Off-Season Plan #1 (Al Horford)

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I've worked up a couple of off-season scenarios we could take. This one is about clearing cap space for Al Horford. First off, I want to make a couple of general points about the off-season. I won't be trading DeMarcus Cousins. The only scenario where we come out ahead in a Cousins trade is one where we get lucky in the lottery and we all know that never happens in Sacramento so my goal is to build a playoff team around him before his contract expires.

Secondly, I won't be trading up in the draft. It's very hard to do in the NBA without overpaying and I'm trying to construct a plausible scenario here not a pipe dream so we're staying at #8, trading the pick, or moving down. Furthermore, I don't think we can go into next season hoping for 50 wins with a rookie expected to play a key role so I won't be drafting anyone and inserting them into the starting lineup.

Thirdly, I'm planning to bring back Rondo -- mainly because DeMarcus wants him back. If this is where you check out, no harm no foul. I considered other options (drafting Kris Dunn is the one that intrigues me the most) but ultimately this is going to be DeMarcus' team and he calls Rondo his PG so I set my sights on adding a better second option to compliment the Rondo/Cousins pairing.

With that out of the way, here's Scenario #1:

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I'm not targeting any one position in the draft, just the best talent available. That could end up being Jaylen Brown so I'm slotting him in here. These are the guys under contract and how much cap space we have to work with. I'm assuming Caron Butler opts out of his $1.5 million option for next season and I did factor in Ellington's $900,000 cap hit. I've already targeted Al Horford as the best FA available for us. He's a heady veteran who impacts the game on both ends and would team up with Cousins and Cauley-Stein to form a dream frontcourt. If I want Rondo back and Al Horford though, 28 million isn't going to be enough so I've got to make some cap clearing moves and I have to make them quick because Horford needs to get a call from the Kings at midnight when free agency opens.

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These two trades get us an extra 4 million in cap space, clear out room in the frontcourt rotation to add Horford without slashing Cauley-Stein's minutes, and gets us a new SG rotation. Shumpert has been inconsistent shooting from the perimeter but he's an underrated playmaker and a gritty defender on the wing which we'll need to assume our rightful place as the next great defensive team in the league. He's seen his role reduced in Cleveland despite the big extension so he should be available -- especially if we give them a younger, cheaper backup SG and the backup C they need badly in return.

The second trade clears Rudy Gay's salary off the books and moves him to a team in desperate need of a starting SF. In return we get next year's potential Sixth Man of the Year: Tyreke Evans. He's still having injury issues but it's an expiring deal so the risk is minimal. If he does manage to stay healthy his skills are ideally suited to a bench scoring role where he'll thrive with Seth Curry and Omri Casspi spotting up on the wing for open three-pointers.

We still need about 5 million more in cap space to be able to re-sign Rondo and offer Horford a competitive contract. That means Collison and Belinelli have to go, but who can we get to take Marco after a dismal shooting year?

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This is my favorite trade and probably the most controversial one (aside from re-signing Rondo anyway). Stanley Johnson looked like a budding star for much of the season before disappearing post All-Star break in a haze of missed jumpers and declining minutes. The thing is, Detroit traded for Tobias Harris mid-season and he's got 3 years and 48 million on his deal so he's pretty well entrenched at SF. They're going to make a big run at Ryan Anderson with their cap space this summer and they have to re-sign Drummond leaving them no money to address the backup PG or SG positions. This is where we step in with Darren Collison and his .591 TS%. Marco had a dismal year shooting the ball but he's liable to bounce back to his career numbers which would make him a valuable asset in Stan Van Gundy's offense.

The second part of this is a straight salary dump. We could have used Meek's shooting this year (for that matter so could Detroit -- he missed nearly the entire season with a broken foot) but after bringing in Shumpert and Evans with plans to re-sign Rondo and Curry, there's just no minutes left in the backcourt. Teams can trade up to $3 million in cash considerations. So here's what we can do: find a team that wants a proven shooter (shouldn't be a problem) and has cap space to burn (that shouldn't be a problem this off-season either). They get Jodie Meeks and $3 million in cash to off-set his $6.5 million salary. We get some meaningless protected second round pick. I would think a number of teams would be thrilled to add Jodie Meeks for a year for only $3.5 million in real money and a $6.5 million cap hit.

Now we have $40 million in cap space so the final dominoes fall into place:

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Horford is our second option -- with the added benefit of pushing Cauley-Stein into the third big role where his versatility on defense should play nicely. I can imagine all three of those guys playing together in multiple configurations or if we want to go small with an extra shooter on the floor, we can play Casspi at small ball 4 where he was successful in stretches this season.

