is ultra athletic but lacks skills immensely and it really shows more than every once his injuries started piling up. I would also say that last year when Bynum was healthy, he was a better center than Howard as well.
 
kingjatt said:
huh? outside of this year, in which he came off of back surgery and a bum shoulder, he has been the leagues top center, taken a team to the finals, a defensive beast, and heck still managed a decent season this year despite the mess in LA.
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he is good because of his athleticism and shotblocking. his offensive skillset is pretty horrendous
 
HereWeVivek said:
he is good because of his athleticism and shotblocking. his offensive skillset is pretty horrendous
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The last thing Cousins has to work on is his offense, besides low post moves of course. If Ewing can teach Cousins and our other bigs to defend properly, i would be all for the hire.
 
jcwkings said:
The last thing Cousins has to work on is his offense, besides low post moves of course. If Ewing can teach Cousins and our other bigs to defend properly, i would be all for the hire.
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oh i know. im definitely not against hiring Ewing, i think it would be great.

i was just saying, im not impressed by Dwight Howard
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
I would respectfully disagree. Until Yao retired due to injuries, Yao was clearly a better true center. Howard may have better numbers in certain stats, but Yao was a much more complete player. Yao had an arsenal of post skills along with the ability to shoot accurately out to 18 feet. Teams cannot hack-a-Yao as he is always the top 2 or 3 in FT % on his own team. Yao's Rockets were also known for their good defense and the 7'6" big fella in the middle had a lot to do with that even though it doesn't always show on the stats.

If you look at individual match ups between the 2, Yao owns Howard almost every time they play. Howard is ultra athletic but lacks skills immensely and it really shows more than every once his injuries started piling up. I would also say that last year when Bynum was healthy, he was a better center than Howard as well.
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ummm im not a dwight defender by any means and believe he is somewhat overrated but you are completely wrong when comparing Yao to Dwight.

Yao only played 2 complete seasons as opposed to Dwights 5, plus a 78 and 79 game season. cant do much if your not on the floor.

better at defense? umm dwight won DPOY 3 years in a row and is 4x first team all defense.

Yao? zero defensive awards.

better at offense? Yao 52% from the field for his career, Dwight 58%. 19 pts 9 rebs for Yao and 18pts 13 rebs for dwight.

but those are just stats as you say Yao was a much more "complete" player?

matchups between the two? who cares they played eachother twice a year in meaningless regular season games, but if you would like to hang your hat on that to make a case for Yao being better, good luck.

and as i said before dwight took a team of nobodies to the finals, how far did yao take his teams? oh the second round once.
 
All I've seen on Ewing points to the Bobcats, not the Kings.

"The Charlotte Bobcats are bringing in Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing for an interview on Wednesday for their lead assistant position, someone close to the situation informed CSNNW.com. According to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter, says “It's Ewing's job for the taking.” CSNNW.com
Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm "
 
HereWeVivek said:
rumor is Patrick Ewing might be meeting with the Kings about a job
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If you post something like this, please include a link back to where you saw the rumor or whatever. Makes it a lot easier for people to determine how much credence - if any - they're going to give.

Thanks.

:)
 
VF21 said:
If you post something like this, please include a link back to where you saw the rumor or whatever. Makes it a lot easier for people to determine how much credence - if any - they're going to give.

Thanks.

:)
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sorry! i didnt know this was going to turn into a separate thread, i just threw that comment into the Coach Malone thread.
 
I've seen zero evidence Ewing offers anything as a coach. D12 still doesn't even have a go to post move and barely added anything to his game while in Orl with him.

Hakeem on the other hand....
 
rainmaker said:
I've seen zero evidence Ewing offers anything as a coach. D12 still doesn't even have a go to post move and barely added anything to his game while in Orl with him.

Hakeem on the other hand....
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that seems unlikely to ever happen. if Hakeem actually wanted to work as a full-time NBA coach/assistant, he'd have turned into one years ago and would've been welcomed by any team in the league with open arms. seems to me, he prefers to work with a handpicked couple of guys in the offseason and gets paid handsomely for that anyway.

edit: as far as Ewing goes, great idea! if there's a guy that could teach Cuz defense, it'd be him. also, what would he do on the Bobcats, who there would he want to coach? working with Cousins should be a much more enticing proposition for him.
 
