My Trade Ideas

[Kings Faithful]

This is just a few random trades i did. I looked at every single team in the NBA and have chosen a few random trades that continue our aim of rebuilding and the future. So don't flame me for some of these if it seems ridiculous, im trying to be as none homer as I can. And all trades work money wise.



Trade 1
Kings Trade:Brad Miller, Mikki Moore

Bulls Trade:Tyrus Thomas, Larry Hughes

Tyrus is having a below average season right now (which is why the Bulls are willing to trade him), but i still see alot of potential, not to mention the effects of his athleticism could have on our team. Larry Hughes isn't working too well in Chicago's system and I think he could come in and be a decent replacement for Salmons, who we could put on the trading block. With this trade we basically stay the same as far as free'd up money for the FA's go. Even thoe we could probably get more for Miller this does give us another young "potential" player as well as the option of trading off Salmons for another piece or maby we could package him in a deal to move up in the draft. If you want you can add Thabo Sefolosho into the trade, the money still works and the Bulls hardly play him anymore so he could be a could prospect as well. Bulls would probably go for this because they seem very needy of a Center, especially because they really don't have one right now.



Trade 2
Kings Trade: Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, John Salmons, Shelden Williams

Heat Trade:Shawn Marion, Marcus Banks, Udonis Haslem

This actually a modified version of a trade i saw earlier on this forum. I modified it because of some reactions by Heat fans to the initial trade. They didn't want to take on Mikki's contract so they offered to add in Marcus Banks which would be the biggest downside for the Kings in this trade. He has a 3 year 4 mil contract which goes past the 2010 FA obviously. On the brightside we get a run with Shawn Marion and his contract means 17 mil (!) is off the books for this upcoming FA. Udonis is also having a good year and is averaging a much needed 8 rpg. He's basically Mikki Moore with hands and skill.



Trade 3
Kings Trade: Mikki Moore, Brad Miller

Pistons Trade:Rasheed Wallace, Rodney Stuckey

Ok, this one i figured i might get a little heat for due to Sheed's "hostile" nature, but the fact is he means 13 mil off the books this next FA, add that to the extra 4 mill we automatically recieve from this trade and i think we have something going here. Stuckey is also a young expiremental piece who seems to be averaging decent numbers in limited minutes with Detroit. I think Detroit would bite on this because they seem to be goin for broke this season by trading off Billups for Iverson. Being that Miller is a passing center he could be a good "feeder" for A.I. We could use Sheed's inside presence and attitude even thoe he is suffering a little scoring slump this year compared to previous years. The only reasons I could see Detroit not doing this trade is their hesistence to shake things up too much, as well as losing Millers 2 year contract compared to Sheed's 1 year, just in case they were hoping to be players in the 09 FA.

Yeah its late, and im bored but im in a "move forward thinking" mood right now with the way our team has been playing so tell me, which one, if any, would you guys be willing to do?

 

[Spanish_King]

in my opinion the best option would be the second.

Miami get a good scorer in the SF like John Salmons. But I think that Miami don't want Mikki Moore and If they get Brad Miller and Shelden Williams...

The Kings would get a great SF or PW like Shawn Marion, and his contract. Also, Haslem is a very well PF, and he plays with a lot of intensity and get a lot of rebounds. and Banks could be a good second PG.

 

[Jespher]

Trade 3 is obviously the most beneficial to the Kings, but it also would not ever happen on Detroit's end. Why would they trade Rodney Stuckey? Ever?

 

[bajaden]

I would go for trade number 2. I'm not a big fan of Banks, but I could live with him, and possibly dump him as part of a later trade.

Trade number 1 is a loser because of Hughes. I cannot stand the guy, and want him nowhere near my team. By the way, he's from my home town.

Trade number 3, I like Stucky, but not Wallace. Now if Wallace was 6 years younger, I could put up with him.

 

[captain bill]

none of them. the best thing we can get for brad miller is probably a late first round draft pick.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I don't think any of those teams go for those trades.

 

[Prince_XY]

I voted none of the above, because all the above involve losing Miller, or Salmons way too early to players which will not give the team a franchise-type of player impact that we need.

I think the team will remain the same "mediocre team" with these choices of trade.

So why trade?

Also IMO, I actually see the team as an "OKAY" playoff team already. We don't need any unnecessary trade right now just to get rid of players we don't like. What we need is to get everyone healty at the same time and play them together to their strength as a complete crew. And we have to do it ASAP for many times this season, so they could find an identity and rhythm early.

How many times have we seen our team play with a complete cast of our best players playing together?

Once? Maybe twice, or the most three times?

I think this is not enough time to see their maximum potential as a team. It is still way too early to gauge this team.

Miller to me is still serviceable and still a very good center for the team. Actually, I still see in him the same double-double player ( and still a threat to make triple-double ) He had shown that double-double threat more than half of his game this season and once as a triple-double threat.

Now, does any player involved in the trade above has the same potential?

No.

We need rebounds, assists, and shot blocking in this team. Miller can still provide the team just that IF fully motivated.

