Michael Gilchrist, the player I wanted:

Gotta love a guy who plays that hard all the time and with such passion. I think we will get that from Thomas as well though.
 
No offense intended toward Thomas Robinson, but I'm still in a little bit of a funk that we weren't able to draft Michael Gilchrist. I had been following his journey for such a long time, I felt we deserved to have him. Excuse my little fantasy world. However I ran across this article and video of him that puts in prespective why I liked him so much.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...letter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nba

MKG or Gerald Wallace?

now you will be up all night debating yourself.
 
Wait, are we talking about Kidd-Gilchrist vs. Wallace for the long term, starting in 2012-13, or are we talking about nineteen year-old Kidd-Gilchrist vs. nineteen year-old Wallace? Because those questions have different answers.

Second, what was I doing when Charlotte got rid of DJ Augustin?
 
Wait, are we talking about Kidd-Gilchrist vs. Wallace for the long term, starting in 2012-13, or are we talking about nineteen year-old Kidd-Gilchrist vs. nineteen year-old Wallace? Because those questions have different answers.

Second, what was I doing when Charlotte got rid of DJ Augustin?

Were talking about Bajaden's man crush on both.
 
I wanted Gilchrist too, but he was almost locked at #2 or #3. The one player that I lwished the Kings gambled on was Andre Drummond.
 
I'm pretty happy with TR at 5. Now last year there is a certain SF that plays for the Spurs...........&%$#@......................KB
 
I wanted Gilchrist too, but he was almost locked at #2 or #3. The one player that I lwished the Kings gambled on was Andre Drummond.

Drummond may turn out to be a good player. But you used the right word, "Gamble". In the draft you take gambles anywhere from 15 to 60, but at number 5, I just don't think you have that luxury. Maybe if your already a good team, and your at 5 because of injuries, but it your a bad team, I think you have to make sure you make a good pick. I really have nothing against Drummond other than his performance in highschool and his one year at UCONN. And yes, he did have his moment at UCONN, but they were few and far between.

Lets remember, he was compared equally with Anthony Davis coming into his first year of college, and I think its fair to say, that his performance came nowhere near that of Davis. I and many others questioned his desire and rightfully so. Desire is a tricky thing, but as one coach said, I'd rather have a player with too much desire, than a player with too little. Personally I hope he figures it out. He's loaded with talent, and if someone can find the off/on switch, he could be a good to great player.

Ultimately, he may end up being a better, or at least more valuabe player than Thomas Robinson. But, I think at least we know what were getting with Robinson, and with Drummond, you don't. Now if I were drafting say, 12th, and he was still there, then I would have taken a flyer on him. But not at five.
 
Drummond may turn out to be a good player. But you used the right word, "Gamble". In the draft you take gambles anywhere from 15 to 60, but at number 5, I just don't think you have that luxury. Maybe if your already a good team, and your at 5 because of injuries, but it your a bad team, I think you have to make sure you make a good pick. I really have nothing against Drummond other than his performance in highschool and his one year at UCONN. And yes, he did have his moment at UCONN, but they were few and far between.

Lets remember, he was compared equally with Anthony Davis coming into his first year of college, and I think its fair to say, that his performance came nowhere near that of Davis. I and many others questioned his desire and rightfully so. Desire is a tricky thing, but as one coach said, I'd rather have a player with too much desire, than a player with too little. Personally I hope he figures it out. He's loaded with talent, and if someone can find the off/on switch, he could be a good to great player.

Ultimately, he may end up being a better, or at least more valuabe player than Thomas Robinson. But, I think at least we know what were getting with Robinson, and with Drummond, you don't. Now if I were drafting say, 12th, and he was still there, then I would have taken a flyer on him. But not at five.

lotto potential player, hassan whiteside had alot of potential also but didn't pan out. wish he could've found his way with us but unfortunately he didn't.
 
