PACIFIC DIVISION breakdown 05-06

jay dubb

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I got this from another kings forum and I thought it was kinda interesting


Kings Roster:
C-Brad Miller, Brian Skinner, Jamal Sampson
PF-Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Kenny Thomas
SF-Peja Stojakovic, Corliss Williamson
SG-Bonzi Wells, Francisco Garcia, Kevin Martin
PG-Bibby, Hart, Price*
*Probable inactive Roster player

The Kings added Shareef Abdur-Rahim, arguably the best unrestricted Free Agent Big man from this offseason crop. In doing so they add another all-star caliber player to their starting 5. He'll bring a sorely needed low post game and can step out and pop in 15-20 footers pretty consistently. Also, his passing game should be improved in the Kings Princeton style motion offense. He should fill in admirably for the departed Chris Webber. I look at SAR as a poor man's Chris Webber or a "current" version of C-Webb(after the knee surgery) in terms of talent and production(although SAR is more efficient in production than C-Webb ever was). Also Kings traded away two playeres who rarely played on last season's 50 win team for a player who I consider the X-factor, Bonzi Wells. If Wells, plays anywhere near his potential, Kings EASILY win the Pacific division. If not, they'll have to battle it out with another team from down south, PHX. Being in a contract year, Bonzi should be on his best behavior and be as focused as he ever has been in this league. I look at Bonzi to have a breakout year. He's gotten a fresh start and a 2nd chance. I think anything he's done in his past will stay there in his past. Prediction: 51-58 wins

Suns Roster:
C-Kurt Thomas, Brian Grant
PF-Amare Stoudemire, Pat Burke
SF-Shawn Marion, James Jones, Dijon Thompson
SG-Raja Bell, Jimmy Jackson, Diaw
PG-Steve Nash, Barbosa

The Suns have lost A LOT in the departures of Q and JJ. However, they'll still be one of the better teams in the league next season. Adding Bell and James Jones will soften the blow. However where I think the Suns lost the most ground was moving Amare and Marion down a position through the addition of Kurt Thomas. Thomas is truly a PF but always gets stuck playing center. He's a nice player, but now opposing teams centers will guard him instead of Amare. And instead of PF's guarding Marion, SF's will. This is going to slow down the PHX fast break quite a bit, IMO. This is where you'll see them drop 10-15 games in the win column this season.(Teams will be better able to keep up with their run n gun style). They just will not average anywhere near 110 points next season. That being said, their defense has improved significantly and I think there bench is a wee bit better than last season(albeit OLDER). So like any team I think next season, IF they stay injury free the Suns look to win 50+ again next season. Prediction 48-56 wins.

Warriors Roster:
C-Adonal Foyle, Andris Biedrins
PF-Troy Murphy, Ike Diogu, Taft*
SF-Mike Dunleavy, Mickael Pietrus, ZARKO
SG-Jason Richardson, Calbert Chaney
PG-Baron Davis, Derek Fisher, Ellis*
*possible NBDL candidate

I think the Warriors will be a more improved team next season than they have in seasons past. I like Ike Diogu and think he may start for them(replacing Troy Murphy) in the starting line-up later in the season. They had a nice run last season near the end after acquiring B-Diddy. With a training camp with the team, I don't see why they won't improve on that. They have one of the better backcourts in the league and have young and inxperienced front court that could really develop in the next few years. With that being said, the warriors will still be a team that is on the bubble come playoff time. There is a learning curve to winning and that'll take time.
Prediction: Warriors: 37-44 wins

Los Angeles Clippers Roster:
C-Chris Kaman, Zleko Rebraca
PF-Elton Brand, Chris Wilcox
SF-Corey Maggette, Korolev?(will the clips be able to bring him over)
SG-Cuttino Mobley, Quinton Ross
PG-Sam Cassell, Shaun Livingston

The Clippers had an interesting off-season. They lost Simmons(tough defense and versatility) and gained Mobley(3 point shooting) which is something they sorely lacked last season. That trade-off looks to be a wash. The biggest improvement came though adding Sam Cassell(even if he is a nut job.) He provides veteran leadership and can guide a young team to the playoffs. (notice i said can NOT will.) It is his contract year, so he may very well be on his best behavior like Bonzi. Plus, this allows Livinston to grow and learn and not take on too much, too fast. In my opinion the CLips go where Sam Cassell takes them. They have virtually the same team as last year with the exception of Sammy and less bench. I have this feeling though that Sammy's body will break down on him this year again. Leaving the Clips scrambling as Livingston learns the ropes even more. Prediction: 35-43 Wins

