Offseason shaping up as a mini-rebuild...and I like it.

[The_Jamal]

Come on. The name calling goes both ways and frankly started with your crowd as people expressed dissatisfaction with the Reke move. We weren't real fans. We were reactionary. Babies. Whining little girls. Etc.

It's a little too late to play the victim card though it would be better if we all just respected there are two different sides that we won't prove out for a while.

"He did it first. No he did!"

And I agree. That's the point. No one knows how this will play out. We might win 100 games the next 2 seasons or we might lose 100 games the next 2 seasons. And all "my crowd" is guilty of is waiting for that to play out before we release the attack dogs on the FO.

 

[John Galt]

I'm taking a toke off the peace pipe right now. Done battling over this thing - I really really really want to be doing high fives with all of you, including the ones I disagree with, at the games.

rain, dime, brick, baller, Celt, Jal, Slim, Pad, Egg, HWV, etc... It's cool how you express opinions and I know you will hold PDA's feet to the fire next year - and I'm sure we'll be on the SAME side of plenty of stuff going forward.

I'm done with Reke wars and PDA wars now.. been fun

 

[rainmaker]

"He did it first. No he did!"

And I agree. That's the point. No one knows how this will play out. We might win 100 games the next 2 seasons or we might lose 100 games the next 2 seasons. And all "my crowd" is guilty of is waiting for that to play out before we release the attack dogs on the FO.

There you go again, proving our point. That's the difference, when some question the moves of this FO, because some aren't on the same time table as yourself and others, it's labelled as releasing the attack dogs on the FO, jumping off a cliff, being accused of hating life, are a crybaby, having it suggested you should follow a different team, you're not a good fan, you're embarrassing Kings fans and should act better and so on.

That crap is coming from one side of the fence. When we don't disagree with your opinions and those who like the moves, we say why, approach the topic head on and offer analysis. Yet, those who disagree with that side start exaggerating and fabricating strawman arguments, and/or call names, even question what kind and type of a fan you are.

 

[The_Jamal]

There you go again, proving our point. That's the difference, when some question the moves of this FO, because some aren't on the same time table as yourself and others, it's labelled as releasing the attack dogs on the FO, jumping off a cliff, being accused of hating life, are a crybaby, having it suggested you should follow a different team, you're not a good fan, you're embarrassing Kings fans and should act better and so on.

That crap is coming from one side of the fence. When we don't disagree with your opinions and those who like the moves, we say why, approach the topic head on and offer analysis. Yet, those who disagree with that side start exaggerating and fabricating strawman arguments, and/or call names, even question what kind and type of a fan you are.

I already have made my arguments. I get called ignorant, naive, a homer, and don't know what I'm talking about. So what's the point of doing it again?

When I have I questioned your "fandom? You're the one who results to petty insults when you can't articulate an actual response

You're so full of it if you think's it's just one side. That actually did make me laugh. So kudos

 

[Telemachus]

There you go again, proving our point. That's the difference, when some question the moves of this FO, because some aren't on the same time table as yourself and others, it's labelled as releasing the attack dogs on the FO, jumping off a cliff, being accused of hating life, are a crybaby, having it suggested you should follow a different team, you're not a good fan, you're embarrassing Kings fans and should act better and so on.

That crap is coming from one side of the fence. When we don't disagree with your opinions and those who like the moves, we say why, approach the topic head on and offer analysis. Yet, those who disagree with that side start exaggerating and fabricating strawman arguments, and/or call names, even question what kind and type of a fan you are.

