Miami interested in Dalembert:

Arkitect said:
The sad thing is that the trade is what Miami should do. They would be unstoppable. Of course hopefully we wouldn't be stupid enough to do that.
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How would Dalembert for Bosh be stupid of the Kings? Bosh is better than Dalembert and he's younger. Some of you act like Dalembert is prime Shaq or Dwight Howard. They'd be stupid not to do it. Not that Miami would do it anyways, they wouldn't. Bosh at PF and Cousins at C would be a great big-man tandem.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
How would Dalembert for Bosh be stupid of the Kings? Bosh is better than Dalembert and he's younger. Some of you act like Dalembert is prime Shaq or Dwight Howard. They'd be stupid not to do it. Not that Miami would do it anyways, they wouldn't. Bosh at PF and Cousins at C would be a great big-man tandem.
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If we only played basketball on one half of the court.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
How would Dalembert for Bosh be stupid of the Kings? Bosh is better than Dalembert and he's younger. Some of you act like Dalembert is prime Shaq or Dwight Howard. They'd be stupid not to do it. Not that Miami would do it anyways, they wouldn't. Bosh at PF and Cousins at C would be a great big-man tandem.
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Yeah, that team would struggle. Its not about staking up the most talented pieces. Dallas was NOT the most talented team in the playoffs. But they had pieces that fit together, and a big one was a 7'0" shotblocking/rebounding center who boarded over and frequently dominated that weenie Bosh.

We don't need more offense. And the last thing we need is a softish scorer type. What we need more of is precisely what Dalembert brings. Its basically what any winning team needs more of. Miami included.
 
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, that team would struggle. Its not about staking up the most talented pieces. Dallas was NOT the most talented team in the playoffs. But they had pieces that fit together, and a big one was a 7'0" shotblocking/rebounding center who boarded over and frequently dominated that weenie Bosh.

We don't need more offense. And the last thing we need is a softish scorer type. What we need more of is precisely what Dalembert brings. Its basically what any winning team needs more of. Miami included.
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Every team is different. Bosh is wasted in Miami because between James and Wade he hardly ever gets a shot. The lack of a decent center makes Bosh's job even harder. I'm not saying you take Bosh for the purpose of stockpiling talent. You take him because he's one of the better power forwards in the league and he'd improve the team. He shoots a high percentage on FG and FT. Bosh was one of the guys I hoped the Kings could sign last summer even though I knew the chances were slim and none.
 
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RookieOfTheDay said:
Every team is different. Bosh is wasted in Miami because between James and Wade he hardly ever gets a shot. The lack of a decent center makes Bosh's job even harder. I'm not saying you take Bosh for the purpose of stockpiling talent. You take him because he's one of the better power forwards in the league and he'd improve the team. He shoots a high percentage on FG and FT. Bosh was one of the guys I hoped the Kings could sign last summer even though I knew the chances were slim and none.
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I considered him as a possiblity. But he no longer has a role with Cousins in town.

When you get a big offensive big man the reliable play is to pair him with the great defensive big man. You put Chandler next to Dirk, and voila. Camby next to Aldridge. Noah next to Boozer.
 
Bricklayer said:
I considered him as a possiblity. But he no longer has a role with Cousins in town.

When you get a big offensive big man the reliable play is to pair him with the great defensive big man. You put Chandler next to Dirk, and voila. Camby next to Aldridge. Noah next to Boozer.
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What about Bynum next to Gasol? There's a bigman duo where both are offensive players.
 
Dally is already a pretty good partner with Cousins. He's not what is broke with the Kings chemistry. It cracks me up because nobody thought Chandler was worth much until they actually started watching playoff basketball and saw what controlling the boards and patrolling the paint does to help a team win in close games. Why did OKC go after another blah big man in Perkins? If you got one of these guys, you don't let them go so easy. Keep the core and add what you need.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
What about Bynum next to Gasol? There's a bigman duo where both are offensive players.
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Brick did a big man duo numbers comparison a while back. Bynum and Gasol were one of the best if not the best. But Cousins and Dally were not too far behind when they finally settled into regular minutes playing together after the break. Don't underestimate what you have.


And consider this, if Miami would do that deal of Dally for Bosh, the alarm bells should be very loud in your ears.
 
JB_kings said:
Brick did a big man duo numbers comparison a while back. Bynum and Gasol were one of the best if not the best. But Cousins and Dally were not too far behind when they finally settled into regular minutes playing together after the break. Don't underestimate what you have.


And consider this, if Miami would do that deal of Dally for Bosh, the alarm bells should be very loud in your ears.
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Big if. The fact is, there's no way they'd do that deal which tends to support my contention that Bosh>>>Dalembert. Bosh is a better shooter, a better passer, and nearly as good of a rebounder. The only thing Dalembert does significantly better is shot-block. I'm not saying Dalembert isn't valuable and it's not that I don't understand his importance. It's just that Bosh is a better player, plain and simple. Bosh can do more things to help you win games than Dalembert can. Dalembert could be the piece that could puts a contender over the top but on a rebuilding team like the Kings Bosh will help you more than Dalembert.
 