Los Angeles Laker Roster:
C - Chris Mihm, Andrew Bynum
PF - Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Mevedenko
SF - Lamar Odom, Devean George, Jumaine Jones
SG - Kobe Bryant, Laron Profit*, Von Wafer*
PG - Aaron McKie, Sasha Vujacic*, Smish Parker*, Tony Bobbitt*
*Possible options for NBDL or Inactive roster.

I really can't see what Mitch Kupchak is doing here. The only thing I think they have improved on from last year is allowing Odom to move down to the three spot. Other than that, they are a far inferior team to last season, talent wise. I do NOT understand the signing of Aaron McKie. If most teams were smart they would play a pressing and trapping defense against the Lakers to put pressure on McKie. He is not the ideal guy to initiate the offense with. The frontcourt is weak. Kwame Brown may break out, but I doubt it. Caron Butler was by far the better basketball player, BUT the Lakers are desperate and took a chance. They're hoping it pays off. I can't see the Lakers NOT adding a veteran POINT guard to their roster. I don't know if Payton would want to go back there, I don't think they can afford Watson, maybe a trade is in the works. But if that PG issue isn't addressed soon they're going to have a bleaker season than last year. Phil's a good coach, but if they Lakers expect a miracle from him with this roster, they need to sit down and take their pills. The Lakers won't be embarrassed, but they'll lose more games than they will win.
Prediction: 29-37 wins

That's the way I see as things stand pat right now. Injuries can change things in hurry as we are all aware of. Trades or signings could shift things a bit, but as of today. That's how I see the Pacific dividion shaking down this year.
 
man lakers have a bunch of undrafted scrubs, and I think the Warriors will do well. The whole idea of "learning to win" is mute once you look at teams like Phoenix and Denver. Besides, these guys have been together for a long time.
 
this is a pretty fair analysis of the pacific. what kills me is this persons predictions. what kind of a prediction allows for a margin of 7-8 games? the kings will win 50-58....hm....doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, considering they've been a 50-win team for the last 5 seasons. :p
 
It should be made clear that this is a fan's viewpoint from another forum, and not a professional sports analysis...
 
funkykingston said:
Personally, I think the Kings will win between 10 and 70 games, give or take a game or two.

what kinda prediction is that? you gotta aim for the stars, my friend. i say the kings win between 0 and 82 games next season...with the usual +/- a game or two. ;)
 
Padrino said:
oooh, 800 posts. what do i win?

lol, as long as the Kings win, you'll feel like a winner too Pad, no matter what your post count. (congrats on 800!)

(glad to see you've gone out on a limb on the prediction stakes ! ;) )
 
I'm going to predict 82 wins, subject to daily revision.

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Londonking said:
lol, as long as the Kings win, you'll feel like a winner too Pad, no matter what your post count

mmmmhmmmmm. kings wins translate to warm fuzzies. gotta love that warm fuzzy feeling ya get when your favorite basketball team wins. the 2005-2006 nba season cant start soon enough.
 
wow22 said:
man lakers have a bunch of undrafted scrubs, and I think the Warriors will do well. The whole idea of "learning to win" is mute once you look at teams like Phoenix and Denver. Besides, these guys have been together for a long time.

"Moot," not mute. And the situation with the Warriors is far different that Denver or Phoenix. Denver was a playoff team before last year and had talent, they just weren't playing well together. And Phoenix had a lot of proven talent who had shown in the past they could win, they just hadn't played together a lot. J-Rich and Davis haven't proven that they can play well for a team for an entire season and lead them to the postseason. Outside of Fisher they don't have any proven veterans, and even their coach is only in his 2nd year in the NBA. They are good and have talent, but 2 borderline all-stars does not make a winning team. They need more time together and need to be tested more before they will be good enough to win. And these guys being together for a long time should worry Warrior fans- they have a proven track record of falling short and under achieving. Every few years the Warriors but together a better team, that team fails to meet expectations, and then management blows it up. Forgive me if I'm not sold.

Solid article all in all. Sometimes I get the feeling that most fans have more knowledge of the game than pro writers.
 