The biggest weakness here is the lack of experience at SF. Stanley Johnson can hold his own on defense but his three point shooting went from bad to dreadful in his rookie season before bounding back to 60% in Detroit's 4-game abbreviated playoff run. He's got to get a lot better but I think he's got the tools and talent to do it, especially if we sign a quality coaching staff to bring him along. I've slotted Casspi at backup PF here but most of the frontcourt minutes will be going to Cauley-Stein and he's the primary backup SF until Jaylen Brown proves he can contribute.

The starting lineup here resembles the grit and grind Grizzlies in a lot of ways with the #1 and #2 options down low in the post, a pass first PG, and a defensive specialist at SG. There's also a ton of offensive firepower on the bench here and the added wrinkle that both bigs have range out to the NBA three. I know there's going to be a lot of grumbling about three point percentages in that starting lineup but really it's a case of 5 average shooters on the floor at once instead of 2 or 3 marksmen and two screen setting bigs. Unconventional no doubt, but I'd love to see what a creative coach could do with that.

Here's the final roster and salary cap projections:

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Jaylen Brown is 2 years away from hoping to be a backup. Stanley Johnson is only a backup at the moment.
Detroit trade and SJ is a pipe dream anyway.
Don't really want Tyreke, since time and time again he showed, that he's not a good defender.
Horford is not coming to Sacramento, because a) he gets max from Hawks, b) Al gets max from a few other PO teams, if he doesn't want to stay in Atlanta, c) East is still Cavs and everyone else, so every team that manages to clime to #2 or #3, has a relatively easy path to Conference Finals.
 
If we are going to sign a guy to the max don't let him be 30+ years old and starting the downside of his career rather a young guy who can develop into something. You might be able to get Marcus Morris with the Collison/Belli deal I doubt you would get Stanley.

Last thing if you get Tyreke back why do you need Rondo? They 10000000% cannot play together. Tyreke is a PG he sucks at every other position he's good with the ball and he needs it to be effective.
 
Jaylen Brown: I don't care how far away he is. I quite explicitly made the point that I'm drafting for talent not need and I don't expect year 1 production. Casspi can get all the backup SF minutes next year and play a little at PF. We'd still have the room exception if we need more PF depth.

Stanley Johnson: Not going to argue this, I already explained my reasoning. The trade is 2 for 1 and Johnson/Morris is already a logjam for them if they add Ryan Anderson.

Tyreke Evans: We played Rondo and Collison together a lot this year as dual PGs. I think people exaggerate how badly Rondo needs the ball in his hands. Not to mention, he's not playing all 48. I have Evans at SG here and Curry at PG but those roles would likely be reversed on offense. I see him playing 25 min off the bench and only 10 of those would be alongside Rondo.

Al Horfotd: Atlanta is on the verge of being swept by Cleveland for the second year in a row which makes Horford's 9th year in a row of coming up empty in the playoffs. I think he might want a change of scenery and a move to the less physically demanding PF position. Atlanta seemed hesitant to max Horford out for 5 years anyway which is why he was made available at the trade deadline. If it's a 4 year deal, I don't think the difference between 102 million and 110 million is going to be his main consideration. As for why Horford, he's an elite defender who can also pass, shoot, and bang on offense. Age is a concern but I would at least expect him to be a solid second option next to Cousins for 3 more years. We're paying for playoff legitimacy here and he gets us there faster than anyone else on the market.
 
You put your depth chart in the end, and I see 2 backup SFs, a very raw rookie and a guy, who is clearly not a SF, but was put there by both teams, he played for in his career, and was very disappointing at that spot, so that SF slot will be a clear weakness. Shooting will be a major problem with two bigs probably being better shooters at their positions.
No argument, that getting Horford would be a coup, but it's not happening and pursuing him will just be a waste of time, that Kings can spend courting less desirable, but more realistic targets. Being bumped from the second round instead of CFs, if they just won a few more games, is not the same as competing with Spurs, Warriors or Thunder in the first round, unless he can drag 33-win team into top-5 in the West.
Curry should not be slotted as Kings' backup PG defender.
 
I would LOVE to pair Cousins with Horford but I'm having a hard tie thinking it's going to happen (even if he is not going to stay in Atlanta- a team like Boston could offer him a team already in the playoff looking for a guy just like him).

I also think the Detroit trade is a little unrealistic- I get the logic behind it as you explained, but giving up on a top 10 pick after an OK rookie season for a backup PG with 1 year on his contract is a bad deal.

Here's my offer (considering we won't be able to get Horford or Batum):

1. I'm drafting Hield/Murray/Luwawu (assuming Dunn if of the board and I chose that in order to make things easier since I'm slotting all of them at SG)- 28 million under the cap.

2. I'm stealing your KK and Ben for Shumpert trade idea since I think it's realistic and I like it (if we are talking about team chemistry, Shumpert spent the summer with Cousins and Casspi and they seemed close), he had a bad season in terms of shooting but he is a great defender and I think he might become a better shooter- 31 million.

