StevenHW
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Vick signs a two-year contract with the Philadelphia Eagles.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938
Michael Vick signs with Eagles
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iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
im sure the eagles view it as insurance for mcnabb and possible trade bait if vick performs and behaves which i believe he will. He served his time and hopefully he is a better man for it.
**** the Eagles. I'll root for the Colts the next time they play.
Seriously.
Seriously.
I won't lose any sleep over it, I may even have fun rooting against them. But I've said all along that only a no-class organization would sign him, figured that would leave only the Raiders, I guess the Eagles are new members of that club.
SacKings7
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Say what you want about Vick, but if Artest gets second and third chances, then Vick deserves a second chance too.
Eagles now with the (former?)2 best rushing QB's in the league.
As for Superman's post, I'm no Eagles fan by any stretch, but I'd say Vick is more likely to see time at RB than WR, especially early in the season since Westbrook is injured I believe.
Eagles now with the (former?)2 best rushing QB's in the league.
As for Superman's post, I'm no Eagles fan by any stretch, but I'd say Vick is more likely to see time at RB than WR, especially early in the season since Westbrook is injured I believe.
GeraldWallace#3
Bench
Wow, some people just amaze me....I don't "support" Vick per se, but I will give the guy a chance, and I will still root for the Eagles even more so now. But really it's not like he killed a person, heck Ray Lewis killed a guy and is still a respected figure in this league.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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This is dissapointing.
I think Vick has erned himself a second chance, I just wish it was with a team that he could actually play quarterback for.
I dont like what he did... What he did was sick and extremely 'wierd' but he was the most exciting player in the league when he played, and I enjoy watching Michael Vick the athlete.
I think Vick has erned himself a second chance, I just wish it was with a team that he could actually play quarterback for.
I dont like what he did... What he did was sick and extremely 'wierd' but he was the most exciting player in the league when he played, and I enjoy watching Michael Vick the athlete.
kingsnation
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For once I say..... thanks goodness it's not the Cowboys.
haha! have fun Philly.
haha! have fun Philly.
Jechtsphere
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Good for him, hopefully he gets his life back on track and has truly learned the errors of his ways.
I hope he forgets about QB and trys out as WR or KR, I don't see a future as a starting QB to me.
I hope he forgets about QB and trys out as WR or KR, I don't see a future as a starting QB to me.
uolj
Starter
The report I heard this morning mentioned that he wants to put in effort to be good at quarterbacking, something he didn't really do before. He wants to study and practice a lot, not necessarily play in games right away.
We'll see how it goes, but I certainly don't have a problem with him getting back into the league and I'll still be rooting for the Eagles.
Edit: Remembered where I heard that: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/13/vick.eagles/index.html
We'll see how it goes, but I certainly don't have a problem with him getting back into the league and I'll still be rooting for the Eagles.
Edit: Remembered where I heard that: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/13/vick.eagles/index.html
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kennadog
Dog On It!
If a team wants to take him on, I have no problem with that. He served his time. If I was an Eagles fan, though, I wouldn't spend one dime on tickets or anything else. He has a right to work. I have a right not to pay for a job for him in the NFL. I'm sure most well, of course.
I haven't read or heard anything yet, that makes me feel he has any real remorse for what he deliberately did or for lying about to the feds.
Stallworth killed someone, too. A horrible tragedy due to stupidly poor judgement and I think the jail time was too short. But I respect him for immediately stopping, waiting for the police and accepting complete responsibility for what he did without any excuses. That takes real character and maturity. That's something Vick has not shown me.
I haven't read or heard anything yet, that makes me feel he has any real remorse for what he deliberately did or for lying about to the feds.
Stallworth killed someone, too. A horrible tragedy due to stupidly poor judgement and I think the jail time was too short. But I respect him for immediately stopping, waiting for the police and accepting complete responsibility for what he did without any excuses. That takes real character and maturity. That's something Vick has not shown me.
This is why I feel so strongly about Vick. I not only get the impression that he has no remorse, but I also get the impression that he feels he was singled out unfairly even though during the investigation he had every opportunity to cooperate and instead he held out while everyone around him made deals. If I actually felt he understood what he did was not just wrong but thoroughly disgustingly wrong then I would find it a little easier to swallow.
I get your point of view. I'm just not as willing to judge his remorse, or lack thereof. There's no arguing that what he was involved in was horrible, and the fact that he lied about it makes it worse. Please, no one misconstrue any of my comments as a lack of concern over his actions or the effect they had on other people and the public in general.
That said, it's been two years. He went to prison for his crimes, his sentence was longer than the others involved because a) he lied about it, and b) he bankrolled it. In my mind, two years is a long enough time to ponder over the course of one's life and resolve to turn it around. You may not think two years is long enough, but then when will it be long enough? Three? Four? Never? The fact that he has convinced Roger Goodell and Tony Dungy -- two people who have spent time with him and seriously considered whether he should be allowed back in the NFL -- that he is on the right path, and that they've endorsed him, that speaks volumes to me. And now, Andy Reid and Jeff Lurie, two more people who didn't take this lightly, have invited Vick to be a part of their organization.
And of course, none of this comes without conditions. Should Vick mess up again, in even the slightest way, I'm sure Goodell would pull his endorsement, and Dungy probably would, too. The contract the Eagles gave Vick is reportedly two years, $1.6 million for the first year guaranteed, and a team option for the second year at $5 million, non guaranteed. If, at any point he were to get in trouble or fail to represent the organization in a dignified and professional manner, he gets cut, and it doesn't cost the Eagles a ton of money. He knows this is his last chance, and there are indications all over the place that his new team has made that clear, including this contract.