You like to go around pointing out anyone who says anything that can be construed as name-calling, etc. However, you are the first one to call others names or jump down their thought when they disagree with anything you say. It's like you can't conceive of the idea that you might be wrong about something. Personally, I think about half of the people posting lately need to get off of their high horse and stop thinking that everything that happens is either black or white. Sports in general and how players and coaches (etc.) work is very subjective. While most of us have our ideas on how things will or should work, there is NO ONE that actually can tell how things will go in the future. I have seen too many teams over the years that were destined to win the championship on paper that either missed the playoffs or barely made it to be knocked out in the first round. And have seen plenty of teams that everyone knew would be one of the worst teams only to have them surprise the world. One thing I do know is that none of us can make an accurate prediction on what the front office has done until the off season is over. We don't have the whole picture yet and would be foolish to make overall judgements on what is currently imcomplete.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Reke's stats were declining.

That's simply incorrect. Last season Tyreke posted career bests (or tied his best) in FG% (by a wide margin), 3P% (by a wide margin), rebounds/36, steals/36, blocks/36, TO/36, TS% (by a wide margin), eFG% (by a wide margin), and WS/48. His FT% was .004 off of his career best, literally one missed FT over the season from tying his career best. The only stats where Tyreke has seen a decline are in assists/36 and points/36. The assists make sense because he has been gradually moved off of the ball (to the point where he spent much time at the SF last year) and the dropoff in scoring compared to his rookie season makes sense in light of his severely declining usage rate (26.2% in his rookie season, 22.3% last year). In fact despite a continually declining usage rate, Tyreke has managed to tie or increase his points/36 every year following the big dropoff between his rookie and sophomore years.

From an objective point of view, Tyreke's fourth year was his best statistical season. To claim that his stats were declining is simply wrong.

 

[rainmaker]

You like to go around pointing out anyone who says anything that can be construed as name-calling, etc. However, you are the first one to call others names or jump down their thought when they disagree with anything you say. It's like you can't conceive of the idea that you might be wrong about something. Personally, I think about half of the people posting lately need to get off of their high horse and stop thinking that everything that happens is either black or white.

Lol. Sounds like you've been talking to Baja.

Show me where I call other people names. I can show you numerous posts where posters are labelled exactly what I outlined about. It's always funny when someone gets on their own high horse then starts accusing others of the same. But since you directly accused me of calling people names, show me. And since you say I'm the first one to do it, how about you show me multiple examples. Shouldn't be too tough for you.

And quit the strawman crap. If you think I'm wrong on something, point it out and lets debate the topic. Since I can't even remember the last time you quoted me and disagreed with anything I've said, I find your accusation to be amusing at best.

BTW, here's something for considering I can't conceive I might be wrong about something. I was wrong about PDA. I thought he'd have a better grasp on our roster and how to build around our key pieces than he has, and I thought he'd do a better job identifying and addressing our weaknesses. I was too high on him when he was hired. Now some are already talking about needing a high pick next year and the Wiggins sweepstakes. Serves me right, banking on hope without a proven track record.

 

[Siranthony]

I occasionally click to the end of a long thread just to see if the train wreck of all the bickering is there. It never fails.

 

[Npliam]

That's simply incorrect. Last season Tyreke posted career bests (or tied his best) in FG% (by a wide margin), 3P% (by a wide margin), rebounds/36, steals/36, blocks/36, TO/36, TS% (by a wide margin), eFG% (by a wide margin), and WS/48. His FT% was .004 off of his career best, literally one missed FT over the season from tying his career best. The only stats where Tyreke has seen a decline are in assists/36 and points/36. The assists make sense because he has been gradually moved off of the ball (to the point where he spent much time at the SF last year) and the dropoff in scoring compared to his rookie season makes sense in light of his severely declining usage rate (26.2% in his rookie season, 22.3% last year). In fact despite a continually declining usage rate, Tyreke has managed to tie or increase his points/36 every year following the big dropoff between his rookie and sophomore years.

From an objective point of view, Tyreke's fourth year was his best statistical season. To claim that his stats were declining is simply wrong.

So coach Smart was really good for Tyreke......

 

[ppine]

There is no "mini" in the rebuild. It is major rehab. It will be interesting to see who gets traded. So far it has mostly been adding pieces with the exception of Evans.

 

[Dime Dropper]

So coach Smart was really good for Tyreke......