Don't want to make a new thread but
No offense intended toward Thomas Robinson, but I'm still in a little bit of a funk that we weren't able to draft Andre Drummond. He is ready to play the role Robinson will be playing for a couple of years anyway. Yes, he can do only a few things offensively, but, man, can he do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgnhMxHznd0

He puts up some great numbers last night. 19 points, 10 rebs and 2 blocks. I saw him the other night on NBA TV against the Raptors and he looked pretty good for a rookie.
 
Don't want to make a new thread but
No offense intended toward Thomas Robinson, but I'm still in a little bit of a funk that we weren't able to draft Andre Drummond. He is ready to play the role Robinson will be playing for a couple of years anyway. Yes, he can do only a few things offensively, but, man, can he do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgnhMxHznd0

I know, I've been watching that and its scaring me. No matter how good TRob becomes, he cannot be as good as Drummond could be. If we missed on that one in a big way you could literally have missed/intentionally passed on having the league's best frontcourt for the next decade. The new Twin Towers. If the guy gets drafted ahead of you you just shrug and say what if. But when he is right there, when you work him out and then pass...that could be a franhcise altering regret. We'll see though.

But right now it seems like a lot of this rookie class is looking good in preseason. I mean almost everybody. Not sure I have seen that before. Davis looked good, Gilchrist, Drummond, Barnes, Lillard, TRob, Meyers, Beal, Henson, Barnes...the list just goes on. Waiters had a good game last time out. Its only preseason, but as of right now barely anybody has to feel disappointed.
 
I know, I've been watching that and its scaring me. No matter how good TRob becomes, he cannot be as good as Drummond could be. If we missed on that one in a big way you could literally have missed/intentionally passed on having the league's best frontcourt for the next decade. The new Twin Towers. If the guy gets drafted ahead of you you just shrug and say what if. But when he is right there, when you work him out and then pass...that could be a franhcise altering regret. We'll see though.

But right now it seems like a lot of this rookie class is looking good in preseason. I mean almost everybody. Not sure I have seen that before. Davis looked good, Gilchrist, Drummond, Barnes, Lillard, TRob, Meyers, Beal, Henson, Barnes...the list just goes on. Waiters had a good game last time out. Its only preseason, but as of right now barely anybody has to feel disappointed.

That fact that a lot of the rookies are looking good is surprising, but, then again, not really surprising. This class was considered by almost all scouts to be one of the deepest in years. No, there weren't any absolute superstars at the top of the class, except maybe Davis, but it was loaded with players that are just one notch below. If you were drafting anywhere in the top 20, you were guaranteed a good player unless your an idiot GM.

As for Drummond. I wish nothing but the best for him. But until I see him have 20 or 30 games of consistency under his belt, I'll withhold judgement. Believe me, no one rooted for him to be great in college more than I did. But for every good game he had, he'd have 5 or 6 bad ones where he just disappeared. As a GM, it had to give you ulcers to think about drafting him high. If he succeeds your a genius, but if he fails you look like an idiot for not listening to all the scouting reports.

I felt that an established team would be best for him, since he wouldn't have to prove anything right away. I also thought he could end up being a disastor for a young upcoming team that could ill afford a failure with a top five choice. I'll admit, he was probably hard to pass up.
 
I know, I've been watching that and its scaring me. No matter how good TRob becomes, he cannot be as good as Drummond could be. If we missed on that one in a big way you could literally have missed/intentionally passed on having the league's best frontcourt for the next decade. The new Twin Towers. If the guy gets drafted ahead of you you just shrug and say what if. But when he is right there, when you work him out and then pass...that could be a franhcise altering regret. We'll see though.

But right now it seems like a lot of this rookie class is looking good in preseason. I mean almost everybody. Not sure I have seen that before. Davis looked good, Gilchrist, Drummond, Barnes, Lillard, TRob, Meyers, Beal, Henson, Barnes...the list just goes on. Waiters had a good game last time out. Its only preseason, but as of right now barely anybody has to feel disappointed.

How can you seriously even attempt to make this assumption after one preseason game? Trob has no chance of attaining of reaching Drummond's potential? What the hell does that even mean?

