silicongat
Prospect
Guilty until proven innocent.
Nocioni arrested on suspicion of DUI
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From the article:
Sacramento Police Sgt. Norm Leong says Nocioni was pulled over around 2 a.m. in downtown Sacramento when an officer noticed his car weaving. Charges indicate Nocioni had a blood alcohol level of .08 or more.
Whether he was weaving because he was intoxicated or because there was a bee in the car, the facts, according to the police, are that he was driving under the influence, and his blood alcohol level was over the legal limit. He could have been driving perfectly fine, and they pulled him over just for kicks; it's happened to me before. But even if that's the case (we'd have to assume the officer is lying about the car weaving, as if it's impossible that someone could momentarily allow their car to drift one way or the other), he was still above the legal limit, and that's what matters. It doesn't matter whether he was legitimately impaired or if he was being picked on by the police. He was breaking the law, and the law has been set in place to prevent people from driving while impaired by alcohol.
By the way, you are assuming the man's bac was simply .08, when, in reality, it could have been much higher. We don't know what his bac was.
I don't know if you're just playing devil's advocate or what, but I really can't understand how it can be considered defensible that someone was operating a motor vehicle with a blood alcohol level above the legal limit. Maybe it's personal for you, in which case, I can understand how personal experience can affect your point of view. But consider how severe the consequences could have been. You don't even have to speculate. Thousands of people are killed by drunk drivers yearly. It's really not something that should be trivialized, and that's part of the reason why, despite the fact that different people respond different to alcohol, and even though one person might be in complete control of themselves after a couple of drinks, the next person might not be able to stand up straight, the law is very clear: if you're at or above .08 bac and you're driving, you're breaking the law. It's very black and white.
It makes it worse that we're talking about an individual who has the resources at his disposal to never have to drive under the influence. He can, at the very least, call a cab. There are even professional security services now that will taxi you and your car home so that you can sleep in your own bed and not have to worry about your car being parked overnight at some club or bar. Nocioni had options, and instead chose to drive, even though he had been drinking. It's really the height of irresponsibility, and I can't comprehend defending that decision.
We're not going to keep going down that path. You have a right to your opinion, but that's not gonna fly on this board. Let's just leave that whole thing alone.
I agree, hence my reasoning that you don't need to be drunk or buzzed to be considered dangerous. My experience was stupid, and thankfully I learned from it. Many others did not, and yes that includes people close to me. For that reason, I believe Nocioni should be punished. That's all I was trying to say. Again, my post should have included a sentece that pointed that statement at myself and my friends, not at the board. I would not try to assume what everybody's experiences are like, and I've tried to be as PC as possible when it comes to touchier subjects like this. Again... this is one time where the law really doesn't apply. You just shouldn't do it. Again, though, it has been my life experience that people will do it, some in more dangerous situations, some in less dangerous ones. Everybody makes mistakes, you just hope that nothing bad happens and people learn from them. I don't know the full details of the Nocioni case, but if he drove drunk he should be punished. Simple. And you hope he learns from it.
I sincerely hope he can learn from this AND that he can perhaps get the message out to others. I'd like to see him do some community service spots, tied into the "designated driver" campaign currently underway by Maloof Sports. If he makes a public apology and comment - you know a "learn from my mistake" type thing - then maybe just maybe someone will decide not to drive after having a couple of drinks.
Wow. Great comment. So succinct and to the point and not junked up with all those silly things like rational thought and cogent discourse. Way to go.
I agree, but it is interesting to point out that traffic court actually does operate on that standard and they are more than happy to tell you so.
Ah, but that is a totally different topic for discussion on a totally different message board, no?
IMHO, this stopped being about Nocioni after the first page, I'm surprised you guys have been so lenient keeping this open.
We do try and keep things open whenever possible. It's a lot more fun to have a lot of different topics being discussed. Since most of the posts do at least contain the word "Nocioni" in them, it's still technically on topic.
Besides, after the Musselman fiasco, I think drunk driving and Kings coaches/players should be something we never have to see again. If we do, I'm glad people are willing to put the issue ahead of the player.
Not that I'm saying he needs to be drawn and quartered. Nocioni's a smart young man. I hope he'll do the right thing regardless of what happens to him at the legal level.
Besides, after the Musselman fiasco, I think drunk driving and Kings coaches/players should be something we never have to see again. If we do, I'm glad people are willing to put the issue ahead of the player.
Not that I'm saying he needs to be drawn and quartered. Nocioni's a smart young man. I hope he'll do the right thing regardless of what happens to him at the legal level.