I have some reservations on our need for Salmons though, because we already have the well-developed Martin and Garcia. But seeing how valuable Salmons is when Martin and Garcia goes down, I'd rather keep Salmons in a future back-up role, than losing him in exchange for another player with the same level of talent.

I'd say let's wait for some more, develop the young "bigs" as fast as we can, and keep the key players ( Udrih, Martin, Greene, Thompson, Hawes, Miller, Salmons, Garcia, Brown, and Williams ) playing together.

P.S.
If it would be the likes of an Oden and Jefferson, then by all means let's get rid of Miller and Salmons to get them!


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[Kings Faithful]

The point of the trades aren't to get a superstar building block to the team, the point is to dump Miller and Salmons while trade stock is high and get that extra $$$$, and at the same time keeping this season managable by getting some quality in return. If we were to trade for Sheed or Marion we would almost 100% dump them after this season is up, unlesss they wan't to sign for less money because of their age, which is unlikely.

 

[bajaden]

I voted none of the above, because all the above involve losing Miller, or Salmons way too early to players which will not give the team a franchise-type of player impact that we need.

I think the team will remain the same "mediocre team" with these choices of trade.

So why trade?

Also IMO, I actually see the team as an "OKAY" playoff team already. We don't need any unnecessary trade right now just to get rid of players we don't like. What we need is to get everyone healty at the same time and play them together to their strength as a complete crew. And we have to do it ASAP for many times this season, so they could find an identity and rhythm early.

How many times have we seen our team play with a complete cast of our best players playing together?

Once? Maybe twice, or the most three times?

I think this is not enough time to see their maximum potential as a team. It is still way too early to gauge this team.

Miller to me is still serviceable and still a very good center for the team. Actually, I still see in him the same double-double player ( and still a threat to make triple-double ) He had shown that double-double threat more than half of his game this season and once as a triple-double threat.

Now, does any player involved in the trade above has the same potential?

No.

We need rebounds, assists, and shot blocking in this team. Miller can still provide the team just that IF fully motivated.

I have some reservations on our need for Salmons though, because we already have the well-developed Martin and Garcia. But seeing how valuable Salmons is when Martin and Garcia goes down, I'd rather keep Salmons in a future back-up role, than losing him in exchange for another player with the same level of talent.

I'd say let's wait for some more, develop the young "bigs" as fast as we can, and keep the key players ( Udrih, Martin, Greene, Thompson, Hawes, Miller, Salmons, Garcia, Brown, and Williams ) playing together.

P.S.
If it would be the likes of an Oden and Jefferson, then by all means let's get rid of Miller and Salmons to get them!


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I can't speak for everyone as to why the trading of Miller and Salmons now is a good idea. But for me, and the reason I went with number 2 is that Marion would come off the books after this year and give us 17 mil of salary cap space to use on a free agent, or in a trade where the salaries don't match. I like the idea of having as many options as possible to improve the team. With everyone else in the league looking at 2010, it might be a good idea to do something after 2009.

Remember, Williams and Douby come off the books at the end of this year also, and the Kings have the option on Moore. So they could have significant cap space to make some moves.

 

[Gary]

Why not throw Beno in there.. I am so tired of watching him run the offense.. He sucks.

 

[bajaden]

Why not throw Beno in there.. I am so tired of watching him run the offense.. He sucks.

Come on Gary, he's not that bad. He's certainly not the reason the Kings are losing. I would like to see Beno on the floor with Hawes, Thompson, Cisco, and Martin. Just once, for a whole quarter. You would have a high energy group thats athletic with a nice mix of youth and experience.

I would bet you, your house, that they would play just as well as the starters Reggie's playing now. And, if allowed to play together for a period of time would be better than the current group.

 

[Prince_XY]

I can't speak for everyone as to why the trading of Miller and Salmons now is a good idea. But for me, and the reason I went with number 2 is that Marion would come off the books after this year and give us 17 mil of salary cap space to use on a free agent, or in a trade where the salaries don't match. I like the idea of having as many options as possible to improve the team. With everyone else in the league looking at 2010, it might be a good idea to do something after 2009.

Remember, Williams and Douby come off the books at the end of this year also, and the Kings have the option on Moore. So they could have significant cap space to make some moves.

The big question is who can we surely get on 2009 who can give us the significant impact in upgrading our team?

We are gambling losing a still proven double-double and sometimes triple-double threat center, who can be an inexpensive back-up at#5 in the future for Hawes - all in exchange for the same never ending uncertainty.

We get Marion and Haslem NOW, and we end up slowing down the development of Thompson and Greene some more NOW, because both will eat-up significant minutes at #3 and #4 - unless you want to use the tandem of dwarves Haslem and Williams to sparingly relieve Hawes at #5. Or we can use the undersized-for-#5 Thompson, or underweight Moore at #5 too. Certainly, these options will not bring us the elite team we want.

And what would we do about Haslem " the second-coming of KT contract " after we got rid of Marion?

IMO, there is no clear future if we break this promising roster apart NOW. It wouldn't be worth a gamble to trade for another uncertainty, especially that we haven't even seen what our key players can do together if given enough games to play together as a complete team.

