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SLAB said:
Fred Warner won Defensive Player of the Week. I remember when he was drafted the talking heads basically said “He’s fine, but where’s the upside?” and moved on.
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NFL draft experts are damn near useless, exhibit 763b.
 
fansinceday1 said:
Ok, so this is from patsfanken over at patsfans.com.
I just have to post this because it’s the best explanation I’ve seen of what the ravens are doing and how they can be beat. This is a cool post for real football nerds:


Now children just listen while Grandpa Ken schools you on some football history tonight.

What you are seeing from the Ravens isn't anything new at all. In fact it is very VERY old. The Ravens offense is just a rehashed version of the old single wing offense that was all the rage in the 20's, 30's, and 4o's, and didn't become dated until the early 50's when the wing-T formation began to come into prominence. This marks the tine when the QB starts the play from under C. Back when I coached, there was still ONE team in the area that ran the T and wing T into the late 70's. North Quincy HS still ran it, and it was a tough thing to stop since you only saw it once a year. And as the DC it was my job to stop it.

I wish it was 20 years ago when I still had boxes of my old game plans. I remember I had a great one for that week that worked beautifully, but that just about all I got. Here's what I DO remember about the single wing.

a. In its base form you'd have 3 backs in the backfield, 2 TE's. With a direct snap to a QB who was both the primary runner and passer. With all kinds of backfield movement and counter off it, you generally could create numbers advantages to one side or another. You could also run options off of it, and almost EVERY pass comes off a play action pass. The Ravens do the same thing only using a TE and RB, and sometimes 2 TE to go along with Jackson in the backfield.

b. I recall that we determined that looking into the backfield was a fools errand, though reading the line proved to be a solid key. So that would be my first thing. Break down what they are doing and come up with some line keys that give the LB's their first direction.

c. Some of this is coming back. IIRC when they were in a run situation, which was most of the time, we lined up in a 6-2. For the Pats it would come out as a 4 DL and 2 ILB's with 2 OLB's on the LOS with 3 DB's. With the secondary guys we have vs the receivers they have we can play something like this effectively, especially if they use the 2 TE's in the backfield like they did when they played us. I don't see us playing a 3-4 front.

d. WIN the LOS. It's actually coming back now. I had my 6 down linemen play head on the G, T, and TE's. I had my the guys on the OT's play off the LOS a yard, like the Cowboys of the 70's did with their DL. Then based on the keys, formations and motions the LB's would call out prearranged gap numbers and the DLmen would twist or hit gaps and really screwed up their blocking schemes. Hard to explain in words.

At any rate it worked far better than I had a right to expect. It was a one week fix. We ran a pretty standard 5-2 Oakie which is what they called the 3-4 back then every other game. In those days the 5-2 and the Penn State 4-4 were what most H.S's ran. AND now I'm rambling. Sorry

Here's the thing. Bill knows what this is. I know Jackson threw for 5 TD, but he STILL threw for only about 160 yds in total. So this is ALL about stopping the run, and stopping it from a SINGLE WING offense.

Give Baltimore credit for creating the perfect offense for the talent they have on hand. But this is working BECAUSE it is new, just like Bears' 4-6 terrorized NFL teams for 2 years, and Walsh his West Coast offense for a while. Remember the run and shoot. Well you probably don't but it killed for a nanosecond as well. There was even a moment in time when the triple option was used and was effective.

I bet Bill has guys researching old archives for the kind of single wing offenses that MOST resemble what the Ravens are doing and WHAT defensive concepts were most effective in stopping them.

We saw what this defense did to the top offense in the NFL last Sunday. I don't care if the Ravens beat the rest of their schedule 50-0, I trust that Bill will have them ready to play a special game against them.

I won't mind if the Ravens have their hour in the sun. Let the media crown their asses in December, JUST like they did KC last season. I LIKE being the underdog for a change, and I'm sure Bill will let his team know how much everyone wants them out of contention every week from now on.
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Nice post. Glad you shared it. If possible, can you add a link back to that site? That's generally how those kinds of "shares" are handled. Thanks.
 
hrdboild said:
That's why I'm not penciling in a defeat against the Ravens and their best in the league offense yet. What this D Line just did to Green Bay was almost unfair. They made Rogers look like he had no business on a football field and that's an MVP winner in the middle of another great season. Even those games against Arizona and Seattle where they gave up more points than usual were more a matter of penalties extending drives and the offense turning the ball over and gifting the other team half the field. Penalties were still a problem against Green Bay too. Supposedly the run defense is vulnerable based on the numbers but I think it's just a matter of pass coverage (and pash rush) being so good that other teams have no choice but to run the ball. We are our own worst enemy. If we can clean up the penalties next week and limit the turnovers I think we'll be in good shape. I'm not even surprised anymore when this line stuffs the ball carrier on a 4th and 1, I expect it.
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As good as the 49ers D looked, Rodgers' own o-line and receivers did a good job of making him look like he had no business on a football field. I cannot recall another game where Rodgers looked so dejected and frustrated.
 
Predictions on the Niners game tomorrow, GO!

I figure y’all already know what my pessimistic *** is thinking.
 
SLAB said:
Predictions on the Niners game tomorrow, GO!

I figure y’all already know what my pessimistic *** is thinking.
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You'd find a way to psych yourself into thinking the Niners were doomed even if their opponent was a local peewee football team lol
 
Tetsujin said:
You'd find a way to psych yourself into thinking the Niners were doomed even if their opponent was a local peewee football team lol
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Na, I really didn’t have the doom and gloom feeling going into the game against Green Bay. The Niners kill non-mobile QBs. Same reason I’m not really fretting the Saints and then poor poor Matt Ryan when they play Atlanta.

Running QBs are a different story though!
 
SLAB said:
Na, I really didn’t have the doom and gloom feeling going into the game against Green Bay. The Niners kill non-mobile QBs. Same reason I’m not really fretting the Saints and then poor poor Matt Ryan when they play Atlanta.

Running QBs are a different story though!
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The thing is that they played Russ really well for most of the game aside from that very last part of OT where the kicker shot the ball into the locker room and all momentum was lost and played well against Kyler once the post-loss hangover wore off.

The Halloween game where they played the Cards was probably their worst defensive game of the season though (although one broken tackle probably made the game look worse that it should have).

One thing to keep in mind is that the field is going to be a soggy mess thanks to another monsoon swamping the Baltimore-DC area so who knows how effective everyone's going to be.
 
SLAB said:
Yeah, I seldom deal with the pregame idiots. Every time I do I’m reminded how horrible they are.
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I mean, it can be good when done well. NFL Network's pregame shows are generally really solid with commentators who try to actually talk about the game as opposed to Fox's pregame with is just Inside the NBA with more senility and less intellectual honesty.
 
Trying not to get irrationally cocky here but that D-Line is getting penetration every single play
 
The commentators have gotten Nick Bosa confused with his brother for the past five minute straight.
 
There’s Jimmy’s mindbreaking error of the game. Baltimore just failed to convert.

Followed by a bad throw to keep them short of the first. Bad series there.
 
SLAB said:
There’s Jimmy’s mindbreaking error of the game. Baltimore just failed to convert.

Followed by a bad throw to keep them short of the first. Bad series there.
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The thing about footballs is that they absorb water like a sponge. That ball's probably twice as heavy as it normally is.
 
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