ODEN-Over/Under on games played in the NBA
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G_M
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The basic premise of my post is that IMHO Oden will have a VERY short NBA career. 52 is just symbolic of that belief. If you look at his frame, injury history and pre-existing conditions you can't lump him in with the other players who have had injury problems. 52, 102, 152 or 352 games, I know it's all speculation.
Hey, I thought SAR's knees were healthy and the Nets over re-acted so what do I know??
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Since Oden is chronologically 20, but appears to be biologically over 30, I figure he'll be retiring in about two more seasons.
I know this is crazy, but sometimes I wonder if there's something to that. Does the fact that Oden looks (a lot) older than he is mean that he's actually aging at an odd rate? Maybe he has some sort of pituitary problem? Nah, that's crazy talk.
G_M
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1) He's already played more than fifty-two games.
2) You're ready to call it a career? Really? Whether he has any hope of playing at a high level again is anyone's guess, but I'll be astonished if he's done.
2) You're ready to call it a career? Really? Whether he has any hope of playing at a high level again is anyone's guess, but I'll be astonished if he's done.
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Guy is still only 21... have they announced the results of the MRI yet? Hopefully it's just the kneecap (though I know this type of patella injury can mean there are other strctutal weaknesses there) and no ligament damage and he'll be back next year (and still only 22).
Looks like he's at 81 games played so far for his career.
Edit: I guess it's "merely" broken and not dislocated as well. I think that's probably better for Greg. I think McDeyss had this same injury (at an older age) and recovered well from it.
Looks like he's at 81 games played so far for his career.
Edit: I guess it's "merely" broken and not dislocated as well. I think that's probably better for Greg. I think McDeyss had this same injury (at an older age) and recovered well from it.
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G_M
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Hyperbole aside the chance of him having a "remarkable" career seems low..
captain bill
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Depends on how you define "remarkable." Zo and Grant Hill I would say have both had remarkable careers. Granted, Oden has been injured more frequently and at a much younger age, but if he manages to come back and contribute, if he manages to put together 4+ productive seasons at a 15/11/3 level (not totally absurd) for a good team, his career will be remarkable. Especially because he has so much to overcome at such a young age.
Zydrunas Ilgauskas was drafted in 1996. He missed his entire rookie season, and the entire 1999-2000 season. Between the year he was drafted and what should have, theoretically, been his fourth year in the league, he played eighty-seven games. I think I'll hold off on declaring Oden done for a little while longer.
Insomniacal Fan
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That's true, Big Z is a perfect example. A lumbering 7 footer that really just does not look fluid. Almost makes you wonder what the hell he's doing on the court. I just hope that he does not rush back. If the Blazers truly want to give him a chance and not rush him to make up for lost time, let him heal, and then give him 2 extra months. This kid just needs to be babied. It's sad but true.
G_M
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I think you have to look at the nature of the injuries. Microfracture surgery coupled with this current injury spells trouble. Also, at the time when I was discussing Oden's potential physical problems there were some interesting pre-draft articles floating around about him having back and knee problems. I'm not saying that he won't ever play again, but franchise saving high impact #1 pick play......not so sure...
Vlade4GM
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That'd be great, but I just dont see it. There is obviously something about the structure of his body that puts a lot of stress on his joints and now having major surgery on both knees, it's not a problem that he's going to be able to get over most likely. So much of his game is built upon his athleticism (which was already a lesser version of his pre-microfracture athleticism) that I don't see a double double and 3 blocks a game in his future. It'd be great if he can pull it off, but it just seems so very improbable.
DocHolliday
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I wonder how when he'll just come clean about his age. He is 35-40 years old easy. 
Bricklayer
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A lot of big guys have been injury prone over their careers -- Yao, Big Z, Smits, Arvydas, Shaq, Walton, the list goes on. For some of them it was a mere annoyance, for others it shortened their careers. But for none of them did it mean they retired at age 21. Mentioned before the kid will return next seaosn basically at the same age as if he had stayed all 4 years of college (and at this point he's probably wishing he did). His career will effectively jsut be starting the same way it did for all the great old centers of the 4yrs of college age. With none of these injuries clearly related to each other its just impossible to tell rihgt now how things will go. This isn't like somebody who keeps blowing out knees or reinjuring the same foot or anle or whatever. You can't predict this stuff. Being injury prone is a strange thing. You can have the body of Atlas and still fall apart.
Vlade4GM
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All of those players were/are much more skill oriented than Oden except for maybe Shaq but even though Shaq never had a great touch around the basket, he still had great strength (stronger than Oden and probably any other player ever) and very good footwork. Also, every one of those players other than Walton are taller than Oden by at least 2 inches.
I believe it's a known risk that when you have major surgery on one leg, the other leg might be at risk because you might put more weight on that one to compensate. Which I think happened to Amare when coming back from microfracture IIRC. While being young and getting these injuries probably bodes for a better prognosis than if he were 30, but these are still major injuries which already have sapped his greatest asset, his athleticism. It's not going to get better, it's more than likely going to get worse. What is he going to have then? What's going to set him apart as much as when he was drafted? My theory on this is that his uneven legs possibly led to his initial microfracture surgery (which was hurt just making a normal motion, not some freak trauma to it) and during his recovery he put on a lot of weight, add that and the possibility of him putting more weight on his left leg to compensate then you have a recipe for another knee injury. This injury didn't appear to happen by any great trauma either, he hurt it just by jumping up, no collision or bad landing. Having microfracture in one leg and a broken knee cap in another, does not bode well for his athleticism and future health whether they were due to proneness or not.
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