No, but nice attempt at trolling.

 

[Glenn]

The need for a rebuild, whether it be major or minor, is because of the self inflicted moves of getting rid of the team's 2nd best player, a past ROY, and getting back in part a black hole of an undersized PF which makes no sense at all. Perhaps PDA didn't think the NBA was correct in its choice of ROY or perhaps he doesn't think the ROY award says anything about a player's skills. Perhaps PDA didn't have time to research Landry's past experience with the Kings and many of the same players that are on the team now but I would have thought that to be a priority. What better knowledge to have? And to sign (not yet) a player who goes against the coach's desire to have players willing to share the ball must mean he didn't have time to consult with his own coach.

The easiest bits of knowledge to acquire were crucial and his seeming ignorance of important data has led to yet another need for a rebuild if that's what we are calling it. In my way of looking at it, his mistakes have led to a need for some major moves to recover. Perhaps he has a bigger goal in mind and basketball skill is secondary. I pay money based on basketball skills and that's where my attitude seems to part company with PDA. The only vote I have in this matter is with my pocket book and as the owners seem to have money to burn, they may not care at all what I do with my money.

 

[Glenn]

So coach Smart was really good for Tyreke......

Is that truthfully your conclusion or is this your typical trolling move?

 

[John Galt]

That's simply incorrect. Last season Tyreke posted career bests (or tied his best) in FG% (by a wide margin), 3P% (by a wide margin), rebounds/36, steals/36, blocks/36, TO/36, TS% (by a wide margin), eFG% (by a wide margin), and WS/48. His FT% was .004 off of his career best, literally one missed FT over the season from tying his career best. The only stats where Tyreke has seen a decline are in assists/36 and points/36. The assists make sense because he has been gradually moved off of the ball (to the point where he spent much time at the SF last year) and the dropoff in scoring compared to his rookie season makes sense in light of his severely declining usage rate (26.2% in his rookie season, 22.3% last year). In fact despite a continually declining usage rate, Tyreke has managed to tie or increase his points/36 every year following the big dropoff between his rookie and sophomore years.

From an objective point of view, Tyreke's fourth year was his best statistical season. To claim that his stats were declining is simply wrong.

ok. "Per 36" didn't really rule the discussion when the organization was throwing the kitchen sink at 20-5-5 and so I guess I was talking about the superficial stats of points, rebounds, and assists per game. But you're right. Thanks for correcting me on that.

 

[Telemachus]

ok. "Per 36" didn't really rule the discussion when the organization was throwing the kitchen sink at 20-5-5 and so I guess I was talking about the superficial stats of points, rebounds, and assists per game. But you're right. Thanks for correcting me on that.

The main thing that has declined in Tryeke's game the past couple of years is his minutes, the one thing he can't control. I don't know why so many like to look back at his getting 20-5-5 as being an accomplishment that the front office somehow conjured up. It was something that they realized he was already doing 2/3rds of the way through the season and decided to try and capitalize on it (something most teams would have done). I laugh when I heard fans call up on the radio saying how they think almost any decent player could do it on a bad team if given the chance (heard at least 2 or 3 call into Grant's show with this assumption). Of course, the history of the game tells us that it is not nearly as easy to do as so many might think and certainly is something that can be done for a player simply because the team might want it to happen.

 

[NewArena]

Jeez. Some of you are so dramatic

 

[pshn80]

There you go again, proving our point. That's the difference, when some question the moves of this FO, because some aren't on the same time table as yourself and others, it's labelled as releasing the attack dogs on the FO, jumping off a cliff, being accused of hating life, are a crybaby, having it suggested you should follow a different team, you're not a good fan, you're embarrassing Kings fans and should act better and so on.

That cbrap is coming from one side of the fence. When we don't disagree with your opinions and those who like the moves, we say why, approach the topic head on and offer analysis. Yet, those who disagree with that side start exaggerating and fabricating strawman arguments, and/or call names, even question what kind and type of a fan you are.

