Ok Geoff Whats Next? Trades and Deals !

[allrightythen]

My question is what are we gonna get for what we have. It looks to me like we won't be trading Martin (who has the most trade value) and Garcia (who doesn't have a whole lot of trade value anyway. Douby is probably on the staying list as well cause no one wants him now anyway cause he hasn't done anything yet (not a knock on him).

But who is going to take Artest, Bibby, Miller, Thomas, Reef, or Salmons right now when their value is all so low. I'm afraid Theus will have the un-enviable job of trying to get these guys to all play and play well to create some trade value before the dealing can really start. At the same time he's doing that he's gonna have to work with the young guys and thier development. This rebuild may take more than 1 or 2 summers I think.

I'm still with them though. GO KINGS!

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I really think people are missing out on what's happening in the league. The Warriors beat the Mavs because they were able to blow them off the floor with their athleticism. The Jazz have good athletes at every position and were able to wear down the slow-footed Rockets.

The league has gotten incredibly more athletic in the last five years, but we're stuck in the stone age.

The Warriors beat the Jazz because their coach had coached the Mavs 2 years ago and mentored their coach and knew just how to attack their weaknesses. Then they got blown out by a team that was far less athletic, but tougher and a lot more skilled.

 

[BRad1055]

Tim Duncan is atheltic? When did this happen? lol

 

[BRad1055]

We ARE NOT going for a championship we are rebuilding, we will have a young team. Why can't people understand that? If you think were building a team for a championship u are dead wrong and will be very disappointed.

 

[Bricklayer]

We ARE NOT going for a championship we are rebuilding, we will have a young team. Why can't people understand that? If you think were building a team for a championship u are dead wrong and will be very disappointed.

All rebuilding is headed toward a championshiop, or should be.

As an aside, I do not think it is ahtleticism per se that is definitive, but traits that are the RESULT of athelticism. Can you rebound out of your area?? Can you finish inside? Can you block shots and clog the lane with mobility? Can you move your feet and stay in front of your own man? Are you strong enoguh to stand in there in the post? Can you absorb contact on your offensive moves?

Veyr atheltic players have major advanatages in all those area, hence being an athlete = better than just being tall. But if you happen to be a basketball savant, and are able to acheive all those things wihtout athleticism, its the traits themselves, ratehr than how atheltic you are in going about them that determines your future.

Hawes lack of athelticism concerns me. But its his lack of ability to DO the things that atheltes do --rebound, defend etc. -- that is the real danger. If he had averaged Shaq's numbers as a frosh (13rebs and 3blks) the lack of ahtleticism would have been much less of a concern. Since instead he averaged numbers that would make an Ivy League center blush, its a concern. The concern being that the lack of athleticism has bled over to make him unable to compete int he areas he needs to compete.

 

[LA King Fan II]

If there is a discrepancy with the use of the word athletic how about...

The Kings need some players who can look for a rebound and elevate and NOT find themselves staring into the crotches of opponents. Ummm, Webber, Peja, Miller, Rahim, Vlade, Ostertag, Hawes could probably give better positive circumcision id stats in the NBA then any players in history.

Blah draft pick. No plan. No clue. No change. Trade everyone.

 

[Gary]

Hawes/BWright/Salmons/Garcia/Douby or Price

is a VERY nice core in the future.

That core is not very good.. First off you have a combo guard running the point, and a SG/PG that is 6'5 playing SF who is a bench player at best. A guy at PF who didn't rebound well, and a guy at center who didn't rebound or block shots.

Kinda a crappy core imo..

If I had to look 3 years down the road I would rather have;

C - Hawes
PF - DeAndre Jordan (athletic enough to get away w/ playing PF in the NBA or C
SF - Garcia
SG - Martin
PG - Mayo

If the Kings have this lineup going into the 2009 season all will be forgiven. But of course we will need 2 first rounders next year to pull this off... Not unheard of though as bad as the Kings will be next year our pick could be top 3.

 

[tjobrien]

I think this topic is somewhat acenine:

How eyeronnick.


(asinine)

 

[uptempo-kings]

In order for the King's to get rid of The Guys they have and get a decent team we Need Partners that have Cap issues(Phenoix/Denver) and Teams that have Room(Charlotte/Memphis).

We Know denver wants to dump Camby and Kenyon Martin but they could use Millier to fill the void thoes departures would leave.

How about This... K-Mart to Memphis/ B. Miller to Denver/and Gasol to Sacramento. There wold have to be some additional stuff but It might work.

Another Deal I would try is Bibby to Clevland for Damon Jones + Eric Snow(who we could deal to somebody else).

The Big Problem with the King's is I belive Petrie has no overall vision of where this team needs to go to be a champion, we need to fire him,Now.

man you got the right idea but the wrong perspective your basically giving up star quaility players for next to nothing, if we made these trade it'll gurantee the kings out of the playoff's for at least a decade.

 

[tjobrien]

All rebuilding is headed toward a championshiop, or should be.

Right, but I think Kings fans need to come to a collective realization:

1) Our team is terrible.
2) We have little no to tradeable assets
3) This rebuilding process is not going to happen in one night. Not in one month. Not in a year. It will take 2-3 years. The Kings need to follow the Blazers model (sorta)

If I was in charge of the Kings, I would slowly ship out our older players when possible. That includes Bibby, Miller, Artest, Kenny, Shareef. If that can't be done, and I have little reason to believe it could, let their contracts expire and LET THEM WALK. Above all, do NOT take back contracts that are longer than the player shipping out. In the meantime, be terrible and collect good young talent from the lottery.

