Gargamel
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I'm not making any judgment on the calls themselves. I'm saying Nader didn't watch the series and his judgment came from a group of Kings fans. If he came about that opinion on his own, then it would've appeared much less partial.
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I'm not making any judgment on the calls themselves. I'm saying Nader didn't watch the series and his judgment came from a group of Kings fans. If he came about that opinion on his own, then it would've appeared much less partial.
I agree, as I've seen that happen as well. But never in the final two or three minutes of a meaningless Milwaukee @ Charlotte Tuesday night game in December, especially if the winner has already been decided.
Especially in a primetime game.
Was Donaghy on the crew for Game 6?
Gargamel
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Just an aside, but Donaghy is really dumb if he has ever bet on the Bucks to win.
Was Donaghy on the crew for Game 6?
Nope. It was Dick Bavetta, Ted Bernhardt and Bob Delaney.
Are there any allegations out there right now that Donaghy was in cahoots with a house? I thought he was out for himself and his buddies on the betting, not bookie side.
He had low level connections with the Mob. Grant was just on and said this is a sad day for himself being he (Grant) has been announcing games for 20 years and that David Stern is going to have a tough sell job to get fans to believe these games arent fixed and that this was an isolated incident with one official. How could this go unoticed for two years though? Every game has a league official at the games watching the refs and they review the game right away in the lockeroom to see what calls were right and which were wrong. If he had anything to do with the kings winning any more games than they were supposed to this season I am going to be pissed lol.
Starting Five
Bench
1919 World Series
And so was the Steelers win in the SuperBowl in which the ref's caused the Seahawks to lose the game..
Starting Five
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Whoever was reffing the Kings/Lakers Game 6 should be going to jail..
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
If he was connected to the Mob then he was connected to bookmakers... you can bet on it.
JoMama
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Best point, as it directly pertains to the Kings, in this thread. I think it goes even deeper - no way the NBA would now chance putting a team in Vegas. Credibility is everything at this point and the NBA will have to reestablish its credibility. The Kings and Maloofs can say goodbye to any leverage they had in threatening a move to Vegas.
zip95843
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KP
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Amen Brother... Amen.
Well, I'm not shocked at this story in the least. It's hard to throw a game but manipulating a game is much easier. I've notice that in many games refs make calls to keep the game close unless it's a boring blowout. Teams always go on runs but refs always make call to keep it close so there'll be drama in crunch time in which the game is decided on a bucket or two. It's always the same MO. Call me crazy and I can't prove this but I have a strange innate feeling about it. And of course, everyone knows about rookie calls and star treatment.
vladetomiller
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Right, almost every one agrees that the games are kept close when one team tries to pull away and in particular on national tv. Another pathetic excuse they always give is the rookie and the star treatment and they have brought it to a level where it is universally accepted that it will happen. WHY ?
That gives them a way out easily to "manipulate" the games.
If general public has the perception that the games are always kept close and there are calls, questionable and poor being the adjectives given by commentators and writers to keep the games close - What has the nba done about that to change the perception. Has that factor changed the last 5 years.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You use these wonderful terms "almost everyone agrees" "and in general the public has" and yet the strangest thing is that I have yet to see one of your assertions that followed those statements that expressed anything but a fringe conspiracy theory.
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Gargamel
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As mentioned earlier, Stern is reinstating Joey Crawford again (and the first time was after he had to complete house arrest). Only a month or so before the incident w/ Duncan, Joey was on Bryant Gumbel's show bragging about his quick trigger finger, no less.
^ If fans can put up w/ him, they can deal w/ Donaghy. Matter of fact, I am certain that most of us here (including me) wouldn't have even come up w/ this guy if challenged to name 10 refs. Imo, Joey and Javie are arguably as bad as him based on their almighty attitudes.
Gargamel
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And so was the Steelers win in the SuperBowl in which the ref's caused the Seahawks to lose the game..
There is a basketball example. Jack Molinas, who was the most notorious game fixer in basketball history. He did it as a player at Columbia Univ and was barred from the league in his rookie season (Pistons). He's also the reason why Connie Hawkins was barred from the league as a young man.
Very complex guy. Genius IQ, law degree, mentored and funded by mafia families, founded a porn film company, a wiseguy whacked him out in his front yard in the 70s. Kingsfan favorite Charley Rosen wrote a book on him. He's the only one old enough to remember players like Molinas, Whitey Skoog, and Chuck Conners.
vladetomiller
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LOL LOL
Cos thats what I am talking about and why would i not make those statements.
I think many fans have come to accept that
1. stars get a different treatment
2. rookies get a different treatment
3. Games are kept close to increase interest
4. there will be bad and poor calls in every game
5. Many games in the season were determined by refs (Not you VF21 and supes, I have very high respect for you on that regard as you have not changed your position even if the kings lose to really bad calls )
6. Refs will not call end game fouls unless it is blatant and sometime they are so very questionable when it involves bronze or dwhistle of late
Then I tend to think the league has an ulterior motive and if you have some time read some of the articles the last couple of days that is talking about the leagues integrity and they seem to say that it was in question for a while now. Incidentally cuban became a owner in this instance and he is saying the nba is fine.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And here is where the...strangeness...comes in.
Because outside of #3, where I fear your multitudes of fans may be basically you, yourself and maybe your mom, NONE of the rest of the things you have listed have anything to do with anything when it comes to conspiracies. Unless of course you just like conspiracies. Even if you were to accept them all as true, even if you were to completely ignore a myriad of factors that weigh into them (normal human psychology, hardest game to referree because of speed/number of calls etc.), the sum total of all of your accusations would be = BAD reffing. Not conspiracy.
vladetomiller
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Maybe you dont read the posts here that are not posted by me, go and take a look at some of the other posts here where people are talking about rookie treatment and star treatment.
So if you spend some time reading other posts, news articles and sometimes other forums apart from spending time with your mom then you might realize that there are many fans that feel that way
So if you spend some time reading other posts, news articles and sometimes other forums apart from spending time with your mom then you might realize that there are many fans that feel that way
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Time Out!
Ok..no offense, but needed to get your attention. Here's why:
1) The Daily News is a tabloid, half a step up from the Enquirer. It likes to sensationalize.
2) Hence what its article this morning did was say: a) Donaghy is going to come into FBI offices; and b) at that time he could name other names. Its feeble attempt to supplement b) was some quote fomr an unnamed "law enforecement officeal" (in other words, night janitor) that once Donaghy comes in "who knows what he will say". You have to be very careful catching the nuances when you read those papers. It was pure sensationalism, added purely out of the imagination of the writer. But written with expertise, it hints at "fact" to get the tongues wagging and the copies selling. Doesn't mean it could NOT happen, but does mean that there was not a shred of anything in that article besides the author's pure speculation to say that it would.
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Entity
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Exactly what would the NBA have to gain by having the same 2 teams win 6 of the last 8 championships. Nothing in fact this past NBA finals was the lowest rated in recent history. Even though that is true you can bet your bottom dollar that the same 2 teams will be right in the thick of it again next season.
