Mo Evans Next Year?

[Padrino]

But his is where we run into problems, especially with Darius and Mo off the bench. Historically, Adelman's Kings work best with three or four multi-positional players coming off the bench (Bobby at 1/2, Hedo at 2/3/4, Pollard at 4/5 for example). You just admitted that Mo is limited to the 2 spot, and I've talked here before how Darius is better suited to starting since he's limited to the 4 spot.

Ideally, the Kings would keep either Bobby or Cuttino for the backup 1/2 spot, then either start Mo or find someone new for the backup swingman Hedo/JJ role. Skinner I think fits in well as the backup 4/5. But where does that leave Songaila and Thomas??

And Songaila has a player option according to hoopshype, whether one finds them reliable or not , I don't know.

well....thing is, this is no traditonal rick adelman team. at this point, i think kings management would elect to re-sign mo evans to a reasonable contract rather than offer the cat major money to stick around. mo would be the energy coming off the bench at the 2 spot, and hopefully the kings could deal for a starting OG. kenny thomas really is the backup SF we were wanting at the start of the season, and skinner doubles as the backup 4/5, as you said. darius starts at the 4-spot, brad still starts at the 5, so the backup 5 is really what is in question, imo. i doubt we would keep o-tag around, judging by adelman's (curious) refusal to play him major minutes. i really like skinner as the backup 4, and, as much as i appreciate what corliss williamson has done since arriving here in sacto (again), i imagine he is the most likely to be traded in the off season. but, with all that said, i think mo has a great shot at being re-signed by the kings. he's one of those guys i imagine kings management want to see develop. we'll just have to wait and see....

 

[LPKingsFan]

well....thing is, this is no traditonal rick adelman team..

I agree, but this is no model team either. You're right about the most important thing, however. Wait and see, as this is going to be an interesting summer.

Also:

LPKingsFan's cheap perimeter defender of the day: Ira Newble

 

[Padrino]

LPKingsFan's cheap perimeter defender of the day: Ira Newble

i was thinking more along the lines of a Udonis Haslem:http://www.nba.com/playerfile/udonis_haslem/index.html?nav=page

dont know how much he makes, but i dont imagine its a whole helluva lot.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I like Haslem too He's going to be a free agent, but I don't know how we're going to get him away from Shaq and the Heat unless we overpay. He's more of an interior defender though, no? But he'd surely help out a lot with some of our problems there, but only really if we started him.

I thought of Newble as a more of a perimeter guy who could eventually become a stopper. He's under contract for three more years at around $2-3 million each, but I see the Cavs getting either Ray Allen or Joe Johnson this summer and likely won't have much room for him.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Another interesting note:

Would it be too ironic to trade Corliss to the Raptors again? (sign and trade Donyell Marshall)

 

[Padrino]

Another interesting note:

Would it be too ironic to trade Corliss to the Raptors again? (sign and trade Donyell Marshall)

mmmm....i like it!!!

and, yer probably right about haslem. more of an interior defender. just wanted to throw him out there cuz i like his game a lot.

 

[hrdboild]

You guys are talking about more undersized forwards. That's the last thing we need right now. If we're trading the guys we have now, we need to trade up. We need more size in the starting lineup. We're probably not going to get a starter with the MLE so it makes sense to look at teams that are struggling and might be willing to make a salary dump. I've been saying Theo Ratliff because Portland doesn't need to be paying a backup C/PF that kind of money. And we certainly wouldn't have to worry about him trying to step out and make jumpers - his game is all under the hoop. Atlanta seems to have already dumped everybody worth taking. PJ Brown would be nice but the Hornets don't have many worthwhile pieces left so it's hard to see them letting him go. I don't think we want Boozer's contract, but he could fill the role. The pickings are slim from Charlotte. Tim Thomas is overpaid, but a decent fit. Anyway, I think those are the guys to look at. We don't have a starting PF right now. Not a western conference starting PF who's going to guard guys like Duncan and KG.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Perhaps. But how to acquire the second guy on that list, who is going to be pursued for big $$$ this offseason, is the kicker. Also not sure about Mo -- might be up to it, might not. He still has a lot of nights where he doesn't do much. Do agree if we keep all three of the Bibby/Peja/Miller combo though that that's what the other guys have to look like, even if its not those two (Swift/Evans). Need everybody else to be athletic, defensive, tough because if Peja/Mike/Brad are the core three we are all kinds of soft in those areas.