I predict the Kings fail to continue their 50 game win streak. Winning about 39 games. Bibby continues to be regarded as a terrible defender, even though he's ranked 10th in the league in steals. Bonzi Wells eventually implodes sometime close to the all-star break a la Artest. Peja realizes his pay day is coming no matter if he plays great or just plays up to the standard he's played at for the past 7 years. Brad gets upset and even more whiney until finally getting suspended for hitting Eric Dampier. Shareef is his regular old productive self, still a good citizen and wondering to himself..."why does this always happen to me." Amazingly there are no injuries. And in the end everybody blames Adelman.:p
 
BigSong said:
I predict the Kings fail to continue their 50 game win streak. Winning about 39 games. Bibby continues to be regarded as a terrible defender, even though he's ranked 10th in the league in steals. Bonzi Wells eventually implodes sometime close to the all-star break a la Artest. Peja realizes his pay day is coming no matter if he plays great or just plays up to the standard he's played at for the past 7 years. Brad gets upset and even more whiney until finally getting suspended for hitting Eric Dampier. Shareef is his regular old productive self, still a good citizen and wondering to himself..."why does this always happen to me." Amazingly there are no injuries. And in the end everybody blames Adelman.:p

Well, not everybody.

If any of those things come to pass, I'm gonna come looking for you.

;)
 
I agree with the writer except I put the Clippers at 3rd instead of the Warriors. The main question with the Kings is how will Bonzi and Shareef fit into the passing offense of Adelman. If they fit in, you win this division easily because the Suns will struggle. In fact, if the Clips catch fire, they will push the Suns to 3rd.
 
Your're going to eat all your words come 05-06 season bigsong. They're a better team this year than last and inspite of the trades and injuries they had,they still had a 50 win season. So expect a 5-10 game improvement...55-60 wins this season. Remember this day bigsong when you ridiculed the kings.
 
warriors are gonna win 50+..... REMEMBER WHO SAID IT! lol.....

i predict a kings/spurs WCF.........
 
Fillmoe said:
warriors are gonna win 50+..... REMEMBER WHO SAID IT! lol.....

i predict a kings/spurs WCF.........

it hinges on Baron Davis and if history means anything he won't play anywhere near a full season which could mean another mediocre year for the Warriors. I am starting to believe that that guy's body just can't handle a full NBA season.
 
BigSong said:
I predict the Kings fail to continue their 50 game win streak. Winning about 39 games. Bibby continues to be regarded as a terrible defender, even though he's ranked 10th in the league in steals. Bonzi Wells eventually implodes sometime close to the all-star break a la Artest. Peja realizes his pay day is coming no matter if he plays great or just plays up to the standard he's played at for the past 7 years. Brad gets upset and even more whiney until finally getting suspended for hitting Eric Dampier. Shareef is his regular old productive self, still a good citizen and wondering to himself..."why does this always happen to me." Amazingly there are no injuries. And in the end everybody blames Adelman.:p
Although I'm more optimistic than you, if one of these happens then it could trigger a chain reaction. Anyway I like pleasant surprises rather than expectations.
 
BigSong said:
I predict the Kings fail to continue their 50 game win streak. Winning about 39 games. Bibby continues to be regarded as a terrible defender, even though he's ranked 10th in the league in steals. Bonzi Wells eventually implodes sometime close to the all-star break a la Artest. Peja realizes his pay day is coming no matter if he plays great or just plays up to the standard he's played at for the past 7 years. Brad gets upset and even more whiney until finally getting suspended for hitting Eric Dampier. Shareef is his regular old productive self, still a good citizen and wondering to himself..."why does this always happen to me." Amazingly there are no injuries. And in the end everybody blames Adelman.:p

Sadly the most surprising thing would be no injuries.
 
jay dubb said:
Suns Roster:
C-Kurt Thomas, Brian Grant
PF-Amare Stoudemire, Pat Burke
SF-Shawn Marion, James Jones, Dijon Thompson
SG-Raja Bell, Jimmy Jackson, Diaw
PG-Steve Nash, Barbosa