As a regular reader of a lot the stuff you refer to I' say both sides, so to speak, engage in the same tactics and, for me, it gets real old on page two of twenty. But I regularly come back for more. Rule of thumb, say it in 300 characters or less. My eyesight isn't what it used to be.

 

[kingsfanslc]

I can't believe the bickering on this site, none of us can control what the FO is doing you have 2 choices accept it or walk away from it. I am tired of hearing the crying on here!

 

[sdballer]

I can't believe the bickering on this site, none of us can control what the FO is doing you have 2 choices accept it or walk away from it. I am tired of hearing the crying on here!

This is a message board for fans to discuss what is and isn't working for the kings. What exactly is the point of your posting?

 

[Section 101]

The main thing that has declined in Tryeke's game the past couple of years is his minutes, the one thing he can't control. I don't know why so many like to look back at his getting 20-5-5 as being an accomplishment that the front office somehow conjured up. It was something that they realized he was already doing 2/3rds of the way through the season and decided to try and capitalize on it (something most teams would have done). I laugh when I heard fans call up on the radio saying how they think almost any decent player could do it on a bad team if given the chance (heard at least 2 or 3 call into Grant's show with this assumption). Of course, the history of the game tells us that it is not nearly as easy to do as so many might think and certainly is something that can be done for a player simply because the team might want it to happen.

Evans is officially gone. You can stop talking about him now. I'm sure the Pelican board would love to hear how he is the LBJ of guards and a superstar.

 

[Spike]

This is a message board for fans to discuss what is and isn't working for the kings. What exactly is the point of your posting?

One must always support the news one reads out of Pravda.

Seriously though, there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning moves. Nothing. Do we know PDA's end game? Haven't a clue. That doesn't mean you can't be skeptical of moves that seemingly make no sense. Maybe it's because he's four moves ahead.
From a talent perspective, we've downgraded. I feel ok in questioning that. From a standpoint of bringing in character guys, I think he's done that. Mbah A Moute was an ok move, but not earth-shattering. Landry? Ok in character, bad in its duplicity.

This roster is still wildly unbalanced, and there's still much to do before training camp. If he at least, at least, balances the roster a bit, then he'll gain more faith in my eye. If not, it just speaks to the haphazard nature of the moves.
When someone does poorly on a test, you hope he improves, but you also don't wait until the end of the term to make changes or offer help. It's the same here. We can still be fans, we can still question individual moves in the hopes that the endgame is a positive result.
I appreciate dissenting opinions. We could all stand to question decision makers.

 

[pshn80]

This is a message board for fans to discuss what is and isn't working for the kings. What exactly is the point of your posting?

Read mine above.

 

[John Galt]

One must always support the news one reads out of Pravda.

Seriously though, there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning moves. Nothing. Do we know PDA's end game? Haven't a clue. That doesn't mean you can't be skeptical of moves that seemingly make no sense. Maybe it's because he's four moves ahead.
From a talent perspective, we've downgraded. I feel ok in questioning that. From a standpoint of bringing in character guys, I think he's done that. Mbah A Moute was an ok move, but not earth-shattering. Landry? Ok in character, bad in its duplicity.

This roster is still wildly unbalanced, and there's still much to do before training camp. If he at least, at least, balances the roster a bit, then he'll gain more faith in my eye. If not, it just speaks to the haphazard nature of the moves.
When someone does poorly on a test, you hope he improves, but you also don't wait until the end of the term to make changes or offer help. It's the same here. We can still be fans, we can still question individual moves in the hopes that the endgame is a positive result.
I appreciate dissenting opinions. We could all stand to question decision makers.

I liken it more to a drawing than to a test. You would not halt somebody who was beginning a drawing or painting and say "that is just random squiggly lines - you don't seem to know what you're doing". Or maybe you would. I wouldn't. And I wish we had not signed Landry. I'm hopeful that the delay in announcing that deal is so it can be announced in tandem with a deal that ships out JT or Patterson, and Hayes and Jimmer.