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From what I read in the past, Ewing was underwhelming as a coach
Though he was an assistant for the magic and Dwight is still a zero on offense, I think it has to do more with Dwight's IQ more than anything
 
Don't know that Ewing is anything special as a coach.

If the rumor is true however it again shows we are thinking about this in exactly the right way. Have potentially the best big in the game on the roster, go out and bring in a legendary center to coach him/serve as mentor.
 
kingjatt said:
ummm im not a dwight defender by any means and believe he is somewhat overrated but you are completely wrong when comparing Yao to Dwight.

Yao only played 2 complete seasons as opposed to Dwights 5, plus a 78 and 79 game season. cant do much if your not on the floor.

better at defense? umm dwight won DPOY 3 years in a row and is 4x first team all defense.

Yao? zero defensive awards.

better at offense? Yao 52% from the field for his career, Dwight 58%. 19 pts 9 rebs for Yao and 18pts 13 rebs for dwight.

but those are just stats as you say Yao was a much more "complete" player?

matchups between the two? who cares they played eachother twice a year in meaningless regular season games, but if you would like to hang your hat on that to make a case for Yao being better, good luck.

and as i said before dwight took a team of nobodies to the finals, how far did yao take his teams? oh the second round once.
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Read before you get all hot and bothered. I never said Yao is better at defense. I said Yao was a big reason why the Rockets team of that era was a good defensive team. Though he may be a better defender than Yao, it doesn't mean Yao is a bad defender.

What I'm getting at is Howard has only 1 real post move and it showed clearly this year when he loss some of his athleticism. If a guy that only has 1 move and dunks is the BEST, then this is seriously a sad sad time. A lot of people didn't watch Yao enough to appreciate how skilled he was. He can post from either side and hook with either hand, baseline fadeaways, etc. That is a complete center. That is why Shaq likes Bynum more than Howard (that 1 year) and I agree with him on that.

Howard was never a good on ball defender. He won those awards because he led the league in blocks and good team defense made him look better than he is. If you believe so firmly in those awards, explain why Roy Hibbert wasn't even in the 1st or 2nd all-defensive team when he anchored his team's #2 rated defense.

If you are comparing shooting percentages, try looking up Yao's free throws % vs Howard's. The Lakers loss more than a handful of close games the lakers loss this year when their opponents started hacking Howard. You can't be considered as "best" if you can't be depended upon down the stretch in games.

Regarding Howard taking his team to the finals, did you forget how weak the east was in those years vs the west? That team of nobodies you speak of had 3 all stars, high caliber role players such as Hedu (he was great those years), a team full of 3 point shooters and a good team defensive system.
That argument is completely flawed when you compare 2 players base on their teams when they played in difference conferences and had different role players. You can be as high as a 4th seed at one point with around a .500 record in the east. The Magic also got a big break that year from KG's knee if I remember correctly.

On the same note, I would easily pick our DeMarcus Cousins over Howard any day and I've been telling my friends that since his rookie year. A center is suppose to play in the post with his back to the basket and I can never call Howard the best when there are at least 5 centers currently thats better in the post than him.
 
Dwight winning DPOY awards doesn't mean crap to me. He's really not all that at D. Good weak side defender/shot blocker. Average post/face up defender. He just sells well to the public eye.
 
When a guy has Drtg that is 5 points less than anybody on his team, he is a great defender.
When you have 3-4 guys from the same team basically with the same value in Drtg like Pacers, Grizzlies or Thunder, it's team effort within team scheme that makes them great.
 
Bricklayer said:
Don't know that Ewing is anything special as a coach.

If the rumor is true however it again shows we are thinking about this in exactly the right way. Have potentially the best big in the game on the roster, go out and bring in a legendary center to coach him/serve as mentor.
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This is pretty much how I am ading this! As a coach he has been nothing special and at times comes off as a sour puss for not being taken seriously for head coaching roles.

But, bringing him in as a mentor and a coach for Cousins would be huge. Ewing would come in and instantly demand respect because he could talk to DMC with great deal of success behind him!
 
Whats with all the Dwight Howard hate? He'd be the best player on this team and it wouldn't even be close.

Ewing coming in could be interesting. He had a ton of skills and was a good defender. I'm not sure if he was a good defender based on technique or length though. Cousins isn't nearly as long as Ewing, so Ewing's shot blocking techniques might not work at all for Demarcus.
 
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