Mike Monroe: Kings' futility opens door for Artest

Mike Monroe: Kings' futility opens door for Artest

Web Posted: 12/21/2005 12:07 AM CST

San Antonio Express-News

An NBA talent evaluator whose opinion counts for plenty offered this thought Tuesday as to the kind of team that would consider trading for Indiana's Ron Artest: "Ultimately, it's going to be somebody who figures their chemistry is already so fouled up it can't get any worse, and by bringing in Artest, it might actually get better."

We give you, then, the Sacramento Kings, with assurances the player personnel expert neither specifically mentioned them nor is associated with the Kings.

In fact, the expert had another team in mind as to which might opt to deal for Artest and his baggage. But it seems the Kings fit the scenario perfectly.

When you watch the Kings, you can't help but feel sad that a team that once was entertaining and dangerous is neither fun to watch nor much of a threat to beat an elite team. After losing to the Bobcats on Monday, they are mired deep in the Pacific Division cellar, grateful the Trail Blazers are so dreadful there is at least one team in the Western Conference with a worse record.

It wasn't long ago the Kings came within one game of making it to the NBA Finals, and they are just two seasons removed from winning the Pacific Division title.

Most striking this season is the Kings' lack of a running game and the shocking absence of a perimeter threat with which Pete Carrill's cutting-and-slashing game made them so difficult to defend.

"Our strength has always been passing and shooting," Kings assistant coach Elston Turner said before his team lost to the Spurs on Saturday. "We've always had at least four long-range shooters to stretch the defense and open it up for cuts to allow us to play the way we play.

"If you look at other teams' scouting reports now, I'm assuming Peja (Stojakovic) and Mike (Bibby) would be the only guys the scouts say you really need to guard."

We checked with many scouts, and Turner is right, although one mentioned Brad Miller still has to be guarded around the top of the key.

In other words, the Kings this season just aren't the Kings we grew accustomed to seeing through most of coach Rick Adelman's previous seven seasons.

When the Kings signed Shareef Abdur-Rahim as a free agent this summer, it looked like a solid move that might allow the Kings to compensate for the absence of Chris Webber. Kings fans never really forgave Webber for not being the budding Hall of Famer he was before injuries robbed him of his explosiveness, but running the offense through Abdur-Rahim isn't the dangerous option that running it through Webber was.

Instead, it looks as if the cloud that has rained on Abdur-Rahim at each stop in his nine previous seasons — from Vancouver to Atlanta to Portland — has followed him to Sacramento.

Turner said Abdur-Rahim and Bonzi Wells, who came over in a summer trade for Bobby Jackson, have proven to be good teammates. Both, he said, are willing to share the ball.

Turner cautioned it is much too early to write off a team he still contends will be competitive enough to make the Western Conference playoffs.

He also is smart enough to know the Kings can't turn a cold shoulder to any player with talent, especially one who can shoot.

"Our margin of error is very slim," Turner said. "If Peja has a bad game, we don't have anybody to come off our bench. Not a scorer at least, like we've had in the past. ... We can't afford to have Peja and Mike out of a game at the same time."

Stojakovic's name keeps surfacing in Artest trade rumors, mostly because his salary is close enough to Artest's to render moot all those salary-cap considerations.

Kings officials insist they don't want to trade Stojakovic for Artest. Nevertheless, scenarios of three-way deals involving the Kings, Pacers and several other teams continue to circulate.

The more the Kings lose, the more likely it is one of them will come true.

mikemonroe@express-news.net
 
bench_blob said:
Mike Monroe: Kings' futility opens door for Artest

Web Posted: 12/21/2005 12:07 AM CST

San Antonio Express-News

An NBA talent evaluator whose opinion counts for plenty offered this thought Tuesday as to the kind of team that would consider trading for Indiana's Ron Artest: "Ultimately, it's going to be somebody who figures their chemistry is already so fouled up it can't get any worse, and by bringing in Artest, it might actually get better."

We give you, then, the Sacramento Kings, with assurances the player personnel expert neither specifically mentioned them nor is associated with the Kings.

In fact, the expert had another team in mind as to which might opt to deal for Artest and his baggage. But it seems the Kings fit the scenario perfectly.

When you watch the Kings, you can't help but feel sad that a team that once was entertaining and dangerous is neither fun to watch nor much of a threat to beat an elite team. After losing to the Bobcats on Monday, they are mired deep in the Pacific Division cellar, grateful the Trail Blazers are so dreadful there is at least one team in the Western Conference with a worse record.

It wasn't long ago the Kings came within one game of making it to the NBA Finals, and they are just two seasons removed from winning the Pacific Division title.

Most striking this season is the Kings' lack of a running game and the shocking absence of a perimeter threat with which Pete Carrill's cutting-and-slashing game made them so difficult to defend.

"Our strength has always been passing and shooting," Kings assistant coach Elston Turner said before his team lost to the Spurs on Saturday. "We've always had at least four long-range shooters to stretch the defense and open it up for cuts to allow us to play the way we play.