 

[Kings Faithful]

We get Marion and Haslem NOW, and we end up slowing down the development of Thompson and Greene some more NOW, because both will eat-up significant minutes at #3 and #4 - unless you want to use the tandem of dwarves Haslem and Williams to sparingly relieve Hawes at #5. Or we can use the undersized-for-#5 Thompson, or underweight Moore at #5 too. Certainly, these options will not bring us the elite team we want.

I think you need to look at the trade again. In my trade i got rid of Williams and Moore. If you look at it i actually freed up more minutes for the Rooks. Our only setback would be an undersized backup PF in Haslem, but he plays C in Miami so i don't think it would be that big of a problem.

PG-Beno/Browne/Banks
SG-Martin/Jackson/Browne
SF-Marion/Green/Thompson
PF-Haslem/Thompson/Marion
C-Hawes/Haslem/Thompson

We could have alot of lineups being able to virtually interchange our PG and SG, SF and PF, and PF and C. This could give teams fits at least for this year. Hawes would for sure start at center with Miller gone, so more minutes for him and Thompson would pretty much play the same role he is now and without Moore around maby a few more minutes. Greene might suffer a few less minutes but i wouldn't think so unless coach decides to play Marion at SF more than he did Salmons. All that plus we gain about 20 mil by the end of the year to sign one (or two) free agents. If Boozer opts out of his contract with the jazz (unlikely), we have to make a run for him. Hedo and Odom are two others we might want to look at. Remember we don't have to spend all of our cash in just 1 of these FA's. If need be we can sign a B-star such as Odom or Hedo in 09 and then make a run for a A-star in 10. Either way, the Kings have alot of money coming off the books and by the end of 2010-11 season we will be in the playoffs, im convinced.

 

[Kings Faithful]

We are gambling losing a still proven double-double and sometimes triple-double threat center, who can be an inexpensive back-up at#5 in the future for Hawes - all in exchange for the same never ending uncertainty.


And what would we do about Haslem " the second-coming of KT contract " after we got rid of Marion?

Brad is not inexpensive, in fact he has the biggest contract on the team. And if you mean we should resign him in 2010 when his contract is up...that isn't happening. There are plenty of teams that he would rather start and earn more money on than be a backup for us. And Haslem's contract is not the second coming of KT contract, his contract is up in 2010 the same year as miller and 1 year before Salmons is up.

 

[Section 101]

Brad is not inexpensive, in fact he has the biggest contract on the team. And if you mean we should resign him in 2010 when his contract is up...that isn't happening. There are plenty of teams that he would rather start and earn more money on than be a backup for us. And Haslem's contract is not the second coming of KT contract, his contract is up in 2010 the same year as miller and 1 year before Salmons is up.

Salmons has an ETO that could end his contract in 2010.

 

[Prince_XY]

I think your point is pretty convincing, especially the expiring of Marion's contract on 2009 and Haslem's contract on 2010 - which pretty much is like dumping half of Miller, Moore, Williams, and Salmons' salary one year ahead of time, and almost all of them by 2010 ( which we all could have dumped anyways if we don't do anything until 2010 )

But still the uncertainty of being able to pick-up a significant player in exchange for losing Miller and Salmons worries me. Petrie hasn't been too good at playing the free agency for the past few years. We got rid of Webber, Christie, and Peja hastily in exchange for bigger headaches. We all know what happened for the past few years with all the bad contracts we accumulated ( Abdur-Rahim, Kenny Thomas, Moore, and Salmons ) that we are just getting rid now.

If this trade happens, then I think I can live with it if what you're saying will happen. But I still want to see first this current roster play a complete cast of key players play as much games for now, before I even try to break it.

I still believe we have a complete and well balanced team not wanting any changes for now. What we only need is for the key players to be able to play together at their best over and over again, and we'll start winning games.

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[Kings Faithful]

I think your point is pretty convincing, especially the expiring of Marion's contract on 2009 and Haslem's contract on 2010 - which pretty much is like dumping half of Miller, Moore, Williams, and Salmons' salary one year ahead of time, and almost all of them by 2010 ( which we all could have dumped anyways if we don't do anything until 2010 )

But still the uncertainty of being able to pick-up a significant player in exchange for losing Miller and Salmons worries me. Petrie hasn't been too good at playing the free agency for the past few years. We got rid of Webber, Christie, and Peja hastily in exchange for bigger headaches. We all know what happened for the past few years with all the bad contracts we accumulated ( Abdur-Rahim, Kenny Thomas, Moore, and Salmons ) that we are just getting rid now.

If this trade happens, then I think I can live with it if what you're saying will happen. But I still want to see first this current roster play a complete cast of key players play as much games for now, before I even try to break it.

I still believe we have a complete and well balanced team not wanting any changes for now. What we only need is for the key players to be able to play together at their best over and over again, and we'll start winning games.

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I wan't to see our team as a whole before any moves are made as well. And i do see your point about not gaining a key addition to our future team in exchange for Miller and Salmons. I tried finding trades like that, but the players i found that would help us in that sense are almost impossible to pry away from there teams, especially since the main goal of about 80% of the league is rebuilding on some level at least. I just wan't to see what pans out, i really hope Geoff makes the best decisions. I'm almost sure Miller is gone at some point thoe.