Sign and trade using Cat probably and throw in a Corliss or Thomas and a pick? Petrie has bait.

 

[Diehard Jim]

If carlos boozer was available, I am sure petrie could lure him away.

This guy is a really good power forward with tons of upside. his problem is the jazz expect it all right now, and are having buyers remorse.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I don't know the rules exactly, but I thought you couldn't package someone if you are signing and trading them. I could be wrong.

I regards to the claim that these forwards are largely undersized, you're right. Ratliff, however, is really too pricey, although the Blazers may be wooed by Tag's expiring contract. I don't know why you wouldn't want Boozer, he's a talented young post player who's only going to get better. I just don't know who Utah would want from us. Again, the ideal seems to be Stromile Swift but all we have to offer is the MLE, or Mobley in a sign in trade. Though, Memhpis already has tons of perimeter guys.

 

[SacTownKid]

What does this lineup look like to people?

Brad Miller
Stromile Swift
Peja Stojakovic
Mo Evans
Mike Bibby

Enough balance of offense, defense, finnese and athleticism?

Don't forget that if the Kings go after a big name power forward then most likely Songaila is gone. He will surely opt out.

 

[Bricklayer]

Don't forget that if the Kings go after a big name power forward then most likely Songaila is gone. He will surely opt out.

Which would be fine. He's a solid backup and good for our system, but if Miller is back having a second undersized unathletic non-shotblocker on the frontline is a problematic if you are trying to be a good defensive team.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Which would be fine. He's a solid backup and good for our system, but if Miller is back having a second undersized unathletic non-shotblocker on the frontline is a problematic if you are trying to be a good defensive team.

Exactly. If you land Stro, losing Songaila is far from the end of the world, especially if Skinner is still around to back the 4 and 5 spots.

And following Brick's example of a few days ago, I present LPKingsFan's offseason pipedream.

Trades:
Some combination of draft picks and sign and trades of Thomas, Williamson, Songaila, Mobley, and Evans for:

Larry Hughes (Mobley and Evans)
Stro Swift (Thomas and Songaila)
Donyell Marshall (Williamson)

New lineup:
Brad Miller
Stro Swift
Peja Stojakovic
Larry Hughes
Mike Bibby

Bench:
Bobby Jackson
Kevin Martin
Donyell Marshall
Brian Skinner

Whoo!

Make it happen Geoff!

 

[VF21]

And the other teams would do these trades why again?

God, I hate trade threads.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Way to spoil the fun VF!

My theory is for these teams to panic in the fear of losing these guys outright to free agency without getting in return, so they settle for what we have to offer, like Indy did with Miller/Pollard.

And I did say it's a pipedream!

 

[VF21]

Way to spoil the fun VF!

My theory is for these teams to panic in the fear of losing these guys outright to free agency without getting in return, so they settle for what we have to offer, like Indy did with Miller/Pollard.

And I did say it's a pipedream!

Sorry.

It's just that at some point the GMs in the league are going to have to start blocking Petrie's calls.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Sorry.

It's just that at some point the GMs in the league are going to have to start blocking Petrie's calls.

Well if they haven't done so yet, I don't know if they ever will

 

[BobbyJ_for3!]

Sorry.

It's just that at some point the GMs in the league are going to have to start blocking Petrie's calls.

I always wondered why anyone ever talked to or traded with Petrie. Although I sure am happy they do. The only time GP didn't get the best of a deal in Sactown was when he traded for Nick Anderson. Doesn't seem to have hurt us much.

 

[Diehard Jim]

how did this turn into a trade thread?

One thing for sure is I would never want donyell marshall on my team, he is just a power forward who thinks he should be shooting 3's all day! another derrick coleman.

 

[HndsmCelt]

And the other teams would do these trades why again?

God, I hate trade threads.

A. Disgruntled under performer at adds with coach (Boozer)
B. Player who is a FA forcing a sign and trade with his team.

Honestly Kids IF the Kings persue another PF it needs to be a full grown PF not another 6"7' guy. I'd be happy with Keeping Skinner and securing a good 7 footer to back up Brad and a 2 gaurd.

 

[LPKingsFan]

A. Disgruntled under performer at adds with coach (Boozer)
B. Player who is a FA forcing a sign and trade with his team.

Honestly Kids IF the Kings persue another PF it needs to be a full grown PF not another 6"7' guy. I'd be happy with Keeping Skinner and securing a good 7 footer to back up Brad and a 2 gaurd.

