Omri - redux

[OptimusRhyme]

Hey, that shot only missed by two feet.. A little fine tuning and in a couple of years, that shot goes in..

one can only hope.. for our sake! and the kings future!

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I vote for starting Casspi. But then I said that before this game. He hustles on defense, and there's no comparing Mason to him on offense. The Kings would be able to spread the floor more with Casspi on the floor. That opens up the middle more for Thompson, who saw nothing but traffic in there with Evans and Mason on the floor together.

Lets face it. Evans isn't a secret around the league. Everyone knows he's going to drive to the basket. Everyone knows that Mason can't hurt them from the outside. Thompson is a legit scoring threat, but he's basicly a guy that scores in the post. So if your the other team, you just clog the middle and make the Kings beat you from the outside. Thats what the Thunder did. On the other end they took advantage of the fact that we didn't have a true center on the floor and just attacked the basket.

Casspi,would not only help open the floor more for Thompson and Evans, but he'd give us more size on the defensive end, and he'd help with the rebounding. Will he make mistakes? Yes! Will he have some bad games? Sure!. But I would rather be asking those questions, instead of, will Mason have a good game? Will Mason actually hit a shot from 10 feet or futher? And please don't give me anymore BS about his defense. It didn't help much last night, did it?

Start Casspi. It can't hurt, and it might just help.

100 % Exactly!

too add on we have Mason for one season..then we will never see him again. We have Casspi for Three.. Are we going to wait till garcia gets better to try and get Casspi minutes? because I dont think thats going to go over so well minutes wise with Nocioni,Garcia,Casspi & Greene. NOW IS THE TIME that Omri should be getting those minutes because of the unique injury situation we are in. Everything happends for a reason.. And I dont think The injury gods blew up that physio ball so Mason could get 20+ minutes a game at SF.


So I would like to hear the argument from the people who are voting "not yet, but in time".. because it just seems like they are voting and not saying anything to back up there votes?

 

[gunks]

Mason is old and stinks. Noci- "worst trade ever" -oni stinks. Omri is a friggin beast. The ONLY reason against him starting is to have a capable scorer off the bench. Whether he starts or not he should be getting at LEAST 25mpg.

Considering his rapid progress since summer league I think it's safe to say that he'll be an allstar by the break, a star in the playoffs (which we only make by virtue of Omri), and a HOFer in the SAC/LA western finals (which we lose thanks to bad reffing).


....Suffice it to say, I clicked the "hell yes" button.

 

[rainmaker]

I really can't think of a valid arguement for not starting Omri. He's without question, better on both sides of the ball than Mason. He's a better player right now than Mason, and every game the gap is getting bigger.

Also, from a chemistry standpoint, keeping Mason is the starting lineup will actually hurt this team, not just the development of Omri. Omri will help spread the floor, making life of Tyreke easier. Keeping Mason in there will let teams pack it in around the paint, cutting off a lot of lanes for Tyreke. If we want JT and Hawes to continue to improve their post up game, we need a 3pt threat out there so they have space to operate.

Keeping Omri on the bench would acually hurt Tyreke, JT, and Hawes(if he ever gets his arse in the post). These guys need space to operate, and having a sf that can't hit an open shot outside of 5ft will not help anyone.

As for the arguement that if we start Omri we don't have enough scoring off the bench, that reasoning doesn't apply if we're already down 10-15pts by the time Omro checks in. And having Omri come off the bench doesn't increase our chance of winning the game.

 

[Prince_XY]

You need a veteran in the starting unit. A seasoned veteran who is both a leader and a gatekeeper, someone to keep things in line when things go out of control, and things will get out of control with such a young lineup.

At a time when the teams needs stability, leadership, and steadiness, you're talking about offense, offense, offense. Offense is the least of this team's problem. Nobody is saying play Omri zero minutes. There is no rule that you HAVE to start the game to improve as a player. When you're playing the game, you cannot wait until things completely fall off the wagon before you put in the veteran to settle things, by then it's too late. And you cannot sub in the vet at the first hint of unsettlement because you disrupt the flow. No, you start the vet and when things go steady you put in the young gun. That's why Raymond Felton starts over DJ Augustin and Darius Songalia starts over Javale McGee. It's called good coaching.

Now, are we still going to insist starting that old veteran Mason ( who is at best a 6th man material ) instead of the clearly better young gun Casspi after this dismal openning game just for the sake of mixing-up the starting line up with a " savvy" veteran?

