Officials clearly should have looked at replays

[NYCKingsFan]

Last night, the officials should have looked at the replays. From what I've seen in BullKing's reply in topic titled Over the Basket camera, it was a goaltend. Even without the slow motion of the replay, you can tell right away it was a goaltend. The ball was going to go in. This is a travesty to the Kings and I know officials only look at replays when shots go in during the final closing seconds of a game. Brad Miller's shot was going to go in but yesterday, they didn't look at the replays. The game was close and competitive and hopefully in the future, situations like last night's won't happen again.

here is BullKing's links to the pictures that prove that it should've been goaltending:
http://users.telenet.be/elpaljasso/proof1.bmp

http://users.telenet.be/elpaljasso/proof2.bmp

 

[uolj]

Those pictures do not prove anything.

As far as why replay wasn't used, the rules don't allow the refs to use replay to check for goaltending:

In the NBA version, there are four, and only four, triggers for the replay system. Replay cannot be initiated by a coach -- no "challenge" system here -- or even by the officials themselves. The triggers are automatic, and unambiguous:

# A made basket at the end of the first, second or third quarters, with no time remaining -- 0:00 -- on the clock.

# A made basket at the end of the fourth quarter or overtime with no time remaining -- 0:00 -- on the clock that could affect the outcome of the game. In other words, a basket that ties or wins the game for one team. If the score is 100-90, a made basket at 0:00 will not be reviewable.

# A foul called at the end of the first, second or third quarters, with no time remaining -- 0:00 -- on the clock.

# A foul called at the end of the fourth quarter or overtime with no time remaining -- 0:00 -- on the clock for which the resulting free throws could affect the outcome of the game. In other words, the team committing the foul has to be in the penalty, or get in the penalty with the foul, or the player who is fouled has to be in the act of shooting. But again, if the score is 100-90, the foul will not be reviewed.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Once again the NBA has made it clear that the final shot repaly is to be used for limited purposes, such as to establish if a shot for off before the buzzer. Under current rules the refs could NOT use replay to rule the block a goaltend.

Now lets move on this topic is definantly a deceased equine.

 

[KP]

Those pictures do not prove anything.

As far as why replay wasn't used, the rules don't allow the refs to use replay to check for goaltending:

They could have consulted with each other to review the call. They are allowed to discuss and overturn any call. They can't review it on the screen but they can discuss and change the call. One ref made the call and then they ran away.

 

[HndsmCelt]

They could have consulted with each other to review the call. They are allowed to discuss and overturn any call. They can't review it on the screen but they can discuss and change the call. One ref made the call and then they ran away.

Yes they could/should have be seriously what would they say?
Ref1: Well what did you guys see?
Ref2: I don't what you guys see?
Ref3: I don't know, guess we ought to get out of here quick!

 

[1kingzfan]

All that can be said with CERTAINTY is that the rules do not allow a refs' review of instant replay in this case (based on what was available, it would have been inconclusive anyway), BUT the refs should have caucused and got each man's view before they left the floor. Even if they had stuck to their guns. At least then it would have sent a signal that they were acting responsibly and wanted to make sure none of the three saw something different than the lack of a whistle indicated. Had they done that, it would have saved a helluva lotta bandwidth here and elsewhere today.

 

[BigWaxer]

The Proof Is Here

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[PT Cruiser 9ROC]

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[Twix]

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Good work.

 

[KP]

Yes they could/should have be seriously what would they say?
Ref1: Well what did you guys see?
Ref2: I don't what you guys see?
Ref3: I don't know, guess we ought to get out of here quick!

That could have been what happened... but one official overrules another all the time in the NBA. On a call like that they should at least huddle up and discuss it. Maybe I just didn't see it.

 

[albeitrue]

Looking at Cuttino's post game comments you'd think it's all about the refs. Others have said it's all about the Kings blowing a 16 point lead and not playing D, etc., etc., etc. I think there's a lot to be said on both sides; the issue isn't as black and white to me.

The refs clearly should have made an effort to huddle and discuss the final call, but would doing so (if the call stuck) have changed anyones mind about the non-call? Had it NOT stuck, we were looking at O.T., not a sure win. I would like to think that, actual game on the line (less than one point difference), a call like that would have been discussed. But that's far too black and white. In the end, the refs sucked and Cuttino took great pains to say so, bravo for him. I was peeved at first, but not now. Cuttino is taking it on the chin for the team, especially if refs hold grudges like he said. I really hope it helps, him putting his pocketbook and the team on the line like that.

On the other hand, relying on last second plays to stay in the game is a tough place for Kings to be, especially with refs who they often give grief to. Players and refs all being human, all things are equal. Nut up and take it on the chin on the court, that is the most likely place to see positive results.

Will Cuttino, Brad and Web see the court tomorrow night at gametime? I hope we don't see a triple suspension.

 

[KP]

All that can be said with CERTAINTY is that the rules do not allow a refs' review of instant replay in this case (based on what was available, it would have been inconclusive anyway), BUT the refs should have caucused and got each man's view before they left the floor. Even if they had stuck to their guns. At least then it would have sent a signal that they were acting responsibly and wanted to make sure none of the three saw something different than the lack of a whistle indicated. Had they done that, it would have saved a helluva lotta bandwidth here and elsewhere today.

exactly.^

 

[KP]

Looking at Cuttino's post game comments you'd think it's all about the refs. Others have said it's all about the Kings blowing a 16 point lead and not playing D, etc., etc., etc. I think there's a lot to be said on both sides; the issue isn't as black and white to me.

The refs clearly should have made an effort to huddle and discuss the final call, but would doing so (if the call stuck) have changed anyones mind about the non-call? Had it NOT stuck, we were looking at O.T., not a sure win. I would like to think that, actual game on the line (less than one point difference), a call like that would have been discussed. But that's far too black and white. In the end, the refs sucked and Cuttino took great pains to say so, bravo for him. I was peeved at first, but not now. Cuttino is taking it on the chin for the team, especially if refs hold grudges like he said. I really hope it helps, him putting his pocketbook and the team on the line like that.

On the other hand, relying on last second plays to stay in the game is a tough place for Kings to be, especially with refs who they often give grief to. Players and refs all being human, all things are equal. Nut up and take it on the chin on the court, that is the most likely place to see positive results.

Will Cuttino, Brad and Web see the court tomorrow night at gametime? I hope we don't see a triple suspension.

The Kings were up by 16 really early on. It's not like they are not known for blowing leads but the Suns aren't exactly the worst team when it comes to going on runs. You had to expect they would make up ground... If the Kings were down 16 early I would expect them to make a run too. It happens every night to almost every team. They were up 8 halfway thru the 4th but I think with Phoenix the Dallas rule applies. You have to be up by 15 with under 3 to go to be(somewhat) safe, no matter what team you are.

 

[albeitrue]

The Kings were up by 16 really early on. It's not like they are not known for blowing leads but the Suns aren't exactly the worst team when it comes to going on runs. You had to expect they would make up ground... If the Kings were down 16 early I would expect them to make a run too. It happens every night to almost every team. They were up 8 halfway thru the 4th but I think with Phoenix the Dallas rule applies. You have to be up by 15 with under 3 to go to be safe, no matter what team you are.

KP, WHAT?

 

[KP]

lol. I was responding to the blown 16 pt lead comment at the start of your post even though it wasn't necesarily you saying it.

 

[albeitrue]

lol. I was responding to the blown 16 pt lead comment at the start of your post even though it wasn't necesarily you saying it.

lol, never too late to pay attention, I guess. Been there many times myself.

 

[KingKong]

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Nice