That's where I was coming from, although I admit that the odds of those three guys all forcing sign and trades to the Kings are very very low.

 

[Entity]

Actually this looks and good and is feasable. Mobley and Williamson for Artest. I am sure Indiana wouldn't mine Artest leaving and they get to replace him and Miller in one trade. Then we get a OG that can switch to SF when Mo comes in and Peja goes out or Mo come in at the 2 when Artest goes out. And you still have Jackson who can play the 2 and Martin.

Bibby
Artest
Peja
Songalia
Miller

bench
Jackson
Mo
Martin
Thomas
Skinner
Filler big guy
Filler little guy maybe house
IR guy

 

[LPKingsFan]

how did this turn into a trade thread?

One thing for sure is I would never want donyell marshall on my team, he is just a power forward who thinks he should be shooting 3's all day! another derrick coleman.

Except that he can play both the 3 and 4, can fit into our system because he can shoot, and most importantly he can rebound better than anyone we've got right now save for maybe Skinner.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Actually this looks and good and is feasable. Mobley and Williamson for Artest. I am sure Indiana wouldn't mine Artest leaving and they get to replace him and Miller in one trade. Then we get a OG that can switch to SF when Mo comes in and Peja goes out or Mo come in at the 2 when Artest goes out. And you still have Jackson who can play the 2 and Martin.

Bibby
Artest
Peja
Songalia
Miller

bench
Jackson
Mo
Martin
Thomas
Skinner
Filler big guy
Filler little guy maybe house
IR guy

And you still didn't adress (the more glaring) front court situation, while adding a headcase in Artest.

I like mine better

 

[Entity]

what is wrong with our Front court Do you not like Darius and Kenny at Pf and Miller and Skinner at Center Unless you see a way to get Garnett there isn't much else out there. Artest got into one little fight. Do you actually think that will ever happen again.

 

[mbkings10]

I would love to see if the Kings could some how get Shane Battier. He is a great guy, and a great player. He can shoot from the outside, but also get some points in the paint. Plus he is a pretty good defender and good size also, 6' 8" i believe.

 

[Bricklayer]

what is wrong with our Front court Do you not like Darius and Kenny at Pf and Miller and Skinner at Center Unless you see a way to get Garnett there isn't much else out there. Artest got into one little fight. Do you actually think that will ever happen again.

Miller/Skinner is not a bad center pairing, althoughb Skinner is really a PF.

But Darius and Thomas? Sorry, no. Undersized, entirely unintimidating, no post games. That's a pretty weak duo and defensively you are screwed. How about somebody actually big, strong, athletic? You know, an actual BIG man??

And there are actually a TON of big players out on the free agent market this year.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I would love to see if the Kings could some how get Shane Battier. He is a great guy, and a great player. He can shoot from the outside, but also get some points in the paint. Plus he is a pretty good defender and good size also, 6' 8" i believe.

I would love to have Battier, but he recently signed a long-term extension with the Grizz, while guys like Hughes are FAs and could be attainable in the right circumstances.

 

[Entity]

Miller/Skinner is not a bad center pairing, althoughb Skinner is really a PF.

But Darius and Thomas? Sorry, no. Undersized, entirely unintimidating, no post games. That's a pretty weak duo and defensively you are screwed. How about somebody actually big, strong, athletic? You know, an actual BIG man??

And there are actually a TON of big players out on the free agent market this year.

What are we going to pay this BIG man with? A pair of Webber's old socks? All we got is the MLE. Thats it we can't give a FA anymore than that. Anyway my point wasn't the PF position it was moslty about Mobley and Williamson for Artest.

 

[LPKingsFan]

what is wrong with our Front court Do you not like Darius and Kenny at Pf and Miller and Skinner at Center Unless you see a way to get Garnett there isn't much else out there. Artest got into one little fight. Do you actually think that will ever happen again.

Ditto what Brick said. And as for Artest, at the risk of hijaking the thread, there are too many questions that come into play, even beyond the scope of his behavior. I was one of the proponents for getting him during the summer and against his capital punishment, but you can't say the situation in November won't change him, in ways we don't know yet. Will the new restrained Ron have the same fire and desire for the game? How will his time off translate onto the court? Too borrow from your sig, I want to wait and see what new new Ron is like before going after him.

Plus LArry Hughes and Battier are better passers,