NBA bigwigs could use a swift kick in the pants

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Marty Mac's world: NBA bigwigs could use a swift kick in the pants
By Martin McNeal -- Bee Columnist
Published 12:01 am PDT Tuesday, June 20, 2006

When Game 6 of the NBA Finals starts tonight in Dallas, Mavericks star forward Dirk Nowitzki should be at home watching.

It's that simple.

At the end of Game 5 in Miami, Nowitzki kicked the ball into the stands. He might have had every reason -- and a box of chicken wings -- to be angry about what occurred late in the Heat's 101-100 victory Sunday.

He did not, however, have any reason other than loss of self-control to kick the ball into the stands. Certainly no reason more than did the Kings' Bonzi Wells to punch a ball into the tunnel March 26 against the Golden State Warriors at Arco Arena.

Wells was ejected late in the first quarter of that game and fined $5,000 the next day. The NBA apparently is hiding behind the fact that Nowitzki's loss of control came after the game.

Interesting was the wording of the release announcing Nowitzki's fine: "Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki was issued the standard fine of $5,000 for kicking a basketball into the stands, it was announced (Monday) by Stu Jackson, NBA Senior Vice President Basketball Operations."

Take the word "standard" and make it the operative word of that sentence.

When Wells received an automatic ejection against the Warriors, the reasoning was it was because the ball went into the stands, even though the ball actually went into one of two tunnels that run underneath the stands.

That thought process includes the possibility the ball could have hit and injured a fan. That was the basis for an automatic ejection and "standard" fine.

Let me get this right! Is the NBA telling us it's somehow safer for fans to be walking with their back to the court on the way out of the arena, risking getting clocked in the coconut by Nowitzki's World Cup footwork, than it is to be in your seat watching the action and see the ball coming at them?

In a manner of speaking, yes, that's what the league is telling you, when you know darned skippy if you asked Slinging Stu or Dominating David Stern (your NBA commissioner) to share in which position they would feel more vulnerable, it would be at the end of the game walking on stairs.

There have been similar postgame scenarios, and the player was suspended for the following contest.

Now, I'm often stupid but rarely dumb. This was the easy way out. Take the hard line and suspend Nowitzki, and the likelihood of huge dollars being lost is incredible. The Mavericks, it can be argued, would have a difficult time winning Game 6 without him, and then Game 7 would be out the door. That's lost TV revenues and gate receipts, to name two.

To think the potential lost money didn't enter into the decision would be to believe everything the NBA tells us or, for that matter, everything we read, hear or see reported.

And all of that is before we get to whether Miami guard Dwyane Wade was fouled when he maneuvered through that double-teaming Dallas defense and got the whistle from Bennett Salvatore with 1.9 seconds left in overtime.

About the writer: The Bee's Martin McNeal can be reached at mmcneal@sacbee.com.
 
1) suspending Dirk would be absolutely terrible for the integrity of the Finals. Make an outcome determinative suspension on the basis of a completely irrelevant conduct rule? NBA made the right call regardless fo anything else.

2) But that said, Marty nailed it when he called himself stupid. Let's try to follow some Marty logic here:

1a) Bonzi Wells hits a ball into the stands midgame.
1b) He is thrown out of the game.
1c) He is fined $5000
1d) He is NOT suspended

2a) Dirk Nowitzki punts a ball into the stands post game.
2b) Game is over, so he cannot be thrown out.
2c) He is fined $5000
2d) He is not suspended

And Marty, in all his muddle headedness, somehow thinks the two were inconsistent? Uh..."Mac", both men paid $5000, neither man was suspended. Sorry the whole during game/after game thing seems to confused you. Really not that hard to get.
 

I have to correct my earlier post in another thread. Chris was fined $10k, not $30k for his punt into the upper level. Still, $5,000 for Dirk's little floorshow seems pretty light. :cool:



2/10/05
The NBA suspended Brad Miller (Sac) for 1 game for berating the refs and
throwing his headband and wristbands into the stands following Tuesday's
Sac-Pho game. Mike Bibby (Sac) was fined $15,000 for berating the refs and
failing to leave the court in a timely manner after the game. Cuttino
Mobley (Sac) was fined $15,000 for comments he made about the refs following
the game. Chris Webber (Sac) was fined $10,000 for kicking the ball into
the stands after the game ended. [Amare Stoudemire (Pho) blocked a shot by
Miller as time expired that would have tied the game and it looked like it
might have been goaltending, but no call was made.]

http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html#04-05

And it WAS GOALTENDING!!:mad:
 
The thing is any other player than Dirk would probably have been suspended. So now the NBA has set the precedent that this behavior is ok. Well its ok if you have $5000 to spare, which I'm pretty sure even the guys on the inactive spot have.
 