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I think if I was Miami I'd be talking to the Kings about Whiteside. He's a guy they can afford, he might be what they need, and if he bombs out, they have lost next to nothing.
 
Glenn said:
I think if I was Miami I'd be talking to the Kings about Whiteside. He's a guy they can afford, he might be what they need, and if he bombs out, they have lost next to nothing.
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But what could they give us for Whiteside that we'd want? A bunch of undersized bigs? Been there, done that.
 
Section 101 said:
It doesn't have to be a raise. He could extend at a lower number. There is just a max allowed over the current contract.
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I've read the CBA till I'm blue in the face, and I came to this conclusion because of the renogotiated contract rule. If they have a rule that you can't renogotiate a contract down, then why would they allow you to extend a contract down. I think what their trying to stop is a player thats, let say, making, 12 mil a year, agreeing to a paycut so the team can gain capspace to sign another player. Once the june 30th deadline has passed and the player becomes an unrestricted freeagent, then he's on the open market, and he can take a paycut if he wishes, but at least other teams have a chance to bid and try to convince him to sign with them.

But if your negotiating an extension before the june 30th deadline, other teams are not allowed to get involved, which is the entire reason for doing an extension. So my question to you would be. If your not allowed to renogotiate a contract downward, why would you be allowed to extend a contract downward? At least in the first year. It seems to me that the same rule would apply to both, for the same reason. I'll admit that the whole section on extensions is a little confusing.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
But what could they give us for Whiteside that we'd want? A bunch of undersized bigs? Been there, done that.
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i woudln't do any deals w/ miami unless it involved wade or lebron and thats not likely. i wouldn't help miami in anyway to reach their goal of a 'ship either. **** em
 
A couple posters brought up Daly going to Mia to chase a ring. Thing is, I don't think he's at the point yet where he'll take a huge paycut for a shot at a ring. He's at the point where he's looking at his last big contract. After that, then he can ring-chase for the vet minimum for a few years.
 
i wouldnt want any of the big 3 players the heat have.. and no its not hating. really james is overated. wade injury prone bosh is too soft.

they don't have any other bargaining chips for us. if they can part with chalmers a pick and pittman for dally. id still think about it... or chalmers joel anthony and a pick. first round.

paying dally 10 mil ofr 5 years is too much 7 to 8 mil is sounds about right.
 
jalfa said:
Not if your plan is to win a championship within the next five years. Because you can forget about that if you trade Dally for Miller.
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The Kings' championship window probably won't open for another three or four years, at least. Remember, Evens and Cousins are still really young cats. They won't even be into their primes for several more years. I know people want it faster than that but it's not realistic unless they make a huge trade, or Evans and Cousins both turn into perennial all-stars ahead of schedule. The Kings are about two years behind OKC in the rebuilding process and as we saw this year, OKC isn't ready to win a championship yet either. The Kings championship window will probably be 2015-2022 or so, assuming all works out as hoped with Evans/Cousins.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
The Kings' championship window probably won't open for another three or four years, at least. Remember, Evens and Cousins are still really young cats. They won't even be into their primes for several more years. I know people want it faster than that but it's not realistic unless they make a huge trade, or Evans and Cousins both turn into perennial all-stars ahead of schedule. The Kings are about two years behind OKC in the rebuilding process and as we saw this year, OKC isn't ready to win a championship yet either. The Kings championship window will probably be 2015-2022 or so, assuming all works out as hoped with Evans/Cousins.
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Which is all fine, but in those 5 years you have moved from lottery team ot perennial playoff team, and you are doing it right, building around defense and interior domination. Then one day if Daly starts getting old, you can shop around for a replacement with a system, an expectation, already in place.

That's infinitely superior to building a broken unbalanced team of chuckers while taking the attitude hey it doesn't matter because we aren't going to win a title this year. You need the winning tradition of playing right, the years of knocking on the door, before you get ready to close the deal.

P.S. as an aside Mike Miller is 31.
 
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rainmaker said:
A couple posters brought up Daly going to Mia to chase a ring. Thing is, I don't think he's at the point yet where he'll take a huge paycut for a shot at a ring. He's at the point where he's looking at his last big contract. After that, then he can ring-chase for the vet minimum for a few years.
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I think our chances to retain Dally bank on this. Hopefully GP/Maloofs are willing to pay up, maybe even overpay, to retain dally. The ideal contract would be as front loaded as possible, so that we wont have to worry about Dally becoming an untradable albatross should he get injured/fall off with age.
 
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