Just went back and read this. Nothing wrong with informing people of what their rights are. It's actually pretty useful information. I don't think DocHolliday is trying to tell anyone how to beat a DUI. But let's not pursue this any further, and let's add that this is not legal advice from an attorney. It's one person's interpretation.
And let's also add that drinking and driving is not encouraged or acceptable. It's dangerous and irresponsible. But if anyone ever feels that they're being falsely accused, it's worth it to know what your actual rights are.
And let's leave it at that. Thanks.
Not to defend Noc, but I followed him closely while in Chicago (I live there), and man, he just came off as a good guy. Not a jerk, never a problem in the news, nothing. Terrible use of judgment here, but just trying to shed light saying he's not a crazy guy that doesn't care. Maybe just chalk it up to a situational stupidity sort of thing.
Kingsgurl
Starter
Speaking of traffic court, I was there with my son about a month ago (he got a ticket for no front license plate) and there was a current King there (he sat right in fron of us) who was charged with going 125 MPH on I-80. This seems equally reckless/dangerous. I never saw a report anywhere about that.
kennadog
Dog On It!
That's certainly dangerous stupidity, too.
Considering the player involved, I'm thinking it's par for the course.
BritishColumbia
Bench
Homo praesumitur bonus donec probetur malus! I guess it is too late. He is proven guilty already.
I think that community work is the best punishment for him and the best outcome for the Kings and community. Besides, Andres is trilingual and it broadens his usage.
Just a comment: Kingsfans.com is not the judicial system. This is the court of public opinion, and unfortunately, "innocent until proven guilty" isn't guaranteed to you.
By the way, no one is burying the guy, yet. Just saying that DUI is a pretty bad choice to make.
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BritishColumbia
Bench
I was not being ironic ... as I understand he is proven guilty. Not in court but 0.8+ bac is enough for me.
BTW, DUI is a terrible choice to make and I am not saying that he should be Ok and completely forgiven. I just think that suspension is not the best way to punish the guy. Let him earn that by doing some extensive community work.
Yeah, I wasn't really directing my comment at you. Just wanted to make that statement.
BritishColumbia
Bench
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
BTW - when I was mentioning suspension, I was talking about the suspension of his driver's license. That is in the Admin per se.
Nocioni will have 30 days driving on what is called a "pink slip." Then he will automatically have a 4 months suspension. He only needs to serve 1 month of the suspension if he gets a restricted driver's license which will allow him to drive to and from his employment. Note: this is all assuming it is his first offense. I'm praying that it is his last.
The courts are another matter. They can fine him and give him hours of community service which is pretty standard, especially for "high-profile" offenders. Hopefully, Nocioni will learn his lesson and not get behind the wheel of a car if he's been drinking.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
...seems "community service" (like picking up trash by the roadside) is only standard for everyday Joe's and Jane's - not celebs like Eric Musselman.
http://www.totaldui.com/news/celebrity-dui-spotlight/sports.aspx
Quote from link on sports celeb DUI busts of which there are two Musselman entry's:
Eric Musselman Skips Out on DUI Community Service
Kings' coach Eric Musselman skipped out on performing the community service portion of his DUI sentence, apparently claiming that health problems prevented it, according to reports by the Sacramento Bee. Musselman instead served two days of home detention, wearing an ankle monitor. The Sheriff's department would not cite the reasons for the home confinement. Musselman was arrested in October for a DUI. California Highway Patrol reports said that Musselman's blood alcohol content was .11 percent, which is above the California legal limit of .08.
It was that very action that alienated a certain percentage of the fan base IMHO. What made it even more unacceptable was the fact it was widely reported around town that a couple of people had actually commented to Musselman that they'd either give him a ride or call him a cab and he loudly refused.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
And now we have packed houses at Arco for every game of around 9,000 people...hopefully PW can manufacture some positivity and a few more wins this season, especially since we're right in the middle of trying to secure a new arena somehow...gotta have people to actually GO to the games when/if we get that arena built. This is just another nick to the Kings already faltering image. We really need Tyreke Evans and Omri to grow up REAL fast now to get some positive attention for once.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Mussellman was/is a tool. No way he should have skipped community service. Also, community service does not equal picking up trash. Depends on who you are and on your profession.
Nocioni likely would have to go into schools and work with the kids or something along those lines. His going to high schools and talking about the stupidity and dangers of drinking and driving would also go a long way to re-ingratiate himself into the community.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
I guess I'd put it, Musselman was/is a fool.
As I recall, he claimed to have asthma or some such terrible ailment and then got a doctors note allowing him to "skip out." I have a friend who also has asthma but after getting a first offense DUI in Sacramento County he was required to pick up trash along the freeway for a few days along with fine, etc.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
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