The thing is any other player than Dirk would probably have been suspended. So now the NBA has set the precedent that this behavior is ok. Well its ok if you have $5000 to spare, which I'm pretty sure even the guys on the inactive spot have.

I don't think so. As Brick pointed out, the only difference between Bonzi's case and Dirk's case is that Dirk wasn't ejected. Both got the fines, neither got suspended. There isn't any double standard in these two comparisons...
 
Bonzi's ball arguably accidentally went into the tunnel but because of the new rules he had to be ejected. Initially he was only assessed a technical. Missing the remainder of that game which I believe we went on to lose was punishment enough - especially considering that if we had won we would have probably got the 7th seed in the playoffs.

Dirk intentionally punted the ball into the stands, far more dangerous and definitely the behavior the league was trying to curtail when they made the rule change. Prior incidents of similar behavior were met with far harsher fines. Dirk should have at least gotten a $25-50k fine when you also factor in the rest of his behavior as he walked off the court and through the tunnel. I still believe any other player besides Wade, Shaq and maybe Terry would have been suspended for this one though. So he's getting off very lucky.
 
Well I'll say again I do NOT want to see players suspended for this espcially superstars during the finals, BUT it would seem that given the comparison Dirk got off a little light.
 
Well I'll say again I do NOT want to see players suspended for this espcially superstars during the finals, BUT it would seem that given the comparison Dirk got off a little light.


How so?


Again, it is absolutely consistent.

Ball into stands =
1) kicked out of game
2) $5000 fine
3) no suspension

Exactly what Dirk got.
 
How so?


Again, it is absolutely consistent.

Ball into stands =
1) kicked out of game
2) $5000 fine
3) no suspension

Exactly what Dirk got.
It would appear given the severity of the infractions that Dirk would get at least what tubiscus posted for the Kings incident last year. Bonzi's ball in the tunnel seemed almost accidental. Either way the new precedent has been set, the next random player to do the same thing better not get a stiffer penalty.
 
Even though Dirk did it on a bigger stage, I still maintain that no one ever kicked a ball into the stands with as much style and aggression than Chuck Person.
 
Exactly what severity?

He kicked a ball into the stands, and kicked some equipment in the hallway. I mean oooooh! scary!

If that was a suspensible offense, then it would be one thing. I think I might STILL argue for the sake of the Finals you maybe suspend the guy to start next season or some such rather than determine the outcome of the league's greatest showcase. But its not suspensible, I don't think ever has been unless there was malice and an attempt to play dodgeball with an obnoxious fan or whatnot, so any hubbub here is silly. To suspend the guy would be the inconsistent thing. Making a new rule at the absolute peak fo the season.
 
At a minimum shouldn't he get at least the $10,000 fine Webber got last year? And maybe more for the other stuff? I'm not saying he should be suspended even though I think any non-star player would be (and I'm not saying that's right either). But fining a guy about 1 minute's worth of pay is a complete joke considering that the NBA seemed considerably worried about ball in the stands incidents and their own liability enough to change the rules mid-season.

Shouldn't the standard for the playoffs be higher than the regular season since everyone's watching?
 
Shouldn't the standard for the playoffs be higher than the regular season since everyone's watching?

Nobody cares.

Seriously, what sort of SPORTS fan out there wants to see Dirk suspended for something so silly in Game 6 of the NBA Finals? Its a conduct rule. In a world where no fine ever makes a dent, the fine is decent. You were a bad boy Dirk. A bad bad boy. But it is still a completely irrelevant "event" that has nothing to do with the sport at all.
 
I'm not arguing for a suspension Brick. I think a ball in the stands is no big deal, hell if it hit me I'd think "free souvenir". But the NBA decided at some point this season it was a big deal and now they're blowing it off. That's what I have an issue with.
 
Basically, if you make money for the league and have a clean record like Dirk...then you get a slap on the wrist and have to pay "Pocket Change."

I don't think the act warrants a suspension, but I'm mad about the fact that when players with worse reputations do it, then they are suspended just based on past transgressions.

Had Artest done it, he would have gotten 3-5 games and $25K. It's an image thing, and the NBA is all about preserving the moneymakers, and not letting troublemakers repent from their mistakes.
 
Sigh.

WHO GOT SUSPENDED FOR DOING THAT???


People seem to be making the same mistake that Marty did. Getting confused about the difference between getting kicked out of a game and getting suspended. WHO HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FOR DOING THAT?

If the answer is nobody, then what are we talking about here? The league may be "taking it seriously". As in taking it seriously enough to boot you form a game. But has the league EVER shown it wanted to SUSPEND people for this?? Regular season? Playoffs? Big star? Scrub? Who's been suspended for the NEXT game?
 
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