So far they have been going about it all wrong. Shareef through 2009-10, I believe? Salmons through 2010-11, I believe? I might be a year too long on both. Whatever. In my opinion, those are the two most important guys to trade, actually. Get them off the books. Let Bibby and Artest walk after 2009. Or, if you can, trade them the prior offseason (Summer 2008) or at the deadline (February 2009) for draft picks and NOTHING ELSE. Maybe a solid young player with a small contract (think Dorrell Wright, Daniel Gibson). Do the same thing the following year with Brad Miller and Kenny Thomas.

In the meantime, keep collecting draft picks. And DRAFT SMART. Hawes? Ugh. I hope I am wrong about him - we shall see.

We just need to blow it up - it's been said before, but no one is taking our garbage and giving us valuable first round picks for it. It's going to take at least 3 years. The worst thing they can do is keeping handing out desperate 5 year contracts to guys like SAR or Salmons who keep us barely afloat. It cripples our ability to clear the books and start over AND it gives us worse draft picks than we could have.

2 steps backwards, 3 steps forward.

 

[Rain man]

The Knicks have too many bigs so somebody call them. Is David Lee available?

I had the same thought. Any idea on Isiah's likelihood of going for somthing centered around Lee for Artest- obviously salaries would have to be made to match...

As far as the rest of the discussion here, the goal is now toward building a winner for 2010 and beyond. We are going to have to weather a few rough years here, but the roster as constructed isn't winning anything, and sadly most of them aren't capable of being traded. We are going to have to wait out Brad, Kenny, and SAR's contracts it appears. So the goal has to be to wait them out, and in the meantime avoid silly contracts. Make deals that cut payroll and contract lengths if possible, get draft picks, and draft well.

We need to start building the team around who will be here in 2010. That means start with a core of Martin/Garcia/Hawes/Williams. Fill in with presumably high draft choices in 2008, 2009, 2010. Use assets like Bibby's expiring, Brad expiring, KT's expiring wisely to get young players, draft picks, talent, athleticism when those contracts come due (or just let them walk to clear cap space). Then see where you stand in 2010. That has to be the focus of the front office. No quick fixes, no bandaides. Smart and patient rebuilding...

 

[tjobrien]

Great minds think alike.

 

[Bricklayer]

Lee has been completely unavailable for anyone not named KG. Isiah actually over loves him. Not sure if the Randolph deal changes that a Curry/Randolph/Lee trio is immensely strong, but also among the stubbiest, slowest, and least defensive frontcourts imaginable.

Frye was the imminently available big, but he's already been traded obviously. And without the massive Francis contract around, it gets hard to use New York as a salary dump.

 

[Henkel]

I think we should wait to trade Bibby. His value is at an all time low due to his poor outing last season. If he rebouds and starts to play more like the Bibby of old i think we can get far more for him near the trade deadline then we could get if we moved him this summer.

 

[Rain man]

Lee is intriguing- as you said- Isiah had a VERY high value for him, but I don't see where he plays with Randolph. Curry/James pretty much eat up (literally) all of the minutes at center. Randolph is probably penciled in for 35 minutes himself at PF. You could hang onto Lee and try him at SF (although he really has less value because he is a rebounder and Randolph does a good job on the glass himself). So he either plays SF (which is unlikely), or he backs up Randolph.

So I think this Randolph addition makes him much more expendable, especially for a piece they might need at small forward.

I think it is at least worth calling Isiah and seeing how for Artest gets you. Artest for Lee/Richardson works under the cap. Isiah gets rid of QRich's anchor contract and gets Artest. We have to take on QRich, but he comes off the same year as KT, along with Miller and SAR.

Or you could try Lee/Crawford, but I think that is much more unlikely...

 

[zo0mmike]

Is there any other team in the NBA with a worse outlook than the Kings? I can't think of any off the top of my head

 

[Vlade4GM]

Lee has been completely unavailable for anyone not named KG. Isiah actually over loves him. Not sure if the Randolph deal changes that a Curry/Randolph/Lee trio is immensely strong, but also among the stubbiest, slowest, and least defensive frontcourts imaginable.

Frye was the imminently available big, but he's already been traded obviously. And without the massive Francis contract around, it gets hard to use New York as a salary dump.

Randolph and Curry just simply don't fit together offensively. It's going to be a disaster and he'll become just another horrible contract that they'll regret in a long line of horrible contracts that they regret. Just watch.

 

[BMiller52]

Randolph and Curry just simply don't fit together offensively. It's going to be a disaster and he'll become just another horrible contract that they'll regret in a long line of horrible contracts that they regret. Just watch.

Yeah I agree. There's not enough space in the paint for both of them to do their thing. Their defense is going to be awful considering both of those guys are awful man to man and don't provide any shotblocking either.

 

[Sac.Kings]

What do you think the chances are of us landing Darko? What a great pickup that would be IMO, if we could somehow trade KT/SAR and Artest. I wonder how much Darko wants in terms of money...

 

[ParniValjak]

What do you think the chances are of us landing Darko? What a great pickup that would be IMO, if we could somehow trade KT/SAR and Artest. I wonder how much Darko wants in terms of money...

Starting at about 8 million and it would be a long term deal.

I would love to get Darko but reaility is that we don't have the money or the means in terms of players to do a sign and trade