"If you look at other teams' scouting reports now, I'm assuming Peja (Stojakovic) and Mike (Bibby) would be the only guys the scouts say you really need to guard."

We checked with many scouts, and Turner is right, although one mentioned Brad Miller still has to be guarded around the top of the key.

In other words, the Kings this season just aren't the Kings we grew accustomed to seeing through most of coach Rick Adelman's previous seven seasons.

When the Kings signed Shareef Abdur-Rahim as a free agent this summer, it looked like a solid move that might allow the Kings to compensate for the absence of Chris Webber. Kings fans never really forgave Webber for not being the budding Hall of Famer he was before injuries robbed him of his explosiveness, but running the offense through Abdur-Rahim isn't the dangerous option that running it through Webber was.

Instead, it looks as if the cloud that has rained on Abdur-Rahim at each stop in his nine previous seasons — from Vancouver to Atlanta to Portland — has followed him to Sacramento.

Turner said Abdur-Rahim and Bonzi Wells, who came over in a summer trade for Bobby Jackson, have proven to be good teammates. Both, he said, are willing to share the ball.

Turner cautioned it is much too early to write off a team he still contends will be competitive enough to make the Western Conference playoffs.

He also is smart enough to know the Kings can't turn a cold shoulder to any player with talent, especially one who can shoot.

"Our margin of error is very slim," Turner said. "If Peja has a bad game, we don't have anybody to come off our bench. Not a scorer at least, like we've had in the past. ... We can't afford to have Peja and Mike out of a game at the same time."

Stojakovic's name keeps surfacing in Artest trade rumors, mostly because his salary is close enough to Artest's to render moot all those salary-cap considerations.

Kings officials insist they don't want to trade Stojakovic for Artest. Nevertheless, scenarios of three-way deals involving the Kings, Pacers and several other teams continue to circulate.

The more the Kings lose, the more likely it is one of them will come true.

mikemonroe@express-news.net

I wonder if this clown watched the same SA/kings game on Saturday that I did. I'm assuming he must have considering he's from san antonio.

I also disagree regarding the shooting. All 5 starters can consistently hit an open 20 footer. That's no secret. Bonzi isn't a great pull up shooter but if open and set, he'll nail it. Same with Sharif.

The biggest problem is inconsistency this year. The kings had played 5 solid, if not very good, games prior to Monday's stinker against the Bobcats.

Time will tell how good or bad this team will be.
 
The best diagnosis of the Kings I've seen this year. Sad but true and right to the point on every case. Real problem is bench and scorers off the bench. Even with Finley off bench for Spurs we came within 2.5 seconds of beating them.

So if Kevin starts for Bonzi, he can shoot the 3 and more controlled than Cisco. Hart's 3 has not been there and we have no idea what Price brings. And the Big 3 (Corliss, Thomas and Skinner) represent no 3's at all.

Monroe's input of checking with scouts is the worst part, that guarding Bibby and Peja is all that others need do to shut down the kings. Someone has to take over on the floor. A leader is needed.
 
I think this story is right on the money. It paints an accurate picture of where we are. Going nowhere fast.

Elston Turner sums it succinctly saying we have "slim margin for error". Our bench gives us nothing.

What we lack is a galvanizing force off the bench (read: Bobby Jackson) to get the ball to players in a position where they can be effective. Kenny Thomas was really productive last year, 14-8 stats wise I think, as was Skinner, and Mo Evans....b/c they would feed off the energy of the primary ball handler in the game.

B-Jaxx would not always get the assist....but he would make the pass that would lead to the pass for the assist. And something underestimated is a PG ability to get a team into its offense quickly...B-Jaxx did this.

Now we have J-Hart...and it just ain't working. Not only does he not make his fellow teammates better, he seems to makes them worse, b/c they lack confidence in his skills, and the chemistry is totally non-existent.

If Geoff doesn't want Artest for Peja....do a 3-way trade and send him to Nuggets for Nene and Earl Watson....write off this year as a lost cause...because it is....and hope Nene rehab goes well.
 
CruzDude said:
The best diagnosis of the Kings I've seen this year. Sad but true and right to the point on every case. Real problem is bench and scorers off the bench. Even with Finley off bench for Spurs we came within 2.5 seconds of beating them.

So if Kevin starts for Bonzi, he can shoot the 3 and more controlled than Cisco. Hart's 3 has not been there and we have no idea what Price brings. And the Big 3 (Corliss, Thomas and Skinner) represent no 3's at all.

Monroe's input of checking with scouts is the worst part, that guarding Bibby and Peja is all that others need do to shut down the kings. Someone has to take over on the floor. A leader is needed.


Are you sure you want to see Kevin shooting threes?

Not exactly the first option in Adelmans playbook just yet.

K-Mart first goal should be to have back-to-back productive games, which would be a first in his career. Forget about the three pointer, pick your spots to use your athleticism, and play smart like last game.
 
bench_blob said:
I think this story is right on the money. It paints an accurate picture of where we are. Going nowhere fast.