I'm not saying that Vick is definitely remorseful, or that he has earned his way back into the NFL. By no means. But I'm willing to defer to the judgment of the very respectable and respected individuals who are closely involved in the situation. If Goodell and Dungy believe he's remorseful and deserving of one last chance to play in the NFL, then I can get on board with this. I love Goodell's conditional suspension program for Vick, because it places the ball solely in Vick's court: if he proves that he can be trusted, he'll be accepted back, but if he gives reason for doubt, then it's hasta.
And there's part of the problem.
What Michael Vick did was wrong. It shouldn't be compared to something anyone else did to either try and validate or minimize the situation.
The real point is that he's being given a second chance. I hope he makes the most of it.
kingsnation
All-Star
Honestly, even if Philly is advertising him as a possible WR/KR whatever.. if McNabb goes down with an injury at any point, can anyone honestly say Vick won't be their QB?
kennadog
Dog On It!
Superman: I certainly understand your point of view and I agree that he served his time and there are people who know him actually willing to conditionally give him a job back in the NFL.
He may have remorse now, but he certainly never meaningfully express in to the public. It sounded to me more like a "I'm sorry I got caught" kind of remorse. And I may be judging him wrongly. We really can only judge people by what we see them do. He can never go back and change what he did or how he responded to being caught. That behavior showed a lack of character all the way through to sentencing, to me.
I hope he has changed, for his sake and the sake of those that really care about him.
I'd like to see a lot of the ex-cons who committed more petty crimes get a second chance. Few people are willing to give them any job, landlords don't want to rent any kind of decent home to them and their familes/children suffer for it. But then fairness and justice in this country rarely work for the lower socioeconomic classes.
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He may have remorse now, but he certainly never meaningfully express in to the public. It sounded to me more like a "I'm sorry I got caught" kind of remorse. And I may be judging him wrongly. We really can only judge people by what we see them do. He can never go back and change what he did or how he responded to being caught. That behavior showed a lack of character all the way through to sentencing, to me.
I hope he has changed, for his sake and the sake of those that really care about him.
I'd like to see a lot of the ex-cons who committed more petty crimes get a second chance. Few people are willing to give them any job, landlords don't want to rent any kind of decent home to them and their familes/children suffer for it. But then fairness and justice in this country rarely work for the lower socioeconomic classes.
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Superman: I certainly understand your point of view and I agree that he served his time and there are people who know him actually willing to conditionally give him a job back in the NFL.
He may have remorse now, but he certainly never meaningfully express in to the public. It sounded to me more like a "I'm sorry I got caught" kind of remorse. And I may be judging him wrongly. We really can only judge people by what we see them do. He can never go back and change what he did or how he responded to being caught. That behavior showed a lack of character all the way through to sentencing, to me.
I hope he has changed, for his sake and the sake of those that really care about him.
I'd like to see a lot of the ex-cons who committed more petty crimes get a second chance. Few people are willing to give them any job, landlords don't want to rent any kind of decent home to them and their familes/children suffer for it. But then fairness and justice in this country rarely work for the lower socioeconomic classes.
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They showed a press conference with him this morning. I've been as hard on him as anyone on this board but today I saw something I hadn't truly seen before: remorse. He spoke about working with the humane society, he spoke about learning that despite how he grew up, etc. there is no excuse for the things he did and allowed, etc. It's worth watching.
I honestly think he gets it. And for that reason, I'm willing to wipe the slate clean. He made his mistake, he paid for it and now he truly seems to understand why it brought so much pain to so many people. If he learned that lesson and can, in fact, share it with others, that's about all I could hope for.
What it comes down to, unfortunately, is that they can't throw a football like Michael Vick can. The most talented people are always going to get second chances, and third and fourth chances, and so on. Athletes, coaches, salespeople, politicians, etc. Doesn't make it right, but it is the way things are.I'd like to see a lot of the ex-cons who committed more petty crimes get a second chance. Few people are willing to give them any job, landlords don't want to rent any kind of decent home to them and their familes/children suffer for it. But then fairness and justice in this country rarely work for the lower socioeconomic classes.
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Kingsgurl
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His 'work' with the Humane society was a taped interview on site (probably a PSA about dog fighting) Woopi doo.
As some of you (VF) might know, I had the pleasure of caring for one of his dogs after the bust. Sid, now named Hector and living in Minnesota as a Therapy dog, was heavily scarred, a 'winner' in Vicks program, which saved him from the cruel roads to death Vick used for those who did not fight well enough to win that day. I can't get the vision of the pool in Vicks backyard out of my head, nor the image of him laughing as the dogs died.
From BADRAPS blog, as quoted in this recent blog
http://cynography.blogspot.com/
From Donna, on the Bad Rap blog - You can read the whole thing here
http://badrap-blog.blogspot.com/2009/05/op-eds-on-vick-news.html
The little black dog with the white toes was one not so lucky as Sid/Hector, Uba and the rest, her body was unearthed on Vicks property along with the others.
Sid on his car ride home to my house.
If you look close, you can see he is missing a chunk of his tongue on the end (he also had broken teeth on that side) and you can barely see a not too well stitched up scar across his chest, one of many)
Him and my daughter
I met these dogs, I looked into their eyes. I can not and will not support anyone who could look into those eyes and laugh as they died.
Does he feel remorse now for the dogs he picked up and slammed, again and again, into the concrete, as their bones splintered and their insides turned to mush, for daring to 'shame' him by refusing to fight? Or is he just remorseful that he got caught?
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I understand your passions, KG, but I'm going to ask that we not turn this into a discussion or debate about what Vick did, any more than we allowed discussion or debate about what Kobe Bryant did (or didn't do)... not because I don't agree with what's being said but because this just isn't the right venue for the discussion.
I've also edited your post. Some of the details are simply too graphic for a family-friendly board.
I've also edited your post. Some of the details are simply too graphic for a family-friendly board.
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