I am just a lot more hopeful than most, I have the expectation, that Landry is a piece in a puzzle that improves the locker room and the product on the floor both. By itself, it does not seem to be.

 

[Glenn]

Evans is officially gone. You can stop talking about him now. I'm sure the Pelican board would love to hear how he is the LBJ of guards and a superstar.

Absolutely. This goes for people who want to gloat as to how bad he was and those who want to admire how great he was. What is done is done and Tyreke Evans is a Pelican. I was tired of the Tyreke arguments a year ago and I get the feeling some of you are having a very difficult time knowing what to ***** about now that he is gone. HE. IS. GONE. Further chest thumping can now occur in another topic and not Kings Rap.

 

[Agent23]

Evans is officially gone. You can stop talking about him now. I'm sure the Pelican board would love to hear how he is the LBJ of guards and a superstar.

The season ticket holder has spoken.

 

[Section 101]

The season ticket holder has spoken.

It was the same thing said after he was drafted to the people who wanted Rubio. they can take their own advice now.

 

[Bricklayer]

It was the same thing said after he was drafted to the people who wanted Rubio. they can take their own advice now.

Tyreke Evans will always have been a King. One of the 10 or 20 most talented Kings actually. Ricky Rubio never was. Ever. Except in your own wet little fantasies. Tough cookies.

 

[rainmaker]

Absolutely. This goes for people who want to gloat as to how bad he was and those who want to admire how great he was. What is done is done and Tyreke Evans is a Pelican. I was tired of the Tyreke arguments a year ago and I get the feeling some of you are having a very difficult time knowing what to ***** about now that he is gone. HE. IS. GONE. Further chest thumping can now occur in another topic and not Kings Rap.

The transaction is done. Well, partly, as we still don't have his replacement and haven't used all the cap space.

But whether it was a good move or not and whether it sets back this team or not will take a couple years to figure out and will be talked about. The ramifications of the move are far from over. Actually, it's barely begun. This is like people saying two weeks after trading Webber there should be no Webber talk. That's ridiculous. Even someone less important in Daly, when we elected to replace him with Chuck was talked about for a long time. Why? The move/decision has a direct impact on our future. If people can't handle discussion, they probably shouldn't be spending time on an online forum based around discussion.

It's hypocritical when people suggest we need patience, to wait and see how everything shakes out, which means we can't judge moves until the future at which point they'll be talked about, then to say discussion on a topic should cease while it's well before the time frame to see how it pans out. And discussing the pros and cons of a move is what sports fans do, across all sports. You talk about transactions when they happen, then continue as the result unfolds. Why some here think that's different if you're a Kings fan is beyond me. Think NFL fans aren't talking about their signings and roster transformations right now? Think they're just silent until Sept rolls around? Think Cle fans stopped talking about Lebron two weeks after he left? Think Boston fans have stopped talked about losing KG/Pierce? Think LAL fans are done talking about losing Dwight? Think OKC fans don't still talk about Harden and that his replacement just signed with Minn? No, that discussion exists on all their forums.

 

[Telemachus]

Evans is officially gone. You can stop talking about him now. I'm sure the Pelican board would love to hear how he is the LBJ of guards and a superstar.

Excuse me, but I have a right to discuss any player I feel like especially when replying to what someone else say about that player. If you don't like that I'm talking about a player no longer on the Kings, then skip to the next post (I do it all the time). Keep in mind that you would also eliminate all posts about CWebb, Peja, Bibby, Vlade, etc. All of them are gone as well.

 

[Dime Dropper]

It was the same thing said after he was drafted to the people who wanted Rubio. they can take their own advice now.

And the truth comes bursting out in a moment of cringeworthy bitterness! People still occasionally bring up Rubio, and he never even played for us. If you're expecting all discussion of Tyreke to be stopped so soon, you should probably take a break from the forum.