3. This is the controversial part of my offer- trade Rudy Gay to NO for Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik, I'm not sure they would do that- but it will give them more cap and they won't be tied to the terrible Asik contract (and Tyreke have been successful there without Holiday)- 23.5 million cap.

4. Salary dump Belinelli with cash considerations and 2nd rounders/rights to euro guys- 30 million cap.

5. Offer about 16 million for Marvin Williams, he is not a big name- but he can hold his own defensively and shoot 40% from 3, one of the most important parts of the Hornets this year- 14 million cap.

6. Sign Jared Dudley for 8 million a year deal, he is a great shooter, seems like a good locker room guy, decent defensively and very affective- 6 million cap.

7. Resign Curry and Acy for 3 million a year each- no cap.

PG- Holiday/DC/Curry
SG- Shumpert/Hield/Anderson
SF- Casspi/Dudley/Acy
PF- Marvin Williams/WCS/Acy
C- Cousins/Asik/WCS

It's not a shiny roster and Asik's contract is a *****- but I think it's a well balanced roster with enough shooting around Cousins and good defensive players.

EDIT: I'm not sure NO would do that deal because they will be lacking a PG and the market isn't great so if they say no because of that an alternative is packaging DC with Gay for Holiday and Asik.
Rumors say they are interested in Poetl who should be there at 8 so it can contain maybe a swap in the picks (they have the 6th pick right now) and we could draft Dunn/Murray, than with the money saved from DC's salary we can sign a guy like Gerald Henderson so the roster in that case would be:

PG: Holiday/Dunn/Curry
SG: Shumpert/Henderson/Anderson
SF: Casspi/Dudley/Acy
PF: Marvin Williams/WCS/Acy
C: Cousins/Asik/WCS
 
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I would LOVE to pair Cousins with Horford but I'm having a hard tie thinking it's going to happen (even if he is not going to stay in Atlanta- a team like Boston could offer him a team already in the playoff looking for a guy just like him).

I also think the Detroit trade is a little unrealistic- I get the logic behind it as you explained, but giving up on a top 10 pick after an OK rookie season for a backup PG with 1 year on his contract is a bad deal.

Here's my offer (considering we won't be able to get Horford or Batum):

1. I'm drafting Hield/Murray/Luwawu (assuming Dunn if of the board and I chose that in order to make things easier since I'm slotting all of them at SG)- 28 million under the cap.

2. I'm stealing your KK and Ben for Shumpert trade idea since I think it's realistic and I like it (if we are talking about team chemistry, Shumpert spent the summer with Cousins and Casspi and they seemed close), he had a bad season in terms of shooting but he is a great defender and I think he might become a better shooter- 31 million.

3. This is the controversial part of my offer- trade Rudy Gay to NO for Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik, I'm not sure they would do that- but it will give them more cap and they won't be tied to the terrible Asik contract (and Tyreke have been successful there without Holiday)- 23.5 million cap.

4. Salary dump Belinelli with cash considerations and 2nd rounders/rights to euro guys- 30 million cap.

5. Offer about 16 million for Marvin Williams, he is not a big name- but he can hold his own defensively and shoot 40% from 3, one of the most important parts of the Hornets this year- 14 million cap.

6. Sign Jared Dudley for 8 million a year deal, he is a great shooter, seems like a good locker room guy, decent defensively and very affective- 6 million cap.

7. Resign Curry and Acy for 3 million a year each- no cap.

PG- Holiday/DC/Curry
SG- Shumpert/Hield/Anderson
SF- Casspi/Dudley/Acy
PF- Marvin Williams/WCS/Acy
C- Cousins/Asik/WCS

It's not a shiny roster and Asik's contract is a *****- but I think it's a well balanced roster with enough shooting around Cousins and good defensive players.

EDIT: I'm not sure NO would do that deal because they will be lacking a PG and the market isn't great so if they say no because of that an alternative is packaging DC with Gay for Holiday and Asik.
Rumors say they are interested in Poetl who should be there at 8 so it can contain maybe a swap in the picks (they have the 6th pick right now) and we could draft Dunn/Murray, than with the money saved from DC's salary we can sign a guy like Gerald Henderson so the roster in that case would be:

PG: Holiday/Dunn/Curry
SG: Shumpert/Henderson/Anderson
SF: Casspi/Dudley/Acy
PF: Marvin Williams/WCS/Acy
C: Cousins/Asik/WCS

Remember New Orleans is drafting above us so they could take Kris Dunn to be their PG of the future which would open them up to a Jrue Holiday trade. I do like Holiday but my whole premise from the beginning was to keep Rondo and Cousins together so I wasn't looking for a PG replacement. Also I think Dunn is the least likely of the top rated guys to fall to us. I've got him #3 on my board. And if he is there at #8... well that's my second scenario which I'll post tomorrow.
 
