No qualifying offer for DDV?
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I'm displeased by this and to be honest a bit shocked that DDV isn't someone not only Monte would find useful but also Coach Brown.
Question does not extending a QO also cost us his Bird rights or is that a separate act of renouncing him altogether? I can see that DDV possibly has given his number to Monte and they said it ain't happening and are planning to pursue new targets (Oladipo?). That said they could have a side deal where they come back to the table if DDV isn't getting the $$$ he wants and the Kings whiff on another player.
You know like when a monogamous couple agrees to see other people. 99% of the time it's over but occasionally they say "hey, grass wasn't greener".
DDV seemed happy to be wanted in Sac but his agent seemed to poison the well with the whole price of the QO deal, I don't think DDV was ever actually going to sign the QO so who cares?
Question does not extending a QO also cost us his Bird rights or is that a separate act of renouncing him altogether? I can see that DDV possibly has given his number to Monte and they said it ain't happening and are planning to pursue new targets (Oladipo?). That said they could have a side deal where they come back to the table if DDV isn't getting the $$$ he wants and the Kings whiff on another player.
You know like when a monogamous couple agrees to see other people. 99% of the time it's over but occasionally they say "hey, grass wasn't greener".
DDV seemed happy to be wanted in Sac but his agent seemed to poison the well with the whole price of the QO deal, I don't think DDV was ever actually going to sign the QO so who cares?
Not sure what this is about to be honest. Clearly our best option at SG and someone that fits really well with Fox as a jack of all trades, master of none type role player.
This move doesn’t make sense! Why would you give away an asset like that? Especially someone that you traded for twice. Its not like you have cap space so that you don’t want that hold on the cap. Unless that ankle is worse than we thought?
This move doesn’t make sense! Why would you give away an asset like that? Especially someone that you traded for twice. Its not like you have cap space so that you don’t want that hold on the cap. Unless that ankle is worse than we thought?
Another thought, let's say Monte wanted to sign him to a 2 year deal of any amount, they can have that offer on the table while letting him shop around, any team that offers him a deal won't have an incentive to jack up the contract some ungodly amount just to see if we blink, so odds are they will just offer whatever they think he's worth. No poison pill kickers or other BS because if he signs he signs. Assuming we haven't renounced him, is the cap hold lower than the QO?
Very surprised by this. Thought he was a Monte guy. Perhaps they have an idea of the market for him and it’s a little higher than they anticipated it was going to be.
I just hope it means there is some legit targets they like better. Guys that bring the same defensive scrappiness and ball handing ability, but are perhaps less streaky shooters and less likely to take the terrible shots DDV took.
TD is way too feast or famine to be the full time answer at shooting guard.
I just hope it means there is some legit targets they like better. Guys that bring the same defensive scrappiness and ball handing ability, but are perhaps less streaky shooters and less likely to take the terrible shots DDV took.
TD is way too feast or famine to be the full time answer at shooting guard.
So potentially the Kings can still re-sign DiVincenzo using his Bird rights even though they declined to extend a QO?
If so, is it possible they've already agreed with Donte and his agent on the framework of a deal but declined the QO to open up cap room?
Otherwise I can only conclude that McNair traded for Donte after pursuing him for two seasons only to let him walk for nothing which makes no sense to me.
If so, is it possible they've already agreed with Donte and his agent on the framework of a deal but declined the QO to open up cap room?
Otherwise I can only conclude that McNair traded for Donte after pursuing him for two seasons only to let him walk for nothing which makes no sense to me.
But declining to QO doesn't open up cap room. The Bird rights still have a cap hold.
I don't see any cap "loopholes" here, and I think the CBA was designed to specifically avoid them in this area.
The only thing that really makes sense to me is that the Kings - for whatever reason - didn't want to risk having DDV on the payroll at $6.6M for one year (that's the risk of him accepting the QO - if he got an RFA offer we didn't want to match, we could just decline to match). So do they think that's an overpay? I kind of doubt it. Which means they're either happy to move on (also makes little sense given the pursuit) or they've got some irons in the fire that, if they come to fruition, would make them regret a DDV contract at 1/$6.6M. Or maybe Ham was right and DDV was super unhappy and so they just let him go rather than try to coerce an unhappy player to stay.
The last one almost makes the most sense. RFA allows the Kings to let sit back and let the market dictate the contract. DDV may have felt that the Kings used him in such a way as to depress the value of that contract, and if he's going to come back, it will be on his terms (years/$$) in an open negotiation rather than in terms of what a depressed market might offer. And we figured we'd rather not have an angry player, I guess?
I don't see any cap "loopholes" here, and I think the CBA was designed to specifically avoid them in this area.
The only thing that really makes sense to me is that the Kings - for whatever reason - didn't want to risk having DDV on the payroll at $6.6M for one year (that's the risk of him accepting the QO - if he got an RFA offer we didn't want to match, we could just decline to match). So do they think that's an overpay? I kind of doubt it. Which means they're either happy to move on (also makes little sense given the pursuit) or they've got some irons in the fire that, if they come to fruition, would make them regret a DDV contract at 1/$6.6M. Or maybe Ham was right and DDV was super unhappy and so they just let him go rather than try to coerce an unhappy player to stay.
The last one almost makes the most sense. RFA allows the Kings to let sit back and let the market dictate the contract. DDV may have felt that the Kings used him in such a way as to depress the value of that contract, and if he's going to come back, it will be on his terms (years/$$) in an open negotiation rather than in terms of what a depressed market might offer. And we figured we'd rather not have an angry player, I guess?
And this would be either a pointless exercise or literally bidding against yourself. A QO should realistically scare teams away on a player like this. I mean, I can see how for the Kings it could also not force an overpay by a team but it's likely MLE or bust for Donte anyway.
I've brought this up before, was Donte really ever that guy to Monte? Or was he just there and available? Think about what Donte fetched. Like Monte couldn't have gotten him before? Yeah, he was coming off injury but still. We know that Monte didn't approach the Bucks with Bogdan looking for Donte. If he did the Kings would be light a few draft picks.
I've brought this up before, was Donte really ever that guy to Monte? Or was he just there and available? Think about what Donte fetched. Like Monte couldn't have gotten him before? Yeah, he was coming off injury but still. We know that Monte didn't approach the Bucks with Bogdan looking for Donte. If he did the Kings would be light a few draft picks.
But guaranteed contracts are guaranteed contracts. You can go up to 20, but then you have to get back down. Sure, you can trade a guy away in the meantime, or waive a guaranteed contract, but the point of calling it a "roster crunch" is to point out that if you have 14 guaranteed contracts and you want to sign three more, you have to find some way eventually to get rid of two.