The Suns have lost A LOT in the departures of Q and JJ. However, they'll still be one of the better teams in the league next season. Adding Bell and James Jones will soften the blow. However where I think the Suns lost the most ground was moving Amare and Marion down a position through the addition of Kurt Thomas. Thomas is truly a PF but always gets stuck playing center. He's a nice player, but now opposing teams centers will guard him instead of Amare. And instead of PF's guarding Marion, SF's will. This is going to slow down the PHX fast break quite a bit, IMO. This is where you'll see them drop 10-15 games in the win column this season.(Teams will be better able to keep up with their run n gun style). They just will not average anywhere near 110 points next season. That being said, their defense has improved significantly and I think there bench is a wee bit better than last season(albeit OLDER). So like any team I think next season, IF they stay injury free the Suns look to win 50+ again next season. Prediction 48-56 wins.

i have the same feeling about the suns adding Kurt Thomas and Brian Grant... the reason the suns were so good last year was because they could out run and out gun every team... with Kurt Thomas and Brian Grant in the middle, the suns will be considerably slowed...

i think this will be very much like when the bucks (with Ray Allen, Sam Cassell and Glenn Robinson) tried to add Anthony Mason at PF to try and add the defensive toughness... what it basically did was slow them down and take away their main advantage; a high powered, uptempo offense... with Kurt Thomas at Center slowing the suns down, i think the suns will also be slowed and brought back down to earth....
 
All I have to say is Thank you to Jay Dubb and KingsofNba for realizing what made Phoenix so good last year, and how the new additions are going to drastically affect their team. Well put guys, atleast some people pay attention to the negatives going defensive does for Phoenix. Not as much run N gun, less 3's, half court sets=Not as good as last year, and 2nd fiddle in the Pacific.
 
jay dubb said:
I got this from another kings forum and I thought it was kinda interesting


Kings Roster:
C-Brad Miller, Brian Skinner, Jamal Sampson
PF-Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Kenny Thomas
SF-Peja Stojakovic, Corliss Williamson
SG-Bonzi Wells, Francisco Garcia, Kevin Martin
PG-Bibby, Hart, Price*
*Probable inactive Roster player

The Kings added Shareef Abdur-Rahim, arguably the best unrestricted Free Agent Big man from this offseason crop. In doing so they add another all-star caliber player to their starting 5. He'll bring a sorely needed low post game and can step out and pop in 15-20 footers pretty consistently. Also, his passing game should be improved in the Kings Princeton style motion offense. He should fill in admirably for the departed Chris Webber. I look at SAR as a poor man's Chris Webber or a "current" version of C-Webb(after the knee surgery) in terms of talent and production (although SAR is more efficient in production than C-Webb ever was). Also Kings traded away two playeres who rarely played on last season's 50 win team for a player who I consider the X-factor, Bonzi Wells. If Wells, plays anywhere near his potential, Kings EASILY win the Pacific division. If not, they'll have to battle it out with another team from down south, PHX. Being in a contract year, Bonzi should be on his best behavior and be as focused as he ever has been in this league. I look at Bonzi to have a breakout year. He's gotten a fresh start and a 2nd chance. I think anything he's done in his past will stay there in his past. Prediction: 51-58 wins.

How is that true? Maybe over the last 2 years, but in comparison to Webber in his hayday, SAR is pretty much garbage. Webber FG% is even higher over the last 7 years. I hope the best from SAR, but he will need to perform pretty heavily to meet with these expectations.
 
bigbadred00 said:
How is that true? Maybe over the last 2 years, but in comparison to Webber in his hayday, SAR is pretty much garbage. Webber FG% is even higher over the last 7 years. I hope the best from SAR, but he will need to perform pretty heavily to meet with these expectations.

I blinked when I saw that too. The only thing I can think of is that SAR takes fewer shots and makes way more free throws because he gets to the line more often and shoots free throws at a very high percentage. Therefore the poster thinks he's a more efficient scorer.

I'm not sure if I agree with it, but I guess the case could be made.
 
Kings just need to stay healthy (*knocks on wood *) . We will be contending for the wcf IF we manage to be healthy which hasn't been the case since we were called "contenders " for the title .
 
bayoucity said:
I agree with the writer except I put the Clippers at 3rd instead of the Warriors. The main question with the Kings is how will Bonzi and Shareef fit into the passing offense of Adelman. If they fit in, you win this division easily because the Suns will struggle. In fact, if the Clips catch fire, they will push the Suns to 3rd.

Me too...Eventhough I say this every year, I think the Clipps will make some noise this year with that starting line-up.
 
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