Sorry, but you lost me the moment you said you were bringing Rondo back because Cousins wants him back. I'm sure Cuz loves Rondo. Probably not quite as much as you do, but still, a lot. But he loved Wall a lot too, and managed to survive going to a different team. Cousins knows that the NBA is a business, and will move on from not having Rondo as his running mate as long as the team starts winning. The Kings aren't a social club, they're a basketball team. You don't let the inmates run the asylum.
 
Remember New Orleans is drafting above us so they could take Kris Dunn to be their PG of the future which would open them up to a Jrue Holiday trade. I do like Holiday but my whole premise from the beginning was to keep Rondo and Cousins together so I wasn't looking for a PG replacement. Also I think Dunn is the least likely of the top rated guys to fall to us. I've got him #3 on my board. And if he is there at #8... well that's my second scenario which I'll post tomorrow.

I have no idea what New Orleans is going to do, but if I were them, and I say this trying to be objective, and not because I want Dunn to fall to us, I would seriously think about drafting Poeltl. They desperately need a good starting center so Davis can become a full time PF. They have enough PG's on the team right now to at minimum, get by, and if everyone stays healthy (a big if) be pretty good at the position.
 
Remember New Orleans is drafting above us so they could take Kris Dunn to be their PG of the future which would open them up to a Jrue Holiday trade. I do like Holiday but my whole premise from the beginning was to keep Rondo and Cousins together so I wasn't looking for a PG replacement. Also I think Dunn is the least likely of the top rated guys to fall to us. I've got him #3 on my board. And if he is there at #8... well that's my second scenario which I'll post tomorrow.

I got that you wanted Rondo, but since you already started a thread I didn't want to open a new one :)

I don't see the appeal in Rondo basketball wise, and I'm not in favor of signing a guy to a 10+ million contract because he is buddy with DeMarcus- you can't say DMC is loyal and only cares about winning and than sign a guy just to appease him. I don't anyone that can't defend or shoot on the team and Rondo can't do either one- he has his value, but frankly I'm tired of talented players that are a bad fit.

If you look at my first one where we pick at 8 I said myself I don't think Dunn would drop to 8 (but I sure hope he would ;)), I said Hield (unlikely), Murray (could happen) or Luwawu (almost a lock he'll be there), I mentioned Dunn in the 2nd scenario where we give DC to NO and since htey are rumored to like Poetl maybe swap picks (and even than it's not a given Dunn would be there at 6 so I put Murray if we can't get him).

Holiday-Shumpert-Casspi/Dudley-Williams-Cousins is a starting five with lots of shooting (everyone but Shumpert is a good shooter, and Shump can get to a point where you can't leave him open), and your defensive unit will be straight up deadly- Holiday-Dunn/Hield-Shumpert-WCS-DMC and will still have more shooting than we have now.
 
Sorry, but you lost me the moment you said you were bringing Rondo back because Cousins wants him back. I'm sure Cuz loves Rondo. Probably not quite as much as you do, but still, a lot. But he loved Wall a lot too, and managed to survive going to a different team. Cousins knows that the NBA is a business, and will move on from not having Rondo as his running mate as long as the team starts winning. The Kings aren't a social club, they're a basketball team. You don't let the inmates run the asylum.

I see it as more of a chemistry thing than a matter of appeasing Cousins. The goal is to have players that compliment each other. Rondo and Cousins established a rapport this season and keeping them together means there's less we have to figure out for next year. I've reluctantly come to agree that McLemore isn't developing here and Rudy isn't a great fit either but I don't want to change 4 out of 5 starters in one summer. If I thought Rondo was a poor fit I would move on from him too but I like him on the team. He's getting our big guys easy shots, creating extra possessions with steals and offensive rebounds, and helping to keep everyone on the same page. There are certainly better scorers out there and bigger, stronger defenders but I don't think there's a better game manager outside of Chris Paul. The best lineups I can envision for next season have Rondo in them.

The whole reason I create these threads is because I know nobody else wants to build the same team I want to build. I think this is an ideal lineup for next season and I proved that it could fit under the salary cap. People have been saying we can't max a free agent and re-sign Rondo and this is one way in which we can. I know Vlade is going to do something completely different but it helps me cope with the frustration of losing if I can at least play a little armchair GM on the side. Besides, there's going to be 100 different threads in TDOS that assume Rondo is gone. I read what everyone else writes and it's obvious no more than 10% of Kings fans want Rondo back next year. Can't I create my own imaginary scenario where he's not gone without somebody needing to pop in with a "nope, I'm not cool with that"? It goes without saying at this point for most of you doesn't it? :D
 
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