 

[rainmaker]

Now, are we still going to insist starting that old veteran Mason ( who is at best a 6th man material ) instead of the clearly better young gun Casspi after this dismal openning game just for the sake of mixing-up the starting line up with a " savvy" veteran?

I would say Noc is a better 6th man, although I see your point.

 

[beb0p]

Now, are we still going to insist starting that old veteran Mason ( who is at best a 6th man material ) instead of the clearly better young gun Casspi after this dismal openning game just for the sake of mixing-up the starting line up with a " savvy" veteran?

You're are ready to abandon ship after just one game??!!!! One game!??

Here's the deal, if Casspi continues to play like he did and Mason continues to play like he did, and the team continues to stink, then sure make the change. It's what I've been saying.

But you don't pull the trigger after one game!!! Tyreke didn't have a good game and I would never, ever, ever, say bench him for (insert name here).

Also, what were some of you expecting?? A win? On the road?? Com'on now. You have to give this team a chance to jell to even contemplate winning on the road.

Casspi played 19 mins and will only see his PT increase from here. As long as he gets the PT, that's the important part, not whether or not he starts. Again, that's been my point all along. A coach has to be compose and methodical. Not rash and impatient. A good coach will never, ever make a drastic change after just one regular season game.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShkRuYGlXVM&translated=1

I just thought i would post Omris highlights of yesterdays game in case some people didnt get too see his smooth play in action.

The second last pump fake step to the side fade away shot reminded me alot of Peja.
Enjoy

 

[CruzDude]

Quote:
Originally posted by Reem
I'm a casspi fan and I want noc to start, I don't want Omri will get too hyped, he has a lot of presure outside the court with being the first Israeli etc... he should build his nba game step by step

Quote:
Originally Posted by mac
The only problem with starting Casspi may be the lack of offense off the bench. Our second unit would have basically no one who can score much other than Noc.

I love Omri but he needs time to learn NBA defense and offense. D so he can be a better defender once he has a better grasp of the offense coming from the SG and SF he will encounter. At this point Mason is a much, much better defender who can score some but doesn't seem the scoring type, more the Bruce Bowen type who can score from time to time but not every night.

mac makes a very valid point about then lack of scoring off the bench especially with Cisco gone until sometime in February.

 

[bajaden]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShkRuYGlXVM&translated=1

I just thought i would post Omris highlights of yesterdays game in case some people didnt get too see his smooth play in action.

The second last pump fake step to the side fade away shot reminded me alot of Peja.
Enjoy

Yeah, very similar move. Peja used to fade to his left instead of his right. But other than that, its the same shot. He's surprisingly quick getting his shot off despite bringing it up from his waist.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I love Omri but he needs time to learn NBA defense and offense. D so he can be a better defender once he has a better grasp of the offense coming from the SG and SF he will encounter. At this point Mason is a much, much better defender who can score some but doesn't seem the scoring type, more the Bruce Bowen type who can score from time to time but not every night.
.

Why is there so much love for Mason? the guy is not the defender everyone is saying he is. Bruce Bowen??!? HAHA! are you kidding me,, Masons not half the defender Bowen was and at least Bowen could hit a jumpshot. Masons game is posting up, geting rebs and clogging the lanes.

Those very same lanes that Kevin and Tyreke make a living off of by penetrating into and creating. Mason just does not fit with our other 4 starters. We need a shooter to stretch the D and open up the lanes.

You said it yourself Omri needs the time to develop, so we need to put him on the floor now! while Garcia is out...

Whats going to happen when Garcia comes back? Cisco is going to get the starting nod at SF and Mason is going to get all the backup minutes?
because hes our "bruce bowen" type defender ?helll no!

Mason is gone in a year. Omri is ours for the long term. Omri needs those minutes now while the roster is short handed.

We are going to suck this year.. we already know this. this is a developmental season for our players of the future. We are wasting the oppurtunity by letting Mason suck up Omris minutes. Just like last year when Mikki sucked up JTs minutes.

 

[Jechtsphere]

Omri has a very quick release but he seems to be a quick learner.

He knows the game as basketball as well or better than anyone else on our team.

Mason is a starter that gives us nothing...just a filler, as bad as we are we can't afford some filler starting.

I say the ones who start should actually be helping the team instead of having no effect either way.

 

[dbfish]

It's obvious that the starter should either be Noc or Casspi, Mason should absolutely NOT be starting. I'd rather see Noc start for now while Casspi is getting a little more experience. However, if Casspi keeps playing like this he'll be starting in no time...

Dont forget Donte, who should be relegated to handing out towels in the shower.