Elston Turner sums it succinctly saying we have "slim margin for error". Our bench gives us nothing.

What we lack is a galvanizing force off the bench (read: Bobby Jackson) to get the ball to players in a position where they can be effective. Kenny Thomas was really productive last year, 14-8 stats wise I think, as was Skinner, and Mo Evans....b/c they would feed off the energy of the primary ball handler in the game.

B-Jaxx would not always get the assist....but he would make the pass that would lead to the pass for the assist. And something underestimated is a PG ability to get a team into its offense quickly...B-Jaxx did this.

Now we have J-Hart...and it just ain't working. Not only does he not make his fellow teammates better, he seems to makes them worse, b/c they lack confidence in his skills, and the chemistry is totally non-existent.

If Geoff doesn't want Artest for Peja....do a 3-way trade and send him to Nuggets for Nene and Earl Watson....write off this year as a lost cause...because it is....and hope Nene rehab goes well.

B jax never played with thomas and mo that much... He was hurt remember? But I get your point.

This guy just nailed it on his approach with the kings... Everything is spot on... Why do I have this horrible feeling in my stomach that geoff is just gonna "stay pat" this season? I don't know why, but I just do... If he does stay pat, then I'm all for firing him... Hopefully that doesn't happen.
 
I don't think GP is going to stand-pat this season. I suspect that a trade will be done in the next few days. It would be nice to see Artest in a Kings uniform!! :D
 
cfechter said:
I wonder if this clown watched the same SA/kings game on Saturday that I did. I'm assuming he must have considering he's from san antonio.

I also disagree regarding the shooting. All 5 starters can consistently hit an open 20 footer. That's no secret. Bonzi isn't a great pull up shooter but if open and set, he'll nail it. Same with Sharif.

The biggest problem is inconsistency this year. The kings had played 5 solid, if not very good, games prior to Monday's stinker against the Bobcats.

Time will tell how good or bad this team will be.

Time HAS told how good this team is. They can win games if they get their act together and play a good game, but their just as likely to go out there and just surrender the game and not even try.

The Kings did play a good game against the Spurs. All 5 starters can score consistently. They even put together a nice stretch of games. But now they've turned flat again and will continue to lose. Which is about the definition of a chemistry problem, and exactly why the Kings shouldn't be afraid of trading for Artest.

Everything you are saying goes like this: the Kings have talent to win a lot of games, but just need to become more consistent. Which is what the writer is saying- but he goes further in stating the obvious that the Kings have horrid chemistry and can't win consistently with this unit. This team was about the worst chemistry of any team in recent memories, in that this team is not only losing because of lack of chemistry, but the team actually has talent enough to be good.
 
captain bill said:
but the team actually has talent enough to be good.

But not great.

And that right there is enough reason to start making moves. Its just patently dumb to set a goal or be satisfied with a 50 win team (and we are a LONG way form that right now, just best case) unless there is great hope for the future. Which there is not. So you make moves. And more moves. And you just keep on making them until at the very end of a long tunnel you can finally see the light of an elite team forming up. What you don't do is sit and wait and waste everybody's time. Build for a title, contend, then rebuild for atitle. But don't intentionally wallow in medioctrity because you're too cowardly to take chances.
 
Exactly brick... I'm all for going young and setting up for a team to be contenders 3-4 years down the road... Com on, lets be realistic... As much as I want a contending team right now, it aint gonna happen... And as much as I want artest, it aint gonna do much for our hopes THIS year.... I would still love to get him cause he's still relitively young... And I really wanna have some young up and coming guys on this team... Were gonna try- be that pretty weak of a try- to contend in these next couple of years, but were really gonna waste what we have... By the time a couple years pass by, we will not only have not won a title, but will have put ourselves in a strangle hold position cause we would have continued to pay our core and others around it and then having them too old to do anything for us... I rather just do a few trades for some younger guys and a few first round picks and see where we go from there... It couldn't hurt that much... Look at the position were in right now for gods sake...
 
kingsfan916 said:
Man our problem is the bench we need a good bench
Our biggest problem is that we have 5 zombies on the floor(outside of Bonzi). What team in ANY sport can win when they are lifeless?? We need a shot of adrenaline.
 
Bricklayer said:
But not great.

And that right there is enough reason to start making moves. Its just patently dumb to set a goal or be satisfied with a 50 win team (and we are a LONG way form that right now, just best case) unless there is great hope for the future. Which there is not. So you make moves. And more moves. And you just keep on making them until at the very end of a long tunnel you can finally see the light of an elite team forming up. What you don't do is sit and wait and waste everybody's time. Build for a title, contend, then rebuild for atitle. But don't intentionally wallow in medioctrity because you're too cowardly to take chances.
You still got to strike a happy medium. You don't make moves for the sake of making them or you become Isiah Thomas and end up like Knicks.

Making moves is great if they are the right moves. No point making a move for the sake of it.
 
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