People go nuts over Drummond because of his size and athleticism. He's not a skilled basketball player, his work ethic and motor have been questioned in his past, he has no offensive game to speak of, and his "defense" is hyped up because he uses his athleticism to make up for poor defensive positioning.

Trob has shown to essentially do the opposite of Drummond with the same athletic prowess (which is a good thing for us). Obviously, college performance doesn't mean much once we see these guys on an NBA floor, but I'd comfortably bet on Trob having a far more successful career than Drummond.
 
How can you seriously even attempt to make this assumption after one preseason game? Trob has no chance of attaining of reaching Drummond's potential? What the hell does that even mean?

People go nuts over Drummond because of his size and athleticism. He's not a skilled basketball player, his work ethic and motor have been questioned in his past, he has no offensive game to speak of, and his "defense" is hyped up because he uses his athleticism to make up for poor defensive positioning.

Trob has shown to essentially do the opposite of Drummond with the same athletic prowess (which is a good thing for us). Obviously, college performance doesn't mean much once we see these guys on an NBA floor, but I'd comfortably bet on Trob having a far more successful career than Drummond.

It means that if Drummond realizes his potential, TRob is a speedbump. The entire concern here is that through his first 3 games of preseason work Drummond has been flashing a LOT of that potential. If he's going to realize it, we = stupid. TRob can be good, and we still = stupid. The decision on Drummond in the draft was entirely about Drummond.
 
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It means that if Drummond realizes his potential, TRob is a speedbump. The entire concern here is that through his first 3 games of preseason work Drummond has been flashing a LOT of that potential. If he's going to realize it, we = stupid.

If Trob realizes his potential, we drafted an Amare offensive clone who loves to work, rebound, and play defense. I fail to see how that=us losing, even if Drummond realizes his potential.
 
If Trob realizes his potential, we drafted an Amare offensive clone who loves to work, rebound, and play defense. I fail to see how that=us losing, even if Drummond realizes his potential.

It's us losing because you are missing out on a much more impactful player. If you want to compare Trob to Amare, you should compare Drummond to Dwight. Amare is no slouch, but Dwight is in an entire different league when it comes to how his play makes his entire team much much better.
 
I personally would have went with Drummond. His interviews were very lack luster but his athleticism and potential are off the charts. If you look at it from a GM's perspective though, Robinson is the safe choice. No one will fault Petrie for picking him, if he has to look for another job the pick won't hurt him. Petrie picking Drummond and then having him go bust along with some of his trades would be terrible for his reputation. You drafted what many though would be the #2 pick with the #5. When our team is at the bottom of the barrel though... I don't mind going for the homerun.
 
I personally would have went with Drummond. His interviews were very lack luster but his athleticism and potential are off the charts. If you look at it from a GM's perspective though, Robinson is the safe choice. No one will fault Petrie for picking him, if he has to look for another job the pick won't hurt him. Petrie picking Drummond and then having him go bust along with some of his trades would be terrible for his reputation. You drafted what many though would be the #2 pick with the #5. When our team is at the bottom of the barrel though... I don't mind going for the homerun.

I don't disagree that the homerun is extremely tempting. I think if I were drafting at 9 or 10, I'd have a hard time passing on the potential of Drummond. But at number 5? Tough decision! Certainly one of those decisions a couple of years from now will be 100% in hindesight, positively or negatively. Scouts and GM's absolutely hate players like Drummond. They're teasers. I hate to speak negatively about him, because it appears I'm rooting against him, which I'm not.

Lets see if he can sustain what he's doing now through the exhibition season, and into the regular season. The question has never been whether he can put up good numbers every night. The question has been, will he? Does he have that fire inside him that Cousins has? Through highschool, and his one year of college, he's yet to prove that he has. His time is now!
 
I was anti-Drummond pre draft, and I'm anti-Drummond now.

Not because of who he is as a player, or his reds flags, but because of the team culture we have around these parts. The Kings SUCK, SUCK, SUCK at developing young players. If we had drafted him, there is no way he'd reach his potential, not with our FO, not with our crappy owners, not with our sub-mediocre coach.

T-Rob seems to have an insane work ethic, and is self motivated. He should do alright here, but a guy like Drummond? I dunno...And thats a knock on our franchise, not on Drummond.
 
I feel like we had this same conversation months ago and most people agreed that they were glad they didn't have to make the call. Drummond should be a fun one to follow throughout his career. I can say that I am glad we didn't pick him for one reason. With all the trash that gets posted about Jimmer... Imagine if our #5 pick would have been to gamble on Drummond and he showed poorly. I don't think I could handle the extra negativity ;)
 
I don't disagree that the homerun is extremely tempting. I think if I were drafting at 9 or 10, I'd have a hard time passing on the potential of Drummond. But at number 5? Tough decision! Certainly one of those decisions a couple of years from now will be 100% in hindesight, positively or negatively. Scouts and GM's absolutely hate players like Drummond. They're teasers. I hate to speak negatively about him, because it appears I'm rooting against him, which I'm not.

Lets see if he can sustain what he's doing now through the exhibition season, and into the regular season. The question has never been whether he can put up good numbers every night. The question has been, will he? Does he have that fire inside him that Cousins has? Through highschool, and his one year of college, he's yet to prove that he has. His time is now!
Don't want to start pre-draft debate but here's one thought. Let's talk team building. You have a great offensive center. Who you want to pair him with? A guy who doesn't need the ball but can be a real threat as a finisher offensively and a versatile (can guard both PF and C and a good shot-blocker) defender.
Btw is Amare the perfect teammate to Cousins

I was anti-Drummond pre draft, and I'm anti-Drummond now.
Not because of who he is as a player, or his reds flags, but because of the team culture we have around these parts. The Kings SUCK, SUCK, SUCK at developing young players...
Here's thought: who are those playerS. Tyreke, I give you, though it seems he didn't really work on his game until this summer. Who else? Cousins appear to be doing well and Kings now have Dwight's coach so Drummond should 've been fine.
 
I was anti-Drummond pre draft, and I'm anti-Drummond now.

Not because of who he is as a player, or his reds flags, but because of the team culture we have around these parts. The Kings SUCK, SUCK, SUCK at developing young players. If we had drafted him, there is no way he'd reach his potential, not with our FO, not with our crappy owners, not with our sub-mediocre coach.

T-Rob seems to have an insane work ethic, and is self motivated. He should do alright here, but a guy like Drummond? I dunno...And thats a knock on our franchise, not on Drummond.

I think what your saying without perhaps meaning to, is that Drummond might fail here because he's not self movitated. And thats precisely the problem with Drummond up to now. Cousins is developing just fine here, but mostly because he's self movitated. I will give Smart some credit for gaining Cousins trust, and giving him a direction to follow. But the truth is, Cousins or Robinson would flourish on any team because they want to be great players. They don't need a coach with an electric cattle prod. Its another reason I wanted Gilchrist. He doesn't need anyone to motivate him. Greatness comes from within, and not from anyone else. It may need guidance at times, but it doesn't need inspiration or a kick in the butt.
 
Don't want to start pre-draft debate but here's one thought. Let's talk team building. You have a great offensive center. Who you want to pair him with? A guy who doesn't need the ball but can be a real threat as a finisher offensively and a versatile (can guard both PF and C and a good shot-blocker) defender.
Btw is Amare the perfect teammate to Cousins

Here's thought: who are those playerS. Tyreke, I give you, though it seems he didn't really work on his game until this summer. Who else? Cousins appear to be doing well and Kings now have Dwight's coach so Drummond should 've been fine.

I don't disagree with your premise. But it does take us back to where we started pre-draft. No one denies Drummond's talent and his ability to be everything you just described. The question is and always has been, can he do what you described every night on a consistent basis? Once again, choosing him would have been a gamble for the Kings. Whether we should have taken that gamble is subjective up to this point.

It would be easy for me to root against him in order to justify my position pre-draft. But I'm not, and won't. I hope he succeeds, and if he does, I'll certainly regret passing on him. But as they say, hindesight is 100%. I won't gloat if he fails either. I wish failure on no one. Well